NRO Editors: Legislating Immorality
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NRO Editors: Legislating Immorality[^]
... To date, 30 states have voted on initiatives addressing same-sex marriage, and in every state traditional marriage has come out on top. But somehow the fact that Mormons got involved during the latest statewide referendum constitutes a bridge too far? In truth, Mormons are a target of convenience in the opening salvo of what is sure to be a full-scale assault on much of America’s religious infrastructure, which gay activists perceive as a barrier to their aspirations. Among religious groups, Mormons are not the biggest obstacle to same-sex marriage — not by a long shot. But they are an easy target. Anti-Mormon bigotry is unfortunately common, and gay-rights activists are cynically exploiting that fact. There are no websites dedicated to “outing” Catholics who supported Proposition 8, even though Catholic voters heavily outnumber Mormons. And the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is not remarkably strident in its beliefs on the subject. So far, no gay-rights activist has had the brass to burn a Qu’ran on the doorstep of a militant mosque where — forget marriage! — imams advocate the stoning of homosexuals. Churches oppose same-sex marriage in part because it represents an implicit threat to freedom of conscience and belief. California already had one of the broadest civil-unions laws in the country. There was little in the way of government-sanctioned privileges that a state-issued marriage license would confer. But the drive for same-sex marriage is in practice about legislating moral conformity — demanding that everybody recognize homosexual relationships in the same way, regardless of their own beliefs. Freedom of conscience, or diversity of belief, is the last thing the homosexual lobby will tolerate: In New Mexico, a state civil-rights commission fined an evangelical wedding photographer $6,637 for politely declining to photograph a gay commitment ceremony. In California, the state Supreme Court ruled unanimously against two San Diego fertility doctors who refused to give in-vitro fertilization to a lesbian owing to their religious beliefs, even though they had referred her to another doctor. And just this week, evangelical dating site eHarmony, which hadn’t previously provided same-sex matchmaking services, announ
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NRO Editors: Legislating Immorality[^]
... To date, 30 states have voted on initiatives addressing same-sex marriage, and in every state traditional marriage has come out on top. But somehow the fact that Mormons got involved during the latest statewide referendum constitutes a bridge too far? In truth, Mormons are a target of convenience in the opening salvo of what is sure to be a full-scale assault on much of America’s religious infrastructure, which gay activists perceive as a barrier to their aspirations. Among religious groups, Mormons are not the biggest obstacle to same-sex marriage — not by a long shot. But they are an easy target. Anti-Mormon bigotry is unfortunately common, and gay-rights activists are cynically exploiting that fact. There are no websites dedicated to “outing” Catholics who supported Proposition 8, even though Catholic voters heavily outnumber Mormons. And the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is not remarkably strident in its beliefs on the subject. So far, no gay-rights activist has had the brass to burn a Qu’ran on the doorstep of a militant mosque where — forget marriage! — imams advocate the stoning of homosexuals. Churches oppose same-sex marriage in part because it represents an implicit threat to freedom of conscience and belief. California already had one of the broadest civil-unions laws in the country. There was little in the way of government-sanctioned privileges that a state-issued marriage license would confer. But the drive for same-sex marriage is in practice about legislating moral conformity — demanding that everybody recognize homosexual relationships in the same way, regardless of their own beliefs. Freedom of conscience, or diversity of belief, is the last thing the homosexual lobby will tolerate: In New Mexico, a state civil-rights commission fined an evangelical wedding photographer $6,637 for politely declining to photograph a gay commitment ceremony. In California, the state Supreme Court ruled unanimously against two San Diego fertility doctors who refused to give in-vitro fertilization to a lesbian owing to their religious beliefs, even though they had referred her to another doctor. And just this week, evangelical dating site eHarmony, which hadn’t previously provided same-sex matchmaking services, announ
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NRO Editors: Legislating Immorality[^]
... To date, 30 states have voted on initiatives addressing same-sex marriage, and in every state traditional marriage has come out on top. But somehow the fact that Mormons got involved during the latest statewide referendum constitutes a bridge too far? In truth, Mormons are a target of convenience in the opening salvo of what is sure to be a full-scale assault on much of America’s religious infrastructure, which gay activists perceive as a barrier to their aspirations. Among religious groups, Mormons are not the biggest obstacle to same-sex marriage — not by a long shot. But they are an easy target. Anti-Mormon bigotry is unfortunately common, and gay-rights activists are cynically exploiting that fact. There are no websites dedicated to “outing” Catholics who supported Proposition 8, even though Catholic voters heavily outnumber Mormons. And the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is not remarkably strident in its beliefs on the subject. So far, no gay-rights activist has had the brass to burn a Qu’ran on the doorstep of a militant mosque where — forget marriage! — imams advocate the stoning of homosexuals. Churches oppose same-sex marriage in part because it represents an implicit threat to freedom of conscience and belief. California already had one of the broadest civil-unions laws in the country. There was little in the way of government-sanctioned privileges that a state-issued marriage license would confer. But the drive for same-sex marriage is in practice about legislating moral conformity — demanding that everybody recognize homosexual relationships in the same way, regardless of their own beliefs. Freedom of conscience, or diversity of belief, is the last thing the homosexual lobby will tolerate: In New Mexico, a state civil-rights commission fined an evangelical wedding photographer $6,637 for politely declining to photograph a gay commitment ceremony. In California, the state Supreme Court ruled unanimously against two San Diego fertility doctors who refused to give in-vitro fertilization to a lesbian owing to their religious beliefs, even though they had referred her to another doctor. And just this week, evangelical dating site eHarmony, which hadn’t previously provided same-sex matchmaking services, announ
Why does the thought of same sex relationships bother you? Hatred is bred from fear, and fear from self realisation of weakness. Should not we all become tolerant and accepting of people, working in peace and harmony regardless of their orientation/sexuality/sex/gender/colour/beliefs/politics etc. Or should we continue to be divisive and obedient to book thumping, intolerant, biased, politico/religious bigots?
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Why does the thought of same sex relationships bother you? Hatred is bred from fear, and fear from self realisation of weakness. Should not we all become tolerant and accepting of people, working in peace and harmony regardless of their orientation/sexuality/sex/gender/colour/beliefs/politics etc. Or should we continue to be divisive and obedient to book thumping, intolerant, biased, politico/religious bigots?
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Why can you not "think" outside your stupid little box? Why do you imagine I care about your brain-dead "liberal" hypocritical talking points? What ever gave you the impression that I will ever be on the defensive when you "liberals" start spewing their hypocrisy and/or non-sense?
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Why can you not "think" outside your stupid little box? Why do you imagine I care about your brain-dead "liberal" hypocritical talking points? What ever gave you the impression that I will ever be on the defensive when you "liberals" start spewing their hypocrisy and/or non-sense?
I assumed from you Constant harping on about this subject it was close to your heart. You are obsessed with commenting on other's lifestyles, and my views are as real and pertinent as yours. More so in fact as I don't preach division and disharmony, unlike the fascist views you expound.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Why can you not "think" outside your stupid little box? Why do you imagine I care about your brain-dead "liberal" hypocritical talking points? What ever gave you the impression that I will ever be on the defensive when you "liberals" start spewing their hypocrisy and/or non-sense?
Sorry, what's the 'mind' again? I forgot what your definition was.
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Why does the thought of same sex relationships bother you? Hatred is bred from fear, and fear from self realisation of weakness. Should not we all become tolerant and accepting of people, working in peace and harmony regardless of their orientation/sexuality/sex/gender/colour/beliefs/politics etc. Or should we continue to be divisive and obedient to book thumping, intolerant, biased, politico/religious bigots?
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
Why does the thought of same sex relationships bother you?
Because although he fancies himself a powerful mind, a genius of geniuses, he basically regurgitates other people's opinions and bristles whenever someone has the audacity to express a differing thought. He believes himself to be complex and tragically misunderstood, but he's actually very simple - he's a textbook narcissist.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Why does the thought of same sex relationships bother you?
Because although he fancies himself a powerful mind, a genius of geniuses, he basically regurgitates other people's opinions and bristles whenever someone has the audacity to express a differing thought. He believes himself to be complex and tragically misunderstood, but he's actually very simple - he's a textbook narcissist.
I thought it may be something like that. My personal view is that he is a closet homosexual who has yet to come to terms with his sexuality and rails at the thought. Either that or he is a twat.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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I thought it may be something like that. My personal view is that he is a closet homosexual who has yet to come to terms with his sexuality and rails at the thought. Either that or he is a twat.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
He's just another idiot possessed with delusional grandiosity. He's of the same ilk as those who target black people, Jews, women, etc. He just likes to hate.
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He's just another idiot possessed with delusional grandiosity. He's of the same ilk as those who target black people, Jews, women, etc. He just likes to hate.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
He's just another idiot possessed with delusional grandiosity
I have delusions of adequacy!
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
He's of the same ilk as those who target black people, Jews, women, etc
As I said above, Fascist. He just takes his hate fantasy out on people who aren't him!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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I thought it may be something like that. My personal view is that he is a closet homosexual who has yet to come to terms with his sexuality and rails at the thought. Either that or he is a twat.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
My personal view is that he is a closet homosexual who has yet to come to terms with his sexuality and rails at the thought. Either that or he is a twat.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: My only regret is that I can only give you one five.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
He's just another idiot possessed with delusional grandiosity
I have delusions of adequacy!
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
He's of the same ilk as those who target black people, Jews, women, etc
As I said above, Fascist. He just takes his hate fantasy out on people who aren't him!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
There cannot possibly be a God - it would never allow one such as Troy to live while others who are a positive influence in the world suffer and die arbitrarily and irrelevantly.
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I thought it may be something like that. My personal view is that he is a closet homosexual who has yet to come to terms with his sexuality and rails at the thought. Either that or he is a twat.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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I assumed from you Constant harping on about this subject it was close to your heart. You are obsessed with commenting on other's lifestyles, and my views are as real and pertinent as yours. More so in fact as I don't preach division and disharmony, unlike the fascist views you expound.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Why does the thought of same sex relationships bother you? Hatred is bred from fear, and fear from self realisation of weakness. Should not we all become tolerant and accepting of people, working in peace and harmony regardless of their orientation/sexuality/sex/gender/colour/beliefs/politics etc. Or should we continue to be divisive and obedient to book thumping, intolerant, biased, politico/religious bigots?
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
Why does the thought of same sex relationships bother you?
Because it is being promoted as moral imperative which we must all be tolerant of. Why does it bother you that some people are bothered by same sex relationships? Is there some kind of new age orthodoxy that we are now all required to acknowledge?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Hatred is bred from fear, and fear from self realisation of weakness.
You do realize that statement is logically indefensible don't you? Did you actually go to school to learn that or did you read it on a blog somewhere?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Should not we all become tolerant and accepting of people, working in peace and harmony regardless of their orientation/sexuality/sex/gender/colour/beliefs/politics etc.
We have always done that. That is, until someone came along with a new moral imperative that they claimed the moral authority to force upon everyone else.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Or should we continue to be divisive and obedient to book thumping, intolerant, biased, politico/religious bigots?
Thats up to you, Dave. You are the bullying moral bigot in this scenario insisting that your views are better than everyone else's. Marriage has always been pretty much a male-female kind of a deal. Why does that bother you so much?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I assumed from you Constant harping on about this subject it was close to your heart.
Ilion likes a wide stance, that's all. You shouldn't read too much into it.
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:laugh: I voted a 5 but in my heart it's a 20!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Why does the thought of same sex relationships bother you?
Because it is being promoted as moral imperative which we must all be tolerant of. Why does it bother you that some people are bothered by same sex relationships? Is there some kind of new age orthodoxy that we are now all required to acknowledge?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Hatred is bred from fear, and fear from self realisation of weakness.
You do realize that statement is logically indefensible don't you? Did you actually go to school to learn that or did you read it on a blog somewhere?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Should not we all become tolerant and accepting of people, working in peace and harmony regardless of their orientation/sexuality/sex/gender/colour/beliefs/politics etc.
We have always done that. That is, until someone came along with a new moral imperative that they claimed the moral authority to force upon everyone else.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Or should we continue to be divisive and obedient to book thumping, intolerant, biased, politico/religious bigots?
Thats up to you, Dave. You are the bullying moral bigot in this scenario insisting that your views are better than everyone else's. Marriage has always been pretty much a male-female kind of a deal. Why does that bother you so much?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
- Tolerance is important, without it we become a judgemental, corrupt society, layered by how much of mainstream dogma we approve. 2) It is mine alone, and not logically indefensible. Where do you think hatred comes from? 3)
Stan Shannon wrote:
We have always done that
Er, where were you during the History Lesson? Slavery, has been with us for 1000s's of years. It is even approved of in that bible thing. Antisemitism has been in Europe for 1000's of years too. The first use of the word Holocaust was when the Jews were banished from Britain in the 1300's. South Africa's Apartheid System? yes very tolerant, or do you agree with all these? 4) I did not state my views were more important, merely that I had them and a right to them. I can argue my views logically without resorting to 'Moral Argument' or dogmatic obedience.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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And here's where you can see what a super web designer he is: http://home.sprintmail.com/~tdhailey/index.htm
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Site needs plug-ins - nope, I'm not installing additional plug-ins just to see *his* website. But from what I can see, its awful. OT CP is so damned slow at the moment. I tried to edit my post before your response but CP just kept me waiting and waiting and I finally gave up. Don't know what Maunder and his team are doing but this site is getting almost unusable. Might be a bloody lot quicker to use pigeon post. :mad: Not only that but my post has vanished. I'm sure I didn't hit the delete key...
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Why does the thought of same sex relationships bother you?
Because it is being promoted as moral imperative which we must all be tolerant of. Why does it bother you that some people are bothered by same sex relationships? Is there some kind of new age orthodoxy that we are now all required to acknowledge?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Hatred is bred from fear, and fear from self realisation of weakness.
You do realize that statement is logically indefensible don't you? Did you actually go to school to learn that or did you read it on a blog somewhere?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Should not we all become tolerant and accepting of people, working in peace and harmony regardless of their orientation/sexuality/sex/gender/colour/beliefs/politics etc.
We have always done that. That is, until someone came along with a new moral imperative that they claimed the moral authority to force upon everyone else.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Or should we continue to be divisive and obedient to book thumping, intolerant, biased, politico/religious bigots?
Thats up to you, Dave. You are the bullying moral bigot in this scenario insisting that your views are better than everyone else's. Marriage has always been pretty much a male-female kind of a deal. Why does that bother you so much?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
What would a racist or a homophobe gain by being a conservative?
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