vbproject.com? Err... codeproject.com
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Can someone tell me the significance of naming this site as vbproject.com when this site is intended for VC++,ASP,C etc . :confused: :confused: :confused: Visual Basic programmer. -------------------------------------------------- Share your thoughts..
No hidden plans here. When CodeProject was established we tried to think of every way that a Cyber-squatter might try to capitalize on the code project name, and so we registered a very long list of *project.com names. They may never get used. If you really want to get your alarm bells ringing, try this one :) http://www.javaproject.com -- David
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Sorry,I am very much comfortable with Visual Basic,and I don't have any ambition to convert to a C++ programmer.Your statement is absolutely rediculous that we cannot produce good programmes using VB. X| Visual Basic programmer. -------------------------------------------------- Share your thoughts..
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Sorry,I am very much comfortable with Visual Basic,and I don't have any ambition to convert to a C++ programmer.Your statement is absolutely rediculous that we cannot produce good programmes using VB. X| Visual Basic programmer. -------------------------------------------------- Share your thoughts..
ummm lighten up bud we're not all bad here on the dark side are we? ;) --- "every year we invent better idiot proof systems and every year they invent better idiots"
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You're deep in enemy territory here.... The statement was that there doesn't seem to be a push towards good VB programs, and I agree. The web is full of *bad* VB programs being released by bedroom programmers. There is no doubt you *could* write a program that runs well in VB, the point is that most of your brethren *aren't*. And why would they - people who want to write powerful, efficient code move to C++. I have a friend who *has* to write frontends in VB for work, and he is constantly telling me how bad it is. He is no C++ zealot, he is also proficient in and happy with Java. But VB is just beyond the pale for him. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
And the world is full of *bad* C++ programs too, and hang on a second, it's full of *bad* Pascal programs, and *bad* COBOL programs, and the list goes on. Unfortunately, most of these other languages (including your so highly vaunted C++) just aren't used with the prevalence that VB is on the web, so therefore people see the VB programs and assume that VB is crap. Yes, it is easier to code VB than C++ - I actually see that as a good thing. I've been programming for the last 15 years, and a vast majority of that was in C, Pascal and COBOL. The last three years have been very concentrated in VB and I love it. Sure, there may be a couple of things that can't be done, but that hasn't stopped me from being part of a development team that has a retail, off-the-shelf, shrink-wrapped product written 100% in VB and it's up to version 4 too which makes it a very successful and mature product too. "most of your brethren aren't". Do you know how many VB programmers are out there? Do you know how many of them are actually GOOD versus BAD? Or do you see the bad ones because the exposure on the web is so obvious, while the good ones you don't notice, because like most good software - if it works as it's expected to then you assume it's just part of the system. And that's without considering whether you're looking at VBScript as opposed to VB or VBA when you do this "oh so scientific comparison". Your friend who is "forced" to write VB front ends - 1) Why does he do it then?, 2) Why does his company use VB instead of something that's "better"? 3) What's his justification in saying that it's "bad"? And the list could go on. And anyone who is happy with Java is not a windows programmer anyhow... Finally, the question does indeed remain - why have a secondary domain name of www.vbproject.com when the site so obviously is not for VB programmers, and any VB programmer who rears his head in here, instead of being welcomed, is continually slammed for using a "lesser" language. For those of us who are hardcore and professional enough, we just shrug our shoulders at the urbane and childish nature of you "superior" programmers. We then go back to our real world applications and get the job done... Man o man...:mad:
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You're deep in enemy territory here.... The statement was that there doesn't seem to be a push towards good VB programs, and I agree. The web is full of *bad* VB programs being released by bedroom programmers. There is no doubt you *could* write a program that runs well in VB, the point is that most of your brethren *aren't*. And why would they - people who want to write powerful, efficient code move to C++. I have a friend who *has* to write frontends in VB for work, and he is constantly telling me how bad it is. He is no C++ zealot, he is also proficient in and happy with Java. But VB is just beyond the pale for him. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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And the world is full of *bad* C++ programs too, and hang on a second, it's full of *bad* Pascal programs, and *bad* COBOL programs, and the list goes on. Unfortunately, most of these other languages (including your so highly vaunted C++) just aren't used with the prevalence that VB is on the web, so therefore people see the VB programs and assume that VB is crap. Yes, it is easier to code VB than C++ - I actually see that as a good thing. I've been programming for the last 15 years, and a vast majority of that was in C, Pascal and COBOL. The last three years have been very concentrated in VB and I love it. Sure, there may be a couple of things that can't be done, but that hasn't stopped me from being part of a development team that has a retail, off-the-shelf, shrink-wrapped product written 100% in VB and it's up to version 4 too which makes it a very successful and mature product too. "most of your brethren aren't". Do you know how many VB programmers are out there? Do you know how many of them are actually GOOD versus BAD? Or do you see the bad ones because the exposure on the web is so obvious, while the good ones you don't notice, because like most good software - if it works as it's expected to then you assume it's just part of the system. And that's without considering whether you're looking at VBScript as opposed to VB or VBA when you do this "oh so scientific comparison". Your friend who is "forced" to write VB front ends - 1) Why does he do it then?, 2) Why does his company use VB instead of something that's "better"? 3) What's his justification in saying that it's "bad"? And the list could go on. And anyone who is happy with Java is not a windows programmer anyhow... Finally, the question does indeed remain - why have a secondary domain name of www.vbproject.com when the site so obviously is not for VB programmers, and any VB programmer who rears his head in here, instead of being welcomed, is continually slammed for using a "lesser" language. For those of us who are hardcore and professional enough, we just shrug our shoulders at the urbane and childish nature of you "superior" programmers. We then go back to our real world applications and get the job done... Man o man...:mad:
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And the world is full of *bad* C++ programs too, and hang on a second, it's full of *bad* Pascal programs, and *bad* COBOL programs, and the list goes on. Unfortunately, most of these other languages (including your so highly vaunted C++) just aren't used with the prevalence that VB is on the web, so therefore people see the VB programs and assume that VB is crap. Yes, it is easier to code VB than C++ - I actually see that as a good thing. I've been programming for the last 15 years, and a vast majority of that was in C, Pascal and COBOL. The last three years have been very concentrated in VB and I love it. Sure, there may be a couple of things that can't be done, but that hasn't stopped me from being part of a development team that has a retail, off-the-shelf, shrink-wrapped product written 100% in VB and it's up to version 4 too which makes it a very successful and mature product too. "most of your brethren aren't". Do you know how many VB programmers are out there? Do you know how many of them are actually GOOD versus BAD? Or do you see the bad ones because the exposure on the web is so obvious, while the good ones you don't notice, because like most good software - if it works as it's expected to then you assume it's just part of the system. And that's without considering whether you're looking at VBScript as opposed to VB or VBA when you do this "oh so scientific comparison". Your friend who is "forced" to write VB front ends - 1) Why does he do it then?, 2) Why does his company use VB instead of something that's "better"? 3) What's his justification in saying that it's "bad"? And the list could go on. And anyone who is happy with Java is not a windows programmer anyhow... Finally, the question does indeed remain - why have a secondary domain name of www.vbproject.com when the site so obviously is not for VB programmers, and any VB programmer who rears his head in here, instead of being welcomed, is continually slammed for using a "lesser" language. For those of us who are hardcore and professional enough, we just shrug our shoulders at the urbane and childish nature of you "superior" programmers. We then go back to our real world applications and get the job done... Man o man...:mad:
> And the world is full of *bad* C++ programs too, and hang on a second, > it's full of *bad* Pascal programs, and *bad* COBOL programs, and the list goes on. To me it seems that there are much to many retarded apes playing at "hey, I know how to push the buttons - I'm a programmer". I've seen really huge amounts of BAD programs, LOUSY programs and ANNOYING programs. a) Program comes with an installation program - doesn't let me choose where to install - uses "c:\program files" even if my non-english windows version is using something else (this happens mostly with InstallShield-generated installers) - program fucks up the %systemroot%\system or system32 directory by copying old DLL files - program does NOT offer a way to get rid of it - program clobbers up some other directories than the intended installation base directory since it is thought to be omnipotent or whatever (creates %programs%\shared\NerdCompany - directory even when there is nothing to share) b) Program has an awful user interface - big clumsy toolbar designed by an inebriate lifeform, where it is virtually impossible to gleam the toolbar buttons meaning from the image on them - Offers resizing of the main window but does not resize anything else (mainly seen on VB dialog apps - what you get is a large grey area or cut-off dialog elements) - Uses inappropriately small dialog elements that can't even display their content - uses color and "skinning" technologies with no apparent purpose - has user interface elements that are nearly invisible and difficult to hit when pointing the mouse at them (WinAmp has some buttons that seem to be 2x2 pixels 'big') c) Program crashes (no further details necessary) d) Program fucks up the system - plays with file associations and therefore damages everything else - installs unneccessary drivers and fucks up other drivers e) Program uses obsolete/unneccesary techniques - Program uses VxD (hence does only run on pseudo-Windows 95/98/Me) - Program insists on using the latest DirectX version just to display a bitmap This list can surely be continued ...
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Sorry,I am very much comfortable with Visual Basic,and I don't have any ambition to convert to a C++ programmer.Your statement is absolutely rediculous that we cannot produce good programmes using VB. X| Visual Basic programmer. -------------------------------------------------- Share your thoughts..
Sorry,I am very much comfortable with Visual Basic,and I don't have any ambition to convert to a C++ programmer.Your statement is absolutely rediculous that we cannot produce good programmes using VB. X| Forget about her, It's only for one night ;) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
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No hidden plans here. When CodeProject was established we tried to think of every way that a Cyber-squatter might try to capitalize on the code project name, and so we registered a very long list of *project.com names. They may never get used. If you really want to get your alarm bells ringing, try this one :) http://www.javaproject.com -- David
>>If you really want to get your alarm bells ringing, try this one :) >>http://www.javaproject.com My GOD! X| :eek: And i thought that I was a sinner just because i wrote a servlet once... >>and so we registered a very long list of *project.com names. You still hiding the hole truth here. You forgot to mention the code*.com list, like http://www.codetools.com :rolleyes: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
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Hey Chistian Last time I made a remark about VB, all the closet VB programers come out and gave a good telling off, tee heh, I was soooo scared. And the I guy who has responded to this thread is a prime example. VB has has no place here.
It's time to grow up. Visual Basic is a language like any other, it's the programmer who determines if what is created is good or bad. Besides, everyone knows that: C/C++ is just a crutch used by programmers who can't program in Assembly. Assembly is a crutch used by programmers who can't program Machine Language. (I am NOT a VB programmer)