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No worries bro. I met a guy that graduated from UCR, biggest pompous jackass I've ever had the misfortune of meeting. Tainted the whole school for me.
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This curved line of replies is cool. I really like it. Best wishes to CP team. Hmmm what formula does it use? Look's like a logarithmic one. ;)
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:laugh: Naaaw. Been hacking and coughing the last two days but it's just allergies :laugh:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
Paul Conrad wrote:
it's just allergies
Are you sure? Can you properly differentiate that from a reaction to post-algebraic mathematics? :rim-shot:
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Have never had an automata class
Lucky you. For my Master's work, it was a required course.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
he uses the word I
I would find that bothersome.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
Master's in what?
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Paul Conrad wrote:
it's just allergies
Are you sure? Can you properly differentiate that from a reaction to post-algebraic mathematics? :rim-shot:
Software Zen:
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Fold With Us![^]Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Are you sure?
Yep. Allergies had nothing to do with math, but the dry and windy weather does.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Master's in what?
In Computer Science.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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This curved line of replies is cool. I really like it. Best wishes to CP team. Hmmm what formula does it use? Look's like a logarithmic one. ;)
Greetings - Gajatko Portable.NET is part of DotGNU, a project to build a complete Free Software replacement for .NET - a system that truly belongs to the developers.
Yeah, it's really cool :-D
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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In Computer Science.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
Ahh. My BS and one MS degrees were in Mathematics. Automata never came into play. None of the CS classes I took had it either. I definitely would have enjoyed it if I took it.
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Ahh. My BS and one MS degrees were in Mathematics. Automata never came into play. None of the CS classes I took had it either. I definitely would have enjoyed it if I took it.
The fellow who taught the automata course I was in, had a Bachelors in math, Masters and PhD in CS. He did a really good job at explaining it, and bridging both CS and Math together in terms of automata theory.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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This curved line of replies is cool. I really like it. Best wishes to CP team. Hmmm what formula does it use? Look's like a logarithmic one. ;)
Greetings - Gajatko Portable.NET is part of DotGNU, a project to build a complete Free Software replacement for .NET - a system that truly belongs to the developers.
More like ln because the curve because more slight as the x (number of posts) increases :D
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Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa Unix is a Four Letter Word, and Vi is a Two Letter Abbreviation "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib
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This curved line of replies is cool. I really like it. Best wishes to CP team. Hmmm what formula does it use? Look's like a logarithmic one. ;)
Greetings - Gajatko Portable.NET is part of DotGNU, a project to build a complete Free Software replacement for .NET - a system that truly belongs to the developers.
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I've looked at Cal-Tech and almost keeled over at the tuition cost. Nice that they are only about 30 minutes from here. Carnegie-Mellon would be sweet since I've studied the PSP (Personal Software Process) a bit and that is where it was started.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
PSP? Have you tried using that in a practical working environment? Its all fine in Academia, but a tremendous burden when you actually try to apply the principals to what you are working on.
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PSP? Have you tried using that in a practical working environment? Its all fine in Academia, but a tremendous burden when you actually try to apply the principals to what you are working on.
Member 4593559 wrote:
Have you tried using that in a practical working environment?
Yes.
Member 4593559 wrote:
tremendous burden when you actually try to apply the principals to what you are working on.
Not necessarily so if you have automated tools doing the drudgery work for you.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Member 4593559 wrote:
Have you tried using that in a practical working environment?
Yes.
Member 4593559 wrote:
tremendous burden when you actually try to apply the principals to what you are working on.
Not necessarily so if you have automated tools doing the drudgery work for you.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
I'd be interested to know what automated tools you are using. Currently we are using the PSP Dashboard, which is an Open source project, as it seems to be the only tool out there that sufficiently covers the tenets of PSP, but even that I find to be cumbersome and not much use. Of the data I have collected using PSP, none of it seems to have any intrinsic value when it comes to predicting how long my next project will take or how big it will be, and it just seems like an awful lot of red tape for little or no gain. It also seems that the originators of the whole Concept of PSP have no interest in creating software that actually uses the principals that they espouse. The spreadsheets that come with the course notes for PSP and TSP are laughable. If there is another automated tool that is freely or commercially available, I would be interested to hear about it. :)
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I'd be interested to know what automated tools you are using. Currently we are using the PSP Dashboard, which is an Open source project, as it seems to be the only tool out there that sufficiently covers the tenets of PSP, but even that I find to be cumbersome and not much use. Of the data I have collected using PSP, none of it seems to have any intrinsic value when it comes to predicting how long my next project will take or how big it will be, and it just seems like an awful lot of red tape for little or no gain. It also seems that the originators of the whole Concept of PSP have no interest in creating software that actually uses the principals that they espouse. The spreadsheets that come with the course notes for PSP and TSP are laughable. If there is another automated tool that is freely or commercially available, I would be interested to hear about it. :)
Member 4593559 wrote:
I'd be interested to know what automated tools you are using. Currently we are using the PSP Dashboard, which is an Open source project
It is a combination of a VS line counter plugin I found and PSP Dashboard/Excel. Not exactly the prettiest, but it does okay since my shop is small. Not sure about yours. The only thing that still bugs me after being introduced to PSP in 2003 and doing my Master's Thesis on it, is the notion of the defect tracking. When talking about how many errors per 1k/loc, are we talking about silly little errors, or logical runtime errors that are found? Never been 100% clear on that. I've just filed it as something that is decided by the user of PSP. I lean towards the logical errors, because counting syntax errors based on a missing semicolon or curly brace is rather pointless. Counting syntax errors just shows how crappy of a typer someone can be, but the logical errors are what is really more important.
Member 4593559 wrote:
Of the data I have collected using PSP, none of it seems to have any intrinsic value when it comes to predicting how long my next project will take or how big it will be, and it just seems like an awful lot of red tape for little or no gain.
I know what you mean. Most of my client work I do has been fairly well predictable with and without PSP.
Member 4593559 wrote:
The spreadsheets that come with the course notes for PSP and TSP are laughable
I agree. I cannot begin to say how many times I've taken an Excel spreadsheet and tweak it around.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Member 4593559 wrote:
I'd be interested to know what automated tools you are using. Currently we are using the PSP Dashboard, which is an Open source project
It is a combination of a VS line counter plugin I found and PSP Dashboard/Excel. Not exactly the prettiest, but it does okay since my shop is small. Not sure about yours. The only thing that still bugs me after being introduced to PSP in 2003 and doing my Master's Thesis on it, is the notion of the defect tracking. When talking about how many errors per 1k/loc, are we talking about silly little errors, or logical runtime errors that are found? Never been 100% clear on that. I've just filed it as something that is decided by the user of PSP. I lean towards the logical errors, because counting syntax errors based on a missing semicolon or curly brace is rather pointless. Counting syntax errors just shows how crappy of a typer someone can be, but the logical errors are what is really more important.
Member 4593559 wrote:
Of the data I have collected using PSP, none of it seems to have any intrinsic value when it comes to predicting how long my next project will take or how big it will be, and it just seems like an awful lot of red tape for little or no gain.
I know what you mean. Most of my client work I do has been fairly well predictable with and without PSP.
Member 4593559 wrote:
The spreadsheets that come with the course notes for PSP and TSP are laughable
I agree. I cannot begin to say how many times I've taken an Excel spreadsheet and tweak it around.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
Lol. I guess that there isn't a seriously good tool out there yet for much larger scale operations yet then. Where I work we have Teams using TSP and the associated spreadsheet in conjunction with the Dashboard, and a few softies have attempted to craft line counters...I'm not sure but I guess they must have standardized on one. We do hear a lot of complaints about it from the teams, but the company has paid a lot of money to train its engineers in the principles of PSP and TSP, so I guess they are going to persist with it. Fortunately for me, I am currently working on a lot of Custom projects as a team of one, so I have elected to just stick to the basic principals of Software Dev. I remember when taking the course, we were encouraged to disable intellisense, not hit the compile button until reviewing the code, and to record even the smallest defects, such as missing semicolons. To me, that just seems like a way to create false impressions of high defect rates on projects. Modern IDEs and compilers have moved on so much since when PSP was originally developed, that to not use tools like intellisense that were created to aid developers is just backward. Its true, that since the course they have had someone visit from the SEI, and tell us that we only need to take what we need from the principles of PSP, but this should have been made clear on the course. my curiosity was piqued with the talk of Agile methods, but I'm beginning to get more and more jaded with all these different approaches and Magic bullets that promise quicker software turnaround with fewer bugs. I like the idea of softies being craftsmen, and the trade taking a while to learn to make code truly exceptional quality code, as opposed to large scale Flat pack, knock 'em out quick approaches. A Tad romanticized, perhaps, but an altogether more attractive proposition ;)
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Lol. I guess that there isn't a seriously good tool out there yet for much larger scale operations yet then. Where I work we have Teams using TSP and the associated spreadsheet in conjunction with the Dashboard, and a few softies have attempted to craft line counters...I'm not sure but I guess they must have standardized on one. We do hear a lot of complaints about it from the teams, but the company has paid a lot of money to train its engineers in the principles of PSP and TSP, so I guess they are going to persist with it. Fortunately for me, I am currently working on a lot of Custom projects as a team of one, so I have elected to just stick to the basic principals of Software Dev. I remember when taking the course, we were encouraged to disable intellisense, not hit the compile button until reviewing the code, and to record even the smallest defects, such as missing semicolons. To me, that just seems like a way to create false impressions of high defect rates on projects. Modern IDEs and compilers have moved on so much since when PSP was originally developed, that to not use tools like intellisense that were created to aid developers is just backward. Its true, that since the course they have had someone visit from the SEI, and tell us that we only need to take what we need from the principles of PSP, but this should have been made clear on the course. my curiosity was piqued with the talk of Agile methods, but I'm beginning to get more and more jaded with all these different approaches and Magic bullets that promise quicker software turnaround with fewer bugs. I like the idea of softies being craftsmen, and the trade taking a while to learn to make code truly exceptional quality code, as opposed to large scale Flat pack, knock 'em out quick approaches. A Tad romanticized, perhaps, but an altogether more attractive proposition ;)
Member 4593559 wrote:
we were encouraged to disable intellisense, not hit the compile button until reviewing the code, and to record even the smallest defects, such as missing semicolons.
Forget disabling intellisense. Like I had mentioned, counting missing semicolons is kind of pointless since it does not affect the end product. You don't see software having updates in the binary because someone forgot a semicolon. The compiler catches that before the customer/client even sees the deliverables.
Member 4593559 wrote:
To me, that just seems like a way to create false impressions of high defect rates on projects
I agree. Just like any other kind of metric, you can get someone who misconstrues it or fudges it around to look better or worse that it really is.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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It was broken by Mustafa first... You can't blame him. ;)