Blu-ray slowly dying
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harold aptroot wrote:
Blue-ray is slowly dying
Yeah right, and it's being replaced with? Blu-ray is the only HD movie solution available today. I'd say that it's slowly emerging, not dying. Now when I go to Blockbuster, I first try to rent the movies on Blu-ray if they're available. Unfortunately many times they're rented out and I end up having to rent the DVD.
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There are BluRay players going on sale on Black Friday for less than $200. Just an FYI.
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again, 1080p DVD player: $60 bought one today
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Last year we got an HDTV and a $400 upsampling DVD player. The picture was absolute crap. We replaced the $400 DVD player with a $400 PS3 and WOW, what a difference! The PS3 upsamples SD DVDs amazingly well but they pale in comparison to a Blu-Ray movie. I have to whole-heartedly disagree with the "article". Saying upsampling DVD players will kill Blu-Ray is like saying Daewoo is going to kill Chevrolet.
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THANK YOU! Our first BR was a PS3; we got the 1st generation (20 GB) that is backwards compatible. That is one reason I said that Blu Ray would win-- you had serious gamers who now had a BR player and a free movie. They did the same thing in Europe (a free movie) when released there. People have to also realize they have to calibrate their higher end TVs to make it look the best possible. All I saw in the "article" is that he feels the entire process is too expensive. I live in the middle of nowhere, USA, and two of the three Wal-Marts have special Blu-Ray section. When major movies are released (like Iron Man) they actually move them to the front of the store.
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I totally disagree with you. First, I predicted almost two years ago that BluRay would win over HD-DVD. I was right on that one. Even Wal-Mart has a BluRay section for movies. I was right before and I'm correct on this.
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leckey wrote:
First, I predicted almost two years ago that BluRay would win over HD-DVD.
You correctly predicted the failure of one format. Even if you're wrong about the failure of another one, you'd still have a 50% accuracy rate WRT predicting movie format failures. Nothing to feel bad about.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Last year we got an HDTV and a $400 upsampling DVD player. The picture was absolute crap. We replaced the $400 DVD player with a $400 PS3 and WOW, what a difference! The PS3 upsamples SD DVDs amazingly well but they pale in comparison to a Blu-Ray movie. I have to whole-heartedly disagree with the "article". Saying upsampling DVD players will kill Blu-Ray is like saying Daewoo is going to kill Chevrolet.
My mind is like an aluminum trap. Some things get caught in the trap, and some things bend the trap and get away.
In the mass market, though, the key word is 1080p. If people can buy something that does 1080p for $60 vs. $200+, most of them will pick the $60 one. The quality of picture is irrelevent to them - it's what they think they'll get that matters. Keep in mind that most people have no idea what Blu-Ray gives them. In the last year, for instance, I've replaced RCA video cables on hi def equipment of relatives. They get the stuff based on "It's 1080p" and then hook it up with the stuff they've currently got. And then get all excited about the great picture they have, when really it's no different than before. Most people don't know anything about all this stuff and just go with what they're told is good, so long as it's cheap. I don't think Blu-Ray is anywhere close to dead, but I think it's adoption rate is slow because of cheap alternatives, despite the fact that they aren't nearly as good. Cheers, Drew.
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There are BluRay players going on sale on Black Friday for less than $200. Just an FYI.
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
Newly released DVD: $15 Newly released Blue-ray: $30
Todd Smith
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According to http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=365[^] Blue-ray is slowly dying And so is its DRM with it! ps: i don't know what went wrong with the original post?
harold aptroot wrote:
Blue-ray is slowly dying
as others have said... according to one blog? Nobody bothered to explain this to you: "There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics." One of the terrible things about statistics over sales is you can read anything into it you want. BluRay is doing as good as HD was when it came out. HD overall is still gaining. BluRay has not taken over yet, but it is still growing. And HD-DVD is not dezombifying.
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In the mass market, though, the key word is 1080p. If people can buy something that does 1080p for $60 vs. $200+, most of them will pick the $60 one. The quality of picture is irrelevent to them - it's what they think they'll get that matters. Keep in mind that most people have no idea what Blu-Ray gives them. In the last year, for instance, I've replaced RCA video cables on hi def equipment of relatives. They get the stuff based on "It's 1080p" and then hook it up with the stuff they've currently got. And then get all excited about the great picture they have, when really it's no different than before. Most people don't know anything about all this stuff and just go with what they're told is good, so long as it's cheap. I don't think Blu-Ray is anywhere close to dead, but I think it's adoption rate is slow because of cheap alternatives, despite the fact that they aren't nearly as good. Cheers, Drew.
Drew Stainton wrote:
In the mass market, though, the key word is 1080p. If people can buy something that does 1080p for $60 vs. $200+, most of them will pick the $60 one. The quality of picture is irrelevent to them - it's what they think they'll get that matters.
In a struggling economy the key is cost. but technology advances over time, just as dvd replaced vcrs, eventually bluray will replace dvds. 1080p via upsample is a temporary trend, not a permanent one.
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Al Beback wrote:
Yeah right, and it's being replaced with?
Near as i can tell, YouTube. Oh, the irony...
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
Near as i can tell, YouTube. Oh, the irony...
YouTube doesn't look that great on a 70" HDTV. :-)
"When you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more." -- John McCain in 2000, on his vote against lowering the top tax rate from 39% to Bush's proposed 35%.
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Shog9 wrote:
Near as i can tell, YouTube. Oh, the irony...
YouTube doesn't look that great on a 70" HDTV. :-)
"When you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more." -- John McCain in 2000, on his vote against lowering the top tax rate from 39% to Bush's proposed 35%.
Al Beback wrote:
YouTube doesn't look that great on a 70" HDTV.
It looks even worse on the smaller-but-higher-resolution laptop screen. And yet...
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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According to http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=365[^] Blue-ray is slowly dying And so is its DRM with it! ps: i don't know what went wrong with the original post?
Yeah, what blu-ray advocates don't seem to understand is that while yes, the picture is nicer than DVD or upsampling DVD players, I still contend that DVD is good enough and that's why people aren't eager to switch. What contends with blu-ray? The NEXT generation of video formats and players. I contend that blu-ray will see anemic adoption and be quickly replaced by the next thing - whether that's video over the internet, or some next-gen hi-def format not massively crippled by DRM and that offers some OTHER compelling feature besides a nicer picture - a huge improvement in user experience. "Yeah but it's so beautiful!" is not a selling point to 95% of consumers. Price versus features is; user experience is. A nicer picture offers absolutely zero in terms of increased value over a regular DVD, when DVD's picture is considered "good enough." And the PS3 itself is barely keeping up. Doing well enough probably to be described as "selling well", but still way, way below the XBox and Wii numbers, precisely because the XBox and Wii offer a superior user experience - XBox with XBox Live, and the Wii with the Wiimote. Sony has earned itself a reputation for overpriced crap and unfortunately I suspect that's influencing how well blu-ray does as well. Sony's insistence that it be marked as "SONY Blu-ray" is working against it because these days, it seems almost cool to say you're NOT using a Sony product. I have no intention of ever buying a blu-ray player or disc, unless Sony wants to replace my DVD collection for free. I'll not be duped into incredibly irresponsible consumerism just for "the next big thing." And I suspect most consumers are equally savvy, believe it or not.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Blue-ray is slowly dying
as others have said... according to one blog? Nobody bothered to explain this to you: "There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics." One of the terrible things about statistics over sales is you can read anything into it you want. BluRay is doing as good as HD was when it came out. HD overall is still gaining. BluRay has not taken over yet, but it is still growing. And HD-DVD is not dezombifying.
El Corazon wrote:
And HD-DVD is not dezombifying.
Sorry if I'm being dense, but what does that mean? I wouldn't bet the farm on the company that sponsored the Beta format, which was also technologically superior to VHS; until they get the pricing right it's going to be an uphill battle.
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Last year we got an HDTV and a $400 upsampling DVD player. The picture was absolute crap. We replaced the $400 DVD player with a $400 PS3 and WOW, what a difference! The PS3 upsamples SD DVDs amazingly well but they pale in comparison to a Blu-Ray movie. I have to whole-heartedly disagree with the "article". Saying upsampling DVD players will kill Blu-Ray is like saying Daewoo is going to kill Chevrolet.
My mind is like an aluminum trap. Some things get caught in the trap, and some things bend the trap and get away.
FyreWyrm wrote:
s like saying Daewoo is going to kill Chevrolet
Chevy doesn't need any help killing itself ;) Half the Chevys on the road here are re-badged Daewoos.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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THANK YOU! Our first BR was a PS3; we got the 1st generation (20 GB) that is backwards compatible. That is one reason I said that Blu Ray would win-- you had serious gamers who now had a BR player and a free movie. They did the same thing in Europe (a free movie) when released there. People have to also realize they have to calibrate their higher end TVs to make it look the best possible. All I saw in the "article" is that he feels the entire process is too expensive. I live in the middle of nowhere, USA, and two of the three Wal-Marts have special Blu-Ray section. When major movies are released (like Iron Man) they actually move them to the front of the store.
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
The thing is that there are very few movies where I'd feel I'd really benefit from BluRay over upsampling. Some sci-fi blockbusters like IronMan or Star Wars or something that got major award for cinematography. But for everything else, I just don't see the point. I am not going to pay double the price for a movie unless I get some real benefits. And as the spec-savers ad over here says there is no point getting an HD TV unless you have HD eyes. I'm sure there are some people that will pay for the benefits that BluRay gives them, but I don't feel I'm one of them. I'm just sticking with the dominant format because that's where the competition to supply is and I'll get a better deal there.
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Yeah, what blu-ray advocates don't seem to understand is that while yes, the picture is nicer than DVD or upsampling DVD players, I still contend that DVD is good enough and that's why people aren't eager to switch. What contends with blu-ray? The NEXT generation of video formats and players. I contend that blu-ray will see anemic adoption and be quickly replaced by the next thing - whether that's video over the internet, or some next-gen hi-def format not massively crippled by DRM and that offers some OTHER compelling feature besides a nicer picture - a huge improvement in user experience. "Yeah but it's so beautiful!" is not a selling point to 95% of consumers. Price versus features is; user experience is. A nicer picture offers absolutely zero in terms of increased value over a regular DVD, when DVD's picture is considered "good enough." And the PS3 itself is barely keeping up. Doing well enough probably to be described as "selling well", but still way, way below the XBox and Wii numbers, precisely because the XBox and Wii offer a superior user experience - XBox with XBox Live, and the Wii with the Wiimote. Sony has earned itself a reputation for overpriced crap and unfortunately I suspect that's influencing how well blu-ray does as well. Sony's insistence that it be marked as "SONY Blu-ray" is working against it because these days, it seems almost cool to say you're NOT using a Sony product. I have no intention of ever buying a blu-ray player or disc, unless Sony wants to replace my DVD collection for free. I'll not be duped into incredibly irresponsible consumerism just for "the next big thing." And I suspect most consumers are equally savvy, believe it or not.
Patrick Etc. wrote:
"Yeah but it's so beautiful!" is not a selling point to 95% of consumers. Price versus features is; user experience is. A nicer picture offers absolutely zero in terms of increased value over a regular DVD, when DVD's picture is considered "good enough."
Yup. Remember LaserDiscs? Hung around for years, but never managed to put a serious dent in the VHS market. And frankly, LD probably had more advantages over VHS than BluRay has over DVD.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Patrick Etc. wrote:
"Yeah but it's so beautiful!" is not a selling point to 95% of consumers. Price versus features is; user experience is. A nicer picture offers absolutely zero in terms of increased value over a regular DVD, when DVD's picture is considered "good enough."
Yup. Remember LaserDiscs? Hung around for years, but never managed to put a serious dent in the VHS market. And frankly, LD probably had more advantages over VHS than BluRay has over DVD.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
Remember LaserDiscs?
I loved LaserDisks! I still have a box of, maybe, 50 disks up in the attic along with my old Sony LD player. I wore one player out, I used it so much. I just ran up to riffle through my collection and found a whole bunch of movies that I haven't seen in years. I've been looking for one of them on DVD for a long time - Linda Ronstadt and Nelson Riddle - and doubt if it will ever be re-released, but it's one of my favorites. It's a hoot to drag the old player out once in a while just to see if it still works, and watch some old disks on it. The disks are just hilarious! Bigger than an old vinyl LP album and two or three times as thick. Just looking at one makes me chuckle :laugh: Double-sided, and only one hour per side. At the time, these were state of the art. Now they are just absurd! Thanks for bringing back all those great memories, Shog9
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FyreWyrm wrote:
s like saying Daewoo is going to kill Chevrolet
Chevy doesn't need any help killing itself ;) Half the Chevys on the road here are re-badged Daewoos.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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I wouldn't know, I'm a Ford guy. Having said that though, I'm pretty sure our next car will be a Nissan.
My mind is like an aluminum trap. Some things get caught in the trap, and some things bend the trap and get away.
350Z or GT-R? ;)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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350Z or GT-R? ;)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.