These people are just Evil Scum
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Its been huge news here for the past week or more, and yes it is truly horrifying how humans can do that to any living thing let alone a baby. Unfortunatly no amount of leglislation will stop this from happening again. Its been barely 5 years since the last time this london borough was in the spotlight for a similar case that "slipped through the net". Lets just hope whatever prison guard is looking after them knows how to boil a kettle - and I dont mean to make a nice cup of tea!
J4amieC wrote:
Unfortunatly no amount of leglislation will stop this from happening again.
Exactly. This has been going on since the dawn of time and I expect it always will. What it does do is give the hand-wringing "think of the children" brigade another opportunity to bring in yet more constricting and intrusive legislation to further pry into our lives.
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Baconbutty wrote:
Nah - let them be hideously tortured, mutilated and finally terminated with an excess of prejudice.
I disagree. (I have a four month old that I love very much but revenge is not the way.)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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J4amieC wrote:
Unfortunatly no amount of leglislation will stop this from happening again.
Exactly. This has been going on since the dawn of time and I expect it always will. What it does do is give the hand-wringing "think of the children" brigade another opportunity to bring in yet more constricting and intrusive legislation to further pry into our lives.
Actually the legislation already exists to have prevented this from happening, but the one social worker was ignored even after several letters were written, and police were ignored even after saying they didn't think the child would be safe. Those responsible in Harringay Council should face charges and there should be no more of the Political Correctness bollocks that helped to cause this.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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The So Called "Parents" (Killers is a better word) of Baby P I will actually warn you after reading this, it makes for some horrific reading the treatment of this child. I have had to step out of the office for a minute as its left me visibily shaken. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7727641.stm[^] In my opinion these people are lower than terrorists. They do not deserve to live.
GriffinPeter wrote:
They do not deserve to live
Well, provided they're not given any protection from fellow prisoners' justice, your wish may be granted.
Kevin
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Baconbutty wrote:
Nah - let them be hideously tortured, mutilated and finally terminated with an excess of prejudice.
I disagree. (I have a four month old that I love very much but revenge is not the way.)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
This is not revenge, its a punishment that fits the crime. Or as much as possible.
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Baconbutty wrote:
Nah - let them be hideously tortured, mutilated and finally terminated with an excess of prejudice.
I disagree. (I have a four month old that I love very much but revenge is not the way.)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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You're right. Howsoever obnoxious the crimes were, no amount of revenge will bring back that child. No amount of revenge will stop similar happening again.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
No amount of revenge will stop similar happening again
Actually, a well publicised flogging might make others think before doing it! Pour encourager les autres?
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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This is not revenge, its a punishment that fits the crime. Or as much as possible.
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Revenge perhaps is what society demands. A conviction and sentence in a court of Criminal Law should legally satisfy societies demands. Unless you are suggesting adoption of some kind of "Eye for an eye" judgement, in which case, that in a "civilised" country will never happen.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
No amount of revenge will stop similar happening again
Actually, a well publicised flogging might make others think before doing it! Pour encourager les autres?
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Paul Watson wrote:
I disagree.
So if that happened to your child what would you want to happen?
Well, I'd be imprisoned for a long, long time and hopefully be rehabilitated. I'd want to be set to work though, not just sat in a cell and expect to be miraculously rehabilitated. I should be shown the horror of my crime everyday and given the chance, skills and guidance to help, to grow an awareness of my actions and inactions. I've been thinking about this sort of thing for the past 13 months now (since I learned I was to be a father.) What would I want if someone harmed my child. I don't want revenge, I don't want an eye for an eye, I don't want anyone else to suffer anymore than my child, my partner and I have suffered. I want whomever harmed my child to become fully aware of the pain they caused and then for them to change their life around and contribute to society. That would be the sweetest revenge. "Feel our pain, see what you have done to us." Torturing that man who tortured the child would have only a detrimental affect on him. He would see it as a continuation of the existence in his own head, a world of pain and madness. It would push him further away from society and his own actions would only become worse. It would also debase the torturer and society further.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Well, I'd be imprisoned for a long, long time and hopefully be rehabilitated. I'd want to be set to work though, not just sat in a cell and expect to be miraculously rehabilitated. I should be shown the horror of my crime everyday and given the chance, skills and guidance to help, to grow an awareness of my actions and inactions. I've been thinking about this sort of thing for the past 13 months now (since I learned I was to be a father.) What would I want if someone harmed my child. I don't want revenge, I don't want an eye for an eye, I don't want anyone else to suffer anymore than my child, my partner and I have suffered. I want whomever harmed my child to become fully aware of the pain they caused and then for them to change their life around and contribute to society. That would be the sweetest revenge. "Feel our pain, see what you have done to us." Torturing that man who tortured the child would have only a detrimental affect on him. He would see it as a continuation of the existence in his own head, a world of pain and madness. It would push him further away from society and his own actions would only become worse. It would also debase the torturer and society further.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
It's funny, I too am a father, and if anyone did that to my son, I would kill them, slowly. I would do time for murder, but it would be no bother to me.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
You want to re-introduce into law the concept of Corporal Punishment ?
And capital punishment, I would volunteer to the Executioner.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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It's funny, I too am a father, and if anyone did that to my son, I would kill them, slowly. I would do time for murder, but it would be no bother to me.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
I would do time for murder, but it would be no bother to me.
To quote your words "Actually, a well publicised flogging might make others think before doing it!" But it has been proven time and time again that deterrents generally don't work.
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Revenge perhaps is what society demands. A conviction and sentence in a court of Criminal Law should legally satisfy societies demands. Unless you are suggesting adoption of some kind of "Eye for an eye" judgement, in which case, that in a "civilised" country will never happen.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Unless you are suggesting adoption of some kind of "Eye for an eye" judgement
I certainly might feel that way, and I'm sure I sound that way, but really, its passion and feeling riding high. In reality, I'd want just that, a punishment to fit the crime.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
A conviction and sentence in a court of Criminal Law should legally satisfy societies demands
That doesn't happen. A thief might get 2-5 depending on the value of what they stole, compare that to a conman that steals millions or more? Why should both be imprisoned for a similar period of time though the first might have snatched a purse (though more likely it would have been his second or third time). In my mind that is not fair, but sadly, that is the law that is dished out by courts. In this case, what does society demand? Certainly not their incarceration alone, but punishment to go with it, this is not to say that that would be carried out simply because what society demands in this case might not be legal in accordance with the laws of the nation (in this case England/UK). Am I rambling or do I make sense? I'll be back in a few hours but for now I must bid everyone adieu for I have a midterm.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Unless you are suggesting adoption of some kind of "Eye for an eye" judgement
I certainly might feel that way, and I'm sure I sound that way, but really, its passion and feeling riding high. In reality, I'd want just that, a punishment to fit the crime.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
A conviction and sentence in a court of Criminal Law should legally satisfy societies demands
That doesn't happen. A thief might get 2-5 depending on the value of what they stole, compare that to a conman that steals millions or more? Why should both be imprisoned for a similar period of time though the first might have snatched a purse (though more likely it would have been his second or third time). In my mind that is not fair, but sadly, that is the law that is dished out by courts. In this case, what does society demand? Certainly not their incarceration alone, but punishment to go with it, this is not to say that that would be carried out simply because what society demands in this case might not be legal in accordance with the laws of the nation (in this case England/UK). Am I rambling or do I make sense? I'll be back in a few hours but for now I must bid everyone adieu for I have a midterm.
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Ta ra and Good Luck.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
You want to re-introduce into law the concept of Corporal Punishment ?
And capital punishment, I would volunteer to the Executioner.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Capital Punishment, if appropriate to the crime, is a good thing. But then, I speak for myself only in saying if I were a juror, I would hesitate a 1,000,000,000 times before pronouncing that on anyone. Its not an easy choice.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Unless you are suggesting adoption of some kind of "Eye for an eye" judgement
I certainly might feel that way, and I'm sure I sound that way, but really, its passion and feeling riding high. In reality, I'd want just that, a punishment to fit the crime.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
A conviction and sentence in a court of Criminal Law should legally satisfy societies demands
That doesn't happen. A thief might get 2-5 depending on the value of what they stole, compare that to a conman that steals millions or more? Why should both be imprisoned for a similar period of time though the first might have snatched a purse (though more likely it would have been his second or third time). In my mind that is not fair, but sadly, that is the law that is dished out by courts. In this case, what does society demand? Certainly not their incarceration alone, but punishment to go with it, this is not to say that that would be carried out simply because what society demands in this case might not be legal in accordance with the laws of the nation (in this case England/UK). Am I rambling or do I make sense? I'll be back in a few hours but for now I must bid everyone adieu for I have a midterm.
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The So Called "Parents" (Killers is a better word) of Baby P I will actually warn you after reading this, it makes for some horrific reading the treatment of this child. I have had to step out of the office for a minute as its left me visibily shaken. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7727641.stm[^] In my opinion these people are lower than terrorists. They do not deserve to live.
Dare I suggest that this topic should be in the SoapBox? It's crossing the line from Lounge, and is likely to give rise to lots of right and wrongs types of argument. I abhor what was done to that child, and I'm not afraid to say I had tears on my face watching Panorama the other night where it discussed the failings of the people charged with keeping this child safe, but here is not the place to debate it.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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The So Called "Parents" (Killers is a better word) of Baby P I will actually warn you after reading this, it makes for some horrific reading the treatment of this child. I have had to step out of the office for a minute as its left me visibily shaken. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7727641.stm[^] In my opinion these people are lower than terrorists. They do not deserve to live.
And for all his suffering, the world hasn't changed a bit... I don't like that - it disturbs me.
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Well, I'd be imprisoned for a long, long time and hopefully be rehabilitated. I'd want to be set to work though, not just sat in a cell and expect to be miraculously rehabilitated. I should be shown the horror of my crime everyday and given the chance, skills and guidance to help, to grow an awareness of my actions and inactions. I've been thinking about this sort of thing for the past 13 months now (since I learned I was to be a father.) What would I want if someone harmed my child. I don't want revenge, I don't want an eye for an eye, I don't want anyone else to suffer anymore than my child, my partner and I have suffered. I want whomever harmed my child to become fully aware of the pain they caused and then for them to change their life around and contribute to society. That would be the sweetest revenge. "Feel our pain, see what you have done to us." Torturing that man who tortured the child would have only a detrimental affect on him. He would see it as a continuation of the existence in his own head, a world of pain and madness. It would push him further away from society and his own actions would only become worse. It would also debase the torturer and society further.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
I'm with Dalek. I'd kill them very slowly and inflict indescribable pain on them before they died. As simple as that
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