India to crash into the Moon
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Paul Watson wrote:
Though that would be pretty awesome.
Why?
Paul Watson wrote:
Anyone else think there is no point in crashing TVs into the Moon?
Dont tell me if noone falls while starting to ride a bicycle. This is first ever mission buddy. And it didnt caused lives as in case of Apollo - 1.
Paul Watson wrote:
Some day the Moon is going to send India a clean-up bill.
This[^] might be an eye opener. Now tell me who is going get the bill?
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d@nish wrote:
Dont tell me if noone falls while starting to ride a bicycle. This is first ever mission buddy. And it didnt caused lives as in case of Apollo - 1.
A Ranger probe launched by the US crashed into the Moon in, I believe, 1965 (maybe 1964); this established that they could, in fact, launch a vehicle that could reach the Moon under any condition, and such a launch is considered as a first condition for anyone trying to make it to the Moon. This was long before Grissom, White, and Chaffey burned to death on the launch pad. I can still remember my horror at hearing about it, as I was familiar with both Grissom and White from the Gemini program. Due to the pure oxygen atmosphere in the capsule, which had pushed their blood oxygen to such a high level that they never passed out from smoke inhalation, they survived far, far longer than they should have. The tapes of this horror still exist at NASA headquarters in Houston, locked in a vault to which maybe two people on Earth have access. Your comment was in REALLY, REALLY bad taste. Shame on you.
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I know, glad you agree.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Scott Bruno wrote:
The correct answer is, you do not share space rocket technology because it's only a short hop between crashing a TV into the moon and crashing a fistful of warheads into someone's city.
That did not work well with India though, it was only after the world decided not to share their technology with India, we started doing better (or work harder) with our indigenous technologies.
The world decided not to share with India? Wow. I must have missed that memo.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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VentsyV wrote:
I've always said that Indians don't know how to drive Wink
are you sure whoever told you that wasn't talking about native indians (red indians)? by the way indians can drive as well as fly also just wait and watch until 2025 :-)
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Paul Watson wrote:
India to crash into the Moon.
That is how you make an impact! :-O
Paul Watson wrote:
Anyone else think there is no point in crashing TVs into the Moon? Can't they ask NASA for some data? They do know NASA has landed on the moon a few times, right?
Don't we have new programmers still writing "Hello world" program? Or do you suggest them to google and download the binary, execute it, and enjoy watching the magic text on the screen? ;)
suhredayan wrote:
Don't we have new programmers still writing "Hello world" program? Or do you suggest them to google and download the binary, execute it, and enjoy watching the magic text on the screen? Wink
Did you just compare writing Hello World to crashing a probe into the Moon? I'm impressed. My metaphors and comparisons are often wildly off-base but that, that, takes the cake... or the cheese in this case. As for your point, of which I admit you have one, there is far more to learn from existing NASA data (one more Indian "landing" isn't going to contribute much) and the hardest bits will have already been learned just by getting to the Moon. On second thought this crash is more of a stunt than science. Get a bit of India on the Moon however you can.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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The world decided not to share with India? Wow. I must have missed that memo.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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((lambda (x) `((lambda (x) ,x) ',x)) '`((lambda (x) ,x) ',x))Thanks leppie. I think some people took it a bit too seriously. Do they really think I'd outsource crashing into the moon to the Indians when I can get perfectly capable mad Irishmen to do it?
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Though that would be pretty awesome.
Did John Simmons steal your CP Password?
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No, but I highly recommend his training programme.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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They're dead certain that NASA is hoarding all the green cheese and claiming there's nothing there but rocks and dust. India has people to feed, and can't take the chance that NASA may never share the bounty, so they're going to take a peek for themselves.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
You have to ask yourself why anyone would think anyone else would horde green cheese. I love me some blue cheese but have been known to, on occasion, refuse to eat it when it has turned green.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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U.S. sanctions imposed[^] I was mentioning the 1998 US sanction on India, which virtually prevented any nations to co-operate with India on sensitive technologies.
The ones that were lifted by 1999?
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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The ones that were lifted by 1999?
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Paul Watson wrote:
The ones that were lifted by 1999?
Yes. But if you are saying that the sanction was only for one year, may be you didn't get it. That point was: "try not to depend on other countries", and we got this the very next moment the sanction was imposed.
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Paul Watson wrote:
The ones that were lifted by 1999?
Yes. But if you are saying that the sanction was only for one year, may be you didn't get it. That point was: "try not to depend on other countries", and we got this the very next moment the sanction was imposed.
suhredayan wrote:
That point was: "try not to depend on other countries", and we got this the very next moment the sanction was imposed.
I thought "no more nuclear tests" was what India got from the sanctions. p.s. India relies on the world and India contributes much to the world. Same with China and Russia and the USA and the EU and Brazil and South Africa and etc. The days of independence are at an end and in most countries are long gone. India
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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suhredayan wrote:
Don't we have new programmers still writing "Hello world" program? Or do you suggest them to google and download the binary, execute it, and enjoy watching the magic text on the screen? Wink
Did you just compare writing Hello World to crashing a probe into the Moon? I'm impressed. My metaphors and comparisons are often wildly off-base but that, that, takes the cake... or the cheese in this case. As for your point, of which I admit you have one, there is far more to learn from existing NASA data (one more Indian "landing" isn't going to contribute much) and the hardest bits will have already been learned just by getting to the Moon. On second thought this crash is more of a stunt than science. Get a bit of India on the Moon however you can.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
Paul Watson wrote:
Get a bit of India on the Moon however you can.
I agree. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7679818.stm[^] India will become the fourth country after the US, Russia and Japan to place its national flag on the lunar surface. Isn't that something that we can tell our kids? We chose Nov 14th for this so called stunt, because it is celebrated as children's day in India. Now the joke part is, China had been around the moon before us, but never thought of placing their flag. ;P
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Paul Watson wrote:
Get a bit of India on the Moon however you can.
I agree. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7679818.stm[^] India will become the fourth country after the US, Russia and Japan to place its national flag on the lunar surface. Isn't that something that we can tell our kids? We chose Nov 14th for this so called stunt, because it is celebrated as children's day in India. Now the joke part is, China had been around the moon before us, but never thought of placing their flag. ;P
suhredayan wrote:
Isn't that something that we can tell our kids?
I'm sorry suhredayan but no. A painting of a flag on the side of a probe that crashed into our one and only Moon does not constitute something I'd be proud of telling my kids. I'd happily tell them about the amazing work done to reach orbit around the Moon and the interesting observations the vehicle made while orbiting. But I'd discount the crashing bit and tell my kids that only when they do a soft-landing then we can be proud. (I think only the USA and Russia have done soft-landings. Not sure if ESA did a soft-landing and I haven't found much on the Japanese plans/event.) Anyway. This topic has been done to death now. I don't like shit being crashed into the Moon and people claiming some kind of achievement. This is 2008, not the 1960s.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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suhredayan wrote:
That point was: "try not to depend on other countries", and we got this the very next moment the sanction was imposed.
I thought "no more nuclear tests" was what India got from the sanctions. p.s. India relies on the world and India contributes much to the world. Same with China and Russia and the USA and the EU and Brazil and South Africa and etc. The days of independence are at an end and in most countries are long gone. India
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
Paul Watson wrote:
I thought "no more nuclear tests" was what India got from the sanctions.
Sorry Paul, We still have the right to test[^] It is only a self imposed unilateral moratorium on any further N-tests, since India got what it was looking for, and don't foresee any need for another test. However that doesn't mean India has promised or signed any treaty, to never conduct a N-test.
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You have to ask yourself why anyone would think anyone else would horde green cheese. I love me some blue cheese but have been known to, on occasion, refuse to eat it when it has turned green.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
The green is best if you have any sort of bacterial infection (pennicilium), and it adds a piquant, if somewhat fetid flavor to moldy bread.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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suhredayan wrote:
Isn't that something that we can tell our kids?
I'm sorry suhredayan but no. A painting of a flag on the side of a probe that crashed into our one and only Moon does not constitute something I'd be proud of telling my kids. I'd happily tell them about the amazing work done to reach orbit around the Moon and the interesting observations the vehicle made while orbiting. But I'd discount the crashing bit and tell my kids that only when they do a soft-landing then we can be proud. (I think only the USA and Russia have done soft-landings. Not sure if ESA did a soft-landing and I haven't found much on the Japanese plans/event.) Anyway. This topic has been done to death now. I don't like shit being crashed into the Moon and people claiming some kind of achievement. This is 2008, not the 1960s.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Paul Watson wrote:
I thought "no more nuclear tests" was what India got from the sanctions.
Sorry Paul, We still have the right to test[^] It is only a self imposed unilateral moratorium on any further N-tests, since India got what it was looking for, and don't foresee any need for another test. However that doesn't mean India has promised or signed any treaty, to never conduct a N-test.
Sounds like a lot of face-saving bullshit to me. India: We can still blow shit up if we want to! US: Sure sure but we'll want our stuff back then India: Whatever! See if we care, like, you know US: Whatever! India: Pfff! US: Fine, life just got hard again! India: We aren't going to test! US: Good. India: We can if we want to though... US: Bully for you chaps! The same proud, face saving, nationalistic crap that prevents NASA from talking with India. Everything is a race. So sad. Why can't we all just get along eh?
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Paul Watson wrote:
But I'd discount the crashing bit and tell my kids that only when they do a soft-landing then we can be proud.
One of the objectives of this probe is to understand the moon for future soft landings[^]
Why not just ask NASA or the Russians or ESA or the Japanese? Too proud? And if they won't cooperate then use your brains and figure it out without disfiguring the Moon. Get back to us when you do a soft-landing. Preferably without further hard-landings. I'd like a tri-colour free landscape when I build my Moon house thanks.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Why not just ask NASA or the Russians or ESA or the Japanese? Too proud? And if they won't cooperate then use your brains and figure it out without disfiguring the Moon. Get back to us when you do a soft-landing. Preferably without further hard-landings. I'd like a tri-colour free landscape when I build my Moon house thanks.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
Paul Watson wrote:
Get back to us when you do a soft-landing.
I don't think I will bother to. If that day come, may be you can alert everyone here at Lounge, as you did it today.
Paul Watson wrote:
I'd like a tri-colour free landscape when I build my Moon house thanks
Sorry, we have not put it for sale ;p
modified on Friday, November 14, 2008 7:33 PM