Just bought 1998 Honda CRV to battle what ever Canadian winter has to offer. [modified]
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-45 Degree centigrade, Wind chill 2500 , Wind speed 50 gusitng to 80 KMPH and 24 inch Snow of various forms has to be handeled. So I bought Honda Crv-1998 with 4*4 drive, with abs . Every thing Seems to work. What do you think about the choice. PS: I hate blowing snow and black ice and gusting winds- when you can not tell it is day or night without the help of an watch.
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
modified on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:10 AM
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-45 Degree centigrade, Wind chill 2500 , Wind speed 50 gusitng to 80 KMPH and 24 inch Snow of various forms has to be handeled. So I bought Honda Crv-1998 with 4*4 drive, with abs . Every thing Seems to work. What do you think about the choice. PS: I hate blowing snow and black ice and gusting winds- when you can not tell it is day or night without the help of an watch.
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
modified on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:10 AM
keencomputer wrote:
What do you think about the choice.
A good choice you've made. We had a Honda CRV that made it through our mountain winters (though it doesn't get to -45 Celsius here, we do get on average 140" of snow per winter) and it did very well.
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-45 Degree centigrade, Wind chill 2500 , Wind speed 50 gusitng to 80 KMPH and 24 inch Snow of various forms has to be handeled. So I bought Honda Crv-1998 with 4*4 drive, with abs . Every thing Seems to work. What do you think about the choice. PS: I hate blowing snow and black ice and gusting winds- when you can not tell it is day or night without the help of an watch.
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
modified on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:10 AM
I think you'll struggle to plough through 2' deep snow with it!! Other than that they aren't a bad car... Chew through the tyres though being constant all wheel drive...
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-45 Degree centigrade, Wind chill 2500 , Wind speed 50 gusitng to 80 KMPH and 24 inch Snow of various forms has to be handeled. So I bought Honda Crv-1998 with 4*4 drive, with abs . Every thing Seems to work. What do you think about the choice. PS: I hate blowing snow and black ice and gusting winds- when you can not tell it is day or night without the help of an watch.
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
modified on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:10 AM
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-45 Degree centigrade, Wind chill 2500 , Wind speed 50 gusitng to 80 KMPH and 24 inch Snow of various forms has to be handeled. So I bought Honda Crv-1998 with 4*4 drive, with abs . Every thing Seems to work. What do you think about the choice. PS: I hate blowing snow and black ice and gusting winds- when you can not tell it is day or night without the help of an watch.
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
modified on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:10 AM
Good choice. When I lived in a place where it snowed - 9' in one weekend - I got through with a Toyota Tercel and good chains. They used to make a chain called "IceBreakers" which had 'V' shaped pieces of steel on the crosslinks. Luckily, they faced outward when I installed them correctly. And they worked like a charm, even on black ice. Find them, get them, use them. I pulled many a 4WD truck out of a sticky (or slippery) spot with my little Tercel, thanks to those chains. A lot of folks think 4WD makes them invincible, but it just ain't true. The simple fact is that, if the ice patch is longer than your wheelbase, you're screwed unless you can break the ice. The right chains make a lot of difference. Congrats on the new toy - it was a great choice. But give it the advantage it deserves, and have a safe winter. Meanwhile, here in the desert, I'll be tanning in February and thinking of you... :-D
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Good choice. When I lived in a place where it snowed - 9' in one weekend - I got through with a Toyota Tercel and good chains. They used to make a chain called "IceBreakers" which had 'V' shaped pieces of steel on the crosslinks. Luckily, they faced outward when I installed them correctly. And they worked like a charm, even on black ice. Find them, get them, use them. I pulled many a 4WD truck out of a sticky (or slippery) spot with my little Tercel, thanks to those chains. A lot of folks think 4WD makes them invincible, but it just ain't true. The simple fact is that, if the ice patch is longer than your wheelbase, you're screwed unless you can break the ice. The right chains make a lot of difference. Congrats on the new toy - it was a great choice. But give it the advantage it deserves, and have a safe winter. Meanwhile, here in the desert, I'll be tanning in February and thinking of you... :-D
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Are those chains legit on highway? Can I order them from Pepboys?
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
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-45 Degree centigrade, Wind chill 2500 , Wind speed 50 gusitng to 80 KMPH and 24 inch Snow of various forms has to be handeled. So I bought Honda Crv-1998 with 4*4 drive, with abs . Every thing Seems to work. What do you think about the choice. PS: I hate blowing snow and black ice and gusting winds- when you can not tell it is day or night without the help of an watch.
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
modified on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:10 AM
WOW! Average British Winter... Sometimes falls below 0c for three days on the trot. Has been known for snow to lay on the ground for nearly a week. (Deep snow too, sometimes 2 or 3 inches!) (Also this causes the entire country to be paralysed by bad/inexperienced drivers struggling) Had a storm once.
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-45 Degree centigrade, Wind chill 2500 , Wind speed 50 gusitng to 80 KMPH and 24 inch Snow of various forms has to be handeled. So I bought Honda Crv-1998 with 4*4 drive, with abs . Every thing Seems to work. What do you think about the choice. PS: I hate blowing snow and black ice and gusting winds- when you can not tell it is day or night without the help of an watch.
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
modified on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:10 AM
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WOW! Average British Winter... Sometimes falls below 0c for three days on the trot. Has been known for snow to lay on the ground for nearly a week. (Deep snow too, sometimes 2 or 3 inches!) (Also this causes the entire country to be paralysed by bad/inexperienced drivers struggling) Had a storm once.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
(Also this causes the entire country to be paralysed by bad/inexperienced drivers struggling)
That is annoying when it is raining hard as it takes me twice as long to get home. I dont understand why drivers half their speed in the rain, ease up on the speed but dont cut it in half.
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-45 Degree centigrade, Wind chill 2500 , Wind speed 50 gusitng to 80 KMPH and 24 inch Snow of various forms has to be handeled. So I bought Honda Crv-1998 with 4*4 drive, with abs . Every thing Seems to work. What do you think about the choice. PS: I hate blowing snow and black ice and gusting winds- when you can not tell it is day or night without the help of an watch.
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
modified on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:10 AM
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Are those chains legit on highway? Can I order them from Pepboys?
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
It depends on where you live. Some places require chains, other ban them from their roads. I don't know if Pepboys has them, since I';ve never lived clsoe enough to one to see what they carry, but if they do, they'll know whaether they're legal where you live.
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I think you'll struggle to plough through 2' deep snow with it!! Other than that they aren't a bad car... Chew through the tyres though being constant all wheel drive...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Chew through the tyres though being constant all wheel drive
:confused: My Subaru WRX is all time all wheel drive and I've driven it like I stole it for 6 years and we only had to replace our first set of tires a few months ago. Technically speaking wouldn't a powered wheel have less friction and wear than an unpowered wheel that is simply being dragged along for the ride?
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Sounds good, but are you allowed to mix KMPH and inches in Canada? Judging from your signature, your anonymizer is on the fritz, and they could find you! ;P
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RichardM1 wrote:
Sounds good, but are you allowed to mix KMPH and inches in Canada?
Yes absolutely. We have a very mixed adherence to the metric system. Go into a grocery store and every liquid product in a bottle or a jar is labelled in Milliliters or liters but solid things like stewed tomatoes also have ounces printed. Then go into the fruit and veggie section and everything is listed in price per pound with (optionally and about half the time) a very fine print of the price in kilograms. Then go into the "bulk food" section with the dried nuts and spices in bulk or the deli section where they slice ham to order and everything is listed in prices per 100grams. In the winter everyone refers to the temperature in celcius because it makes intuitive sense but in the summer when it's really hot many people 40 plus years old refer to it in fahrenheit. Ask anyone their weight and they will tell you in pounds and their height in feet and inches. Gas is sold by the liter but construction materials are almost always feet and square feet. We have yet and likely never will adopt metric paper sizes so paper is still 8.5X11 inches instead of A4. It goes on and on. Mostly it's because we have this behemoth of an economy below us that is non metric and we're each other's biggest trading partner so it's hard to adopt when most of your market is flooded with U.S. goods and you're making goods destined for the U.S.
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WOW! Average British Winter... Sometimes falls below 0c for three days on the trot. Has been known for snow to lay on the ground for nearly a week. (Deep snow too, sometimes 2 or 3 inches!) (Also this causes the entire country to be paralysed by bad/inexperienced drivers struggling) Had a storm once.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Well if you live long enough and the most common climate change predictions are correct (from what I recall) you too will get the opportunity to feel what it's like to go through a Canadian winter on the prairies. :)
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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I'd rather go with a Subaru (which I do have one, so I'm biased). The CRV's AWD is electronically controlled, which tends to kick it after it's too late. (And if you have the 4wd version, you have to manually engage it or it stays on FWD).
Yeah I agree entirely. I've had a Subaru for years now and driven it in very deep Canadian snow (deep to the point that I was plowing it), plenty of icy roads and more often than not torrential rain with zero issues and no need for winter tires or chains.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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-45 Degree centigrade, Wind chill 2500 , Wind speed 50 gusitng to 80 KMPH and 24 inch Snow of various forms has to be handeled. So I bought Honda Crv-1998 with 4*4 drive, with abs . Every thing Seems to work. What do you think about the choice. PS: I hate blowing snow and black ice and gusting winds- when you can not tell it is day or night without the help of an watch.
Tapas Shome System Software Engineer Keen Computer Solutions 1408 Erin Street Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3E 2S8 http://www.keencomputer.com
modified on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:10 AM
My choices (in order)
- Bowler Nemesis[^] (if I could afford it)
- Bowler Wildcat[^]
- Defender 90[^] (With Td5 not the new Transit engine)
- Defender 110[^] (With Td5 engine again)
- Series III[^] (mine)
- Series I[^]
- Series II[^]
- Range Rover Sport[^]
- Disco 3[^]
- Range Rover[^]
- F
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Chew through the tyres though being constant all wheel drive
:confused: My Subaru WRX is all time all wheel drive and I've driven it like I stole it for 6 years and we only had to replace our first set of tires a few months ago. Technically speaking wouldn't a powered wheel have less friction and wear than an unpowered wheel that is simply being dragged along for the ride?
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
Depends on what the configuration for the drive system is and where most of the weight is centred. If you think of it this way, in a normal 2 wheel drive car when you turn the wheel all the front wheels are doing is going around the corner. If you then apply drive to those wheels they're trying to pull it forwards as well, thus causing the tyres to slip slightly on the road. I don't think whether it's in 4x4 or 2x4 makes much difference to tyre wear (if it were a good system for driving on the road implying good on-road = bad for off-road (unless it adapts)) the bigger difference will be in fuel efficiency and wear on the bearings to the front prop. Having said that if you drive a 4x4 which can deal with going up to ~60mph in 4x4 mode (many "soft-roaders" can't, Shogun's and Land Rovers can) you should notice a difference in the apparent "weight" of the steering when the front-wheels are being driven as opposed to not. Then try locking the central diff (it didn't come out once on the Shogun after going into the low-range) and driving >50mph, it's a PIG to say the least. Then again, you can always go for good tyres [^], the ones of these that we've bought have done an absolute minimum of 50,000 miles per tyre, actually working out cheaper than the cheap stuff (~£100 / tyre for the BFGs).
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Depends on what the configuration for the drive system is and where most of the weight is centred. If you think of it this way, in a normal 2 wheel drive car when you turn the wheel all the front wheels are doing is going around the corner. If you then apply drive to those wheels they're trying to pull it forwards as well, thus causing the tyres to slip slightly on the road. I don't think whether it's in 4x4 or 2x4 makes much difference to tyre wear (if it were a good system for driving on the road implying good on-road = bad for off-road (unless it adapts)) the bigger difference will be in fuel efficiency and wear on the bearings to the front prop. Having said that if you drive a 4x4 which can deal with going up to ~60mph in 4x4 mode (many "soft-roaders" can't, Shogun's and Land Rovers can) you should notice a difference in the apparent "weight" of the steering when the front-wheels are being driven as opposed to not. Then try locking the central diff (it didn't come out once on the Shogun after going into the low-range) and driving >50mph, it's a PIG to say the least. Then again, you can always go for good tyres [^], the ones of these that we've bought have done an absolute minimum of 50,000 miles per tyre, actually working out cheaper than the cheap stuff (~£100 / tyre for the BFGs).
Ed.Poore wrote:
If you think of it this way, in a normal 2 wheel drive car when you turn the wheel all the front wheels are doing is going around the corner. If you then apply drive to those wheels they're trying to pull it forwards as well, thus causing the tyres to slip slightly on the road.
Exactly the opposite of my conclusion: I think unpowered wheels have more friction than powered wheels under normal driving conditions at even speed turning corners etc. A bit redundant though since most non 4 wheel drive vehicles are front wheel drive anyway these days. :)
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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Ed.Poore wrote:
If you think of it this way, in a normal 2 wheel drive car when you turn the wheel all the front wheels are doing is going around the corner. If you then apply drive to those wheels they're trying to pull it forwards as well, thus causing the tyres to slip slightly on the road.
Exactly the opposite of my conclusion: I think unpowered wheels have more friction than powered wheels under normal driving conditions at even speed turning corners etc. A bit redundant though since most non 4 wheel drive vehicles are front wheel drive anyway these days. :)
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
John C wrote:
I think unpowered wheels have more friction than powered wheels under normal driving conditions at even speed turning corners etc.
The friction is on the bearings rather than tyre to road. If you've played with a LEGO diff (where I first learnt about them), if you've got a drive to the diff then it'll want to turn both wheels, normally what would happen is the "outer-casing" of the diff spins rather than let the wheel slip (what it was designed to do). However when you apply some drive to the diff then it'll want to turn the wheels and thus the only two things which can spin in the diff are the casing (which is under drive so that's a no-no) or the axles, the axles won't slip so it transfers the slip to the wheels. It's not a big slip I grant you but there will be a tiny amount. If you don't believe me go out and buy a Lego vehicle with a diff and have a play ;P
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John C wrote:
I think unpowered wheels have more friction than powered wheels under normal driving conditions at even speed turning corners etc.
The friction is on the bearings rather than tyre to road. If you've played with a LEGO diff (where I first learnt about them), if you've got a drive to the diff then it'll want to turn both wheels, normally what would happen is the "outer-casing" of the diff spins rather than let the wheel slip (what it was designed to do). However when you apply some drive to the diff then it'll want to turn the wheels and thus the only two things which can spin in the diff are the casing (which is under drive so that's a no-no) or the axles, the axles won't slip so it transfers the slip to the wheels. It's not a big slip I grant you but there will be a tiny amount. If you don't believe me go out and buy a Lego vehicle with a diff and have a play ;P
