Apple more closed than Microsoft
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Yes, because some people have no self-awareness whatsoever, and things need to be pointed out to them in black and white ie: that A$ has always been even more corporate and proprietary (and expensive) than M$ and they should get off their self-righteous high horse.
David Lockwood wrote:
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Shouldn't that be "A$$"?
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David Lockwood wrote:
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Shouldn't that be "A$$"?
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Yeah, people bashing MS are just not aware of how worse things would have been without it.
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Yes, they are, and it's frustrating. iPhone development under the NDA was a nightmare. It cost us a good month in dev time. But, having a closed system is perhaps why Macs are so much nicer than PCs. Although I don't see how it would explain why OSX is so much nicer than Windows, excepting that I suspect that bad drivers are the cause of a lot of windows issues, and Apple have more control over that stuff ( which is also a reason why their stuff costs more )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Yes, they are, and it's frustrating. iPhone development under the NDA was a nightmare. It cost us a good month in dev time. But, having a closed system is perhaps why Macs are so much nicer than PCs. Although I don't see how it would explain why OSX is so much nicer than Windows, excepting that I suspect that bad drivers are the cause of a lot of windows issues, and Apple have more control over that stuff ( which is also a reason why their stuff costs more )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
I suspect that bad drivers are the cause of a lot of windows issues, and Apple have more control over that stuff ( which is also a reason why their stuff costs more )
Excellent point. It should be so much easier to make a solid, reliable system if you control everything instead of trying to run on anything and everything.
BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere
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Yes, they are, and it's frustrating. iPhone development under the NDA was a nightmare. It cost us a good month in dev time. But, having a closed system is perhaps why Macs are so much nicer than PCs. Although I don't see how it would explain why OSX is so much nicer than Windows, excepting that I suspect that bad drivers are the cause of a lot of windows issues, and Apple have more control over that stuff ( which is also a reason why their stuff costs more )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Well one companies drivers were bad enough that they forced MS to make a major change to how the audio subsystem worked in vista to keep them from being able to BSOD the OS (Creative labs). I've seen (but never with an official citation) the statement that 80% of the BSODs in vista SP1 have been due to nVidia mobo drivers. If the percentage really is that high it would go a long way to explaining why Intel stonewalled nVidia's attempts to license the QPI bus preventing them from being able to make full chipsets for LGA1366 Core I7 processors. The DMI bus linking the north and south bridges is unchanged so NV still can make southbridge chips, and will be able to make monolithic chipsets for budget LGA1160 and mobile Core i7's due out next year (these lesser models have the remaining north bridge functionality moved onto the CPU die).
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It doesn't but typically MS bashers accuse it of everything under the sun including this.
Kevin
There is lower than Sun?
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And I would imagine Jobs and Co. would have to concede that its the reason why Microsoft enjoy the market share that they do. I remember helping out a mate of my dad at a trade show when I was 10-ish and the first Macs were appearing. The buzz was amazing and I remember thinking then and there that all these PCs were dead in the water. Massive mistake to be so closed shop, but you live and learn (except they apparantly don't). The reason I didn't buy an iPhone was the fact that I had a single carrier available in the UK and being in the wilds of Scotland the reception is poor on that network. Just madness.
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
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And I would imagine Jobs and Co. would have to concede that its the reason why Microsoft enjoy the market share that they do. I remember helping out a mate of my dad at a trade show when I was 10-ish and the first Macs were appearing. The buzz was amazing and I remember thinking then and there that all these PCs were dead in the water. Massive mistake to be so closed shop, but you live and learn (except they apparantly don't). The reason I didn't buy an iPhone was the fact that I had a single carrier available in the UK and being in the wilds of Scotland the reception is poor on that network. Just madness.
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
SimonRigby wrote:
I would imagine Jobs and Co. would have to concede that its the reason why Microsoft enjoy the market share that they do.
Interestingly there have been a few occasions in the past when Microsoft virtually invited competitors to crush them. The competitors spurned the offer and MS turned round and "crushed" them instead. Gates is only generous once.
Kevin
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Christian Graus wrote:
I suspect that bad drivers are the cause of a lot of windows issues, and Apple have more control over that stuff ( which is also a reason why their stuff costs more )
Excellent point. It should be so much easier to make a solid, reliable system if you control everything instead of trying to run on anything and everything.
BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere
i'm thinking by being in control, they seem to be the first 64-bit OS to be mainstream (I'm assuming here that 32-bit Vista is more common than 64-bit Vista and the same for most Linux distros?). And 64-bit without too much compatibility problems (or am I wrong here) compared to the other OS's.
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but on the other hand, from a coder's point of view, i wish Microsoft would include the GNU toolchain as well as the Unix scripting environment, e.g. bash/Ruby/Python/Perl, just like XCode does. trying to convert Visual C++ to run on Unix-like systems can be quite difficult.
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but on the other hand, from a coder's point of view, i wish Microsoft would include the GNU toolchain as well as the Unix scripting environment, e.g. bash/Ruby/Python/Perl, just like XCode does. trying to convert Visual C++ to run on Unix-like systems can be quite difficult.
i also like the idea that MPI is built into Mac OS X as well as associated math libraries for FFTs, BLAS, LAPACK... out of the box. i *think* i can get that same out of the box experience from Microsoft, if i have Windows Compute Cluster Server (which apparently isn't free) which will mean having to install all the stuff myself. Although, Apple may be more closed than Microsoft in certain areas, there are other areas where Microsoft has yet to catch up. Of course, the least closed source systems are Linux-based. i also noticed the Unix core of Mac OS X is open source, and so is the WebKit rendering engine for Safari.