Parents: vaccinate or not?
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I'm sitting here watching The Doctors and there are some mothers who are just screaming against vaccinations. Just curious to ask the parents here how you feel on the subject.
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I've been hearing lately that there is a significant relationship between early vaccinations and autism. There is a large grassroots movement actively opposing the medical community because the shots are a big money maker and no one wants to look too closely at the data.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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Vaccinate, in my opinion. But you can request that the MMR (the one in debate) shot be broken into three distinct shots, instead of one whiz-bang do-it-all shot. Please discuss the entire issue in depth with your children's pediatrician so that you can make the choice with all the information you can. I've been following the debate/discussion on this very closely, so that I could determine what to do for my little ones as well. I had both little ones vaccinated, even with the MMR vaccination. The potential for complications from the diseases that the children could contract without the vaccinations are great. And since schools are beginning to see outbreaks of these diseases once again, I decided to protect my children from the diseases. One of the theories that I've read concerning the autism-link (and the link has been disproven supposedly, but who knows)is that there may be a gene whose expression is triggered either by the high fever that may result as a reaction to the vaccination, or perhaps by the combination of the three shots. The gene's expression might be triggered otherwise maybe not. Other studies say there is absolutely no link. What confuses it even more are the heartbreaking stories from parents who have even delayed the MMR shot, and then right after child's reaction to the shot, language never returns (which means the autism wasn't expressed during the usual 12 month to 2 year time span, but later, which defies the coincidental timing argument). It's difficult to make an informed decision. I tried to make mine on a logical basis, and not a knee-jerk emotional one, but some of the parents' stories are difficult to explain. I am mentioning these items not to claim to know oh-so-much, but to mention the different camps of thinking. I have to run to pick up my children, so I can't follow this thread until tomorrow, but I am very interested to hear others' opinions as well. Take care all. blueSprite
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I'm sitting here watching The Doctors and there are some mothers who are just screaming against vaccinations. Just curious to ask the parents here how you feel on the subject.
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
Disclaimer: I'm not a parent, but if I was I would definitely vaccinate. The supposed evidence against the MMR vaccine was one study that claimed to find evidence of measles RNA in autistic children's guts. In fact the study itself made no link to the MMR vaccine - it was a statement in a press conference by Andrew Wakefield who was only one of several authors of the study. Many attempts have been made, unsuccessfully, to replicate the results. Deeper investigation into the original results show that the key test result was probably due to contamination. Small amounts of DNA cannot be detected directly. To detect the presence of specific DNA, a process called polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used. If the starter sequence of DNA is present in the sample it will be multiplied exponentially by the PCR reaction where it can be picked up. This process does not work with viral RNA, so it has to be converted to DNA using an enzyme called Reverse Transcriptase before PCR can be done. To check that your results are correct, a control PCR test is done before adding the reverse transcriptase. The control test showed the presence of measles DNA where none should have been found, because the operation to convert the RNA to DNA hadn't yet been done. It was a completely false positive result. The entire rest of it has been media scaremongering.
"Multithreading is just one damn thing after, before, or simultaneous with another." - Andrei Alexandrescu
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I've been hearing lately that there is a significant relationship between early vaccinations and autism. There is a large grassroots movement actively opposing the medical community because the shots are a big money maker and no one wants to look too closely at the data.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
There's a significant number of ignorant parents and journalists who know nothing about science. Read http://www.badscience.net/[^].
"Multithreading is just one damn thing after, before, or simultaneous with another." - Andrei Alexandrescu
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Vaccinate, in my opinion. But you can request that the MMR (the one in debate) shot be broken into three distinct shots, instead of one whiz-bang do-it-all shot. Please discuss the entire issue in depth with your children's pediatrician so that you can make the choice with all the information you can. I've been following the debate/discussion on this very closely, so that I could determine what to do for my little ones as well. I had both little ones vaccinated, even with the MMR vaccination. The potential for complications from the diseases that the children could contract without the vaccinations are great. And since schools are beginning to see outbreaks of these diseases once again, I decided to protect my children from the diseases. One of the theories that I've read concerning the autism-link (and the link has been disproven supposedly, but who knows)is that there may be a gene whose expression is triggered either by the high fever that may result as a reaction to the vaccination, or perhaps by the combination of the three shots. The gene's expression might be triggered otherwise maybe not. Other studies say there is absolutely no link. What confuses it even more are the heartbreaking stories from parents who have even delayed the MMR shot, and then right after child's reaction to the shot, language never returns (which means the autism wasn't expressed during the usual 12 month to 2 year time span, but later, which defies the coincidental timing argument). It's difficult to make an informed decision. I tried to make mine on a logical basis, and not a knee-jerk emotional one, but some of the parents' stories are difficult to explain. I am mentioning these items not to claim to know oh-so-much, but to mention the different camps of thinking. I have to run to pick up my children, so I can't follow this thread until tomorrow, but I am very interested to hear others' opinions as well. Take care all. blueSprite
The link has not just been disproven but was never proven in the first place. The initial study, never successfully replicated, has been re-analyzed and the lab that performed the tests audited. It appears that there was contamination of measles DNA in the lab (measles, being a virus, is only found as RNA in the wild). Ironically because of the continuous negative publicity, there have been a very large number of studies performed, finding no link, making this now one of the safer results in medicine.
"Multithreading is just one damn thing after, before, or simultaneous with another." - Andrei Alexandrescu
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I'm sitting here watching The Doctors and there are some mothers who are just screaming against vaccinations. Just curious to ask the parents here how you feel on the subject.
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
human race wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for vaccinations
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I'm sitting here watching The Doctors and there are some mothers who are just screaming against vaccinations. Just curious to ask the parents here how you feel on the subject.
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
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There's a significant number of ignorant parents and journalists who know nothing about science. Read http://www.badscience.net/[^].
"Multithreading is just one damn thing after, before, or simultaneous with another." - Andrei Alexandrescu
No doubt about that, but there's an awful lot of fake science being done that is taken seriously - ddt, saccharine, global warming - all in the name of ideology or big money. Pharmaceutical companies, and the doctors they pay to tout their products, are above that sort of thing in exactly the same way that fish are above the sky.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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I'm sitting here watching The Doctors and there are some mothers who are just screaming against vaccinations. Just curious to ask the parents here how you feel on the subject.
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
If I had a child I'd vaccinate, MMR and all. Not to do so is irresponsible.
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I'm sitting here watching The Doctors and there are some mothers who are just screaming against vaccinations. Just curious to ask the parents here how you feel on the subject.
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
Vaccinate. Even if the arguments against vaccination were valid (and I don't believe they are), the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks.
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I've been hearing lately that there is a significant relationship between early vaccinations and autism. There is a large grassroots movement actively opposing the medical community because the shots are a big money maker and no one wants to look too closely at the data.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
You should've been hearing it since '98 :) And apparently there is always some who wants to look closely at the data. Clicky[^]
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What would be the reasons not to? Are parents concerned about the side-effects?
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I've read that some people are blaiming Autism on vaccinations. I think that's a bunch of horse- puckey myself. X| I think they're crazy to not vaccinate their children.
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I'm sitting here watching The Doctors and there are some mothers who are just screaming against vaccinations. Just curious to ask the parents here how you feel on the subject.
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
Not only vaccinate but make sure they play in the dirt regularly so they build up a proper immune system. There are far too many "bubble babies" these days -- kids that are so doted over and over-protected that they have virtually no resistance to anything.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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I'm sitting here watching The Doctors and there are some mothers who are just screaming against vaccinations. Just curious to ask the parents here how you feel on the subject.
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
Vaccinate. Leah (4 months old) has had four shots now and has two more to go.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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So long as there are good statistics showing their effectiveness then definitely, I'll get 'em (and so will my kid). I just run an elecromagnet over the injection site to kill the tracking chip, so all is good :) Cheers, Drew.
Drew Stainton wrote:
I just run an elecromagnet over the injection site to kill the tracking chip, so all is good Smile
That's OK. Their DNA waste-water tracking system will still work...
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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No doubt about that, but there's an awful lot of fake science being done that is taken seriously - ddt, saccharine, global warming - all in the name of ideology or big money. Pharmaceutical companies, and the doctors they pay to tout their products, are above that sort of thing in exactly the same way that fish are above the sky.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Roger Wright wrote:
No doubt about that, but there's an awful lot of fake science being done that is taken seriously - ddt, saccharine, global warming ...
How is global warming fake science ? Global warming and cooling periods have occurred naturally for millions of years. There is no doubt that we are currently in a period of global warming. The question that is still debated is how much of it if any is caused by humans. Most scientists agree that humans are at least partly to blame for speeding up the rate of global warming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming[^]
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Drew Stainton wrote:
I just run an elecromagnet over the injection site to kill the tracking chip, so all is good Smile
That's OK. Their DNA waste-water tracking system will still work...
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Not only vaccinate but make sure they play in the dirt regularly so they build up a proper immune system. There are far too many "bubble babies" these days -- kids that are so doted over and over-protected that they have virtually no resistance to anything.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
My parents let me eat a shongololo when I was a kid. If anything it only made me stronger, I rarely get sick. I hope Leah eats her shongololo one day. I don't want a bubble-baby.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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My parents let me eat a shongololo when I was a kid. If anything it only made me stronger, I rarely get sick. I hope Leah eats her shongololo one day. I don't want a bubble-baby.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
I'm almost afraid to ask but ... what is shongololo? Please don't tell me, you ate millipedes.
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Roger Wright wrote:
No doubt about that, but there's an awful lot of fake science being done that is taken seriously - ddt, saccharine, global warming ...
How is global warming fake science ? Global warming and cooling periods have occurred naturally for millions of years. There is no doubt that we are currently in a period of global warming. The question that is still debated is how much of it if any is caused by humans. Most scientists agree that humans are at least partly to blame for speeding up the rate of global warming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming[^]
I don't doubt the cyclic nature of climate; it's the human influence I find little evidence to support. When I was growing up we were in imminent danger of facing another global ice age, but the media wasn't quite as noisy back then. Both predictions are based on the same dubious data. What we need to focus on is learning to cope with inevitable variations in climate. Any dreams of influencing it is pure arrogance multiplied by presumption; we're not significant enough for Earth to notice.
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