Vista SP2
-
-
I've started to cry... I don't know why, but my eyes are full of tears... Then I've seen that it is only a beta and that it will take probably until April to launch the complete SP, but anyway... I'm searching for a handkerchief.
-
Unfortunately nothing in that service pack appears to address the fundamental issue that annoys me the most about vista: horrible shell performance. While it's true that apps can run faster under Vista than any other windows before it thanks to some of the optimizations, they absolutely destroyed the shell performance wise. I can start a windows xp virtual machine *inside* a Vista host operating system and get an incredibly more responsive explorer and general shell UI. I can copy a 15mb file in the blink of an eye inside the virtual xp to our server and the same exact file outside the vm in Vista takes enough time to have a drink of my coffee and sit there and ponder just what exactly it thinks it's doing and how could microsoft fuck up something so important and basic. Also the shell seems to be completely locked by lengthy disk operations, try copying a 4gb file in Vista on the same drive from one place to another and while it's copying try to do *anything* else with the computer. Same thing, in a virtual XP inside Vista the same operation can run in the background while it happily lets you run another application or copy other files. It's mystifying. I'm not a Vista hater, I think they made a lot of good aspects to it, but they broke some fundamentally important ones and the shell is the worst because the slow and unresponsive shell makes the whole operating system feel slower. This news of the service pack that doesn't address these fundamental issues gives me the feeling that Vista is all but abandoned by Microsoft and I hope windows 7 lives up to it's promises.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
-
Unfortunately nothing in that service pack appears to address the fundamental issue that annoys me the most about vista: horrible shell performance. While it's true that apps can run faster under Vista than any other windows before it thanks to some of the optimizations, they absolutely destroyed the shell performance wise. I can start a windows xp virtual machine *inside* a Vista host operating system and get an incredibly more responsive explorer and general shell UI. I can copy a 15mb file in the blink of an eye inside the virtual xp to our server and the same exact file outside the vm in Vista takes enough time to have a drink of my coffee and sit there and ponder just what exactly it thinks it's doing and how could microsoft fuck up something so important and basic. Also the shell seems to be completely locked by lengthy disk operations, try copying a 4gb file in Vista on the same drive from one place to another and while it's copying try to do *anything* else with the computer. Same thing, in a virtual XP inside Vista the same operation can run in the background while it happily lets you run another application or copy other files. It's mystifying. I'm not a Vista hater, I think they made a lot of good aspects to it, but they broke some fundamentally important ones and the shell is the worst because the slow and unresponsive shell makes the whole operating system feel slower. This news of the service pack that doesn't address these fundamental issues gives me the feeling that Vista is all but abandoned by Microsoft and I hope windows 7 lives up to it's promises.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
John C wrote:
I hope windows 7 lives up to it's promises
Just as it turns out that -- contrary to the marketing hype at the time of release -- Vista was not actually built from the ground up to be the most responsive OS to date I doubt that the marketing hype around Windows 7 is believable.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
Unfortunately nothing in that service pack appears to address the fundamental issue that annoys me the most about vista: horrible shell performance. While it's true that apps can run faster under Vista than any other windows before it thanks to some of the optimizations, they absolutely destroyed the shell performance wise. I can start a windows xp virtual machine *inside* a Vista host operating system and get an incredibly more responsive explorer and general shell UI. I can copy a 15mb file in the blink of an eye inside the virtual xp to our server and the same exact file outside the vm in Vista takes enough time to have a drink of my coffee and sit there and ponder just what exactly it thinks it's doing and how could microsoft fuck up something so important and basic. Also the shell seems to be completely locked by lengthy disk operations, try copying a 4gb file in Vista on the same drive from one place to another and while it's copying try to do *anything* else with the computer. Same thing, in a virtual XP inside Vista the same operation can run in the background while it happily lets you run another application or copy other files. It's mystifying. I'm not a Vista hater, I think they made a lot of good aspects to it, but they broke some fundamentally important ones and the shell is the worst because the slow and unresponsive shell makes the whole operating system feel slower. This news of the service pack that doesn't address these fundamental issues gives me the feeling that Vista is all but abandoned by Microsoft and I hope windows 7 lives up to it's promises.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
Yes, and all the tricks, tips and hints that you can find in the Internet are at least not useful... You can: - Disable the receive window auto tuning. - Disable the differential compression. - Turn off windows search. - Turn off indexing services. - Disable Thumbnail preview. - Turn off IPv6 support. - Update some drivers... Nothing works... simply it is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. I hate that... I can see that the maximum speed that my network transfers achieve is 20 MB/s. This is utterly stupid in 1GB environment... :sigh:
-
Yes, and all the tricks, tips and hints that you can find in the Internet are at least not useful... You can: - Disable the receive window auto tuning. - Disable the differential compression. - Turn off windows search. - Turn off indexing services. - Disable Thumbnail preview. - Turn off IPv6 support. - Update some drivers... Nothing works... simply it is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. I hate that... I can see that the maximum speed that my network transfers achieve is 20 MB/s. This is utterly stupid in 1GB environment... :sigh:
I cooked it's goose by creating two VMWare virtual machines with xp, one for development and one for personal and once they were ready I wiped Vista and replaced it with windows server 2003 64bit. Works great. Now I'm just installing Ubuntu 64 on a separate partition to see if it's faster as the host os for my vm's. I can always load vista on a VM for testing, I've put in a couple of years using it for my main development station and learned all I needed to about security and development under Vista, time to put it away now.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
-
I've started to cry... I don't know why, but my eyes are full of tears... Then I've seen that it is only a beta and that it will take probably until April to launch the complete SP, but anyway... I'm searching for a handkerchief.
Joan Murt wrote:
Then I've seen that it is only a beta and that it will take probably until April to launch the complete SP, but anyway... I'm searching for a handkerchief.
Vista SP2 isn't much more than a rollup of hotfixes and security patches.
Todd Smith
-
IT'S A BETA - DO NOT INSTALL IT. Wait for the final beta that they try to pass off as the official release.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
-----
"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Joan Murt wrote:
Then I've seen that it is only a beta and that it will take probably until April to launch the complete SP, but anyway... I'm searching for a handkerchief.
Vista SP2 isn't much more than a rollup of hotfixes and security patches.
Todd Smith
Did you even read the announcement?
-
Did you even read the announcement?
Name one of those features I should be excited about. And most of those "features" of SP2 are bug fixes.
Todd Smith