User input
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By far that is the area that has to be the worst. it is also the area you put the most error checking into.
It is the area that no matter how clever you are at working out any kind of exception, some moron becomes a genius and works out how to circumvent it!
------------------------------------ America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. Oscar Wilde
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By far that is the area that has to be the worst. it is also the area you put the most error checking into.
Not only input but also user laziness (don't know if that's a word) Yesterday I had one off those age old discussions with my boss. When deleting a record/file/... is it enough to just display 1 warning message (with a yes and no button, you know the one 'Are you sure you want to...'). My argument/experiance is that users don't read these anyway so you could display 10 off them the users would just click without reading and the only thing you would create is frustration. Also alternating the answers doesn't work after a couple times the user knows them out off his head. So my boss suggested the following for fun(wich could work but is even more frustating). Force the user to enter the text 'read and approved' and the message displayed. And only if that matches enable the Yes or No buttons. Thought it was funny and clever (but as I said in the 'real' world no user is going to want to do this so...) [EDIT]correct typo thanks to Steve_Harris and Dalek Dave :) [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:11 AM
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Not only input but also user laziness (don't know if that's a word) Yesterday I had one off those age old discussions with my boss. When deleting a record/file/... is it enough to just display 1 warning message (with a yes and no button, you know the one 'Are you sure you want to...'). My argument/experiance is that users don't read these anyway so you could display 10 off them the users would just click without reading and the only thing you would create is frustration. Also alternating the answers doesn't work after a couple times the user knows them out off his head. So my boss suggested the following for fun(wich could work but is even more frustating). Force the user to enter the text 'read and approved' and the message displayed. And only if that matches enable the Yes or No buttons. Thought it was funny and clever (but as I said in the 'real' world no user is going to want to do this so...) [EDIT]correct typo thanks to Steve_Harris and Dalek Dave :) [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:11 AM
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
lazyness (don't know if that's a word)
No, it isn't. But laziness is.
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Not only input but also user laziness (don't know if that's a word) Yesterday I had one off those age old discussions with my boss. When deleting a record/file/... is it enough to just display 1 warning message (with a yes and no button, you know the one 'Are you sure you want to...'). My argument/experiance is that users don't read these anyway so you could display 10 off them the users would just click without reading and the only thing you would create is frustration. Also alternating the answers doesn't work after a couple times the user knows them out off his head. So my boss suggested the following for fun(wich could work but is even more frustating). Force the user to enter the text 'read and approved' and the message displayed. And only if that matches enable the Yes or No buttons. Thought it was funny and clever (but as I said in the 'real' world no user is going to want to do this so...) [EDIT]correct typo thanks to Steve_Harris and Dalek Dave :) [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:11 AM
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
Not only input but also user lazyness (don't know if that's a word)
It's not. LAZINESS!
------------------------------------ America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. Oscar Wilde
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Tom Deketelaere wrote:
lazyness (don't know if that's a word)
No, it isn't. But laziness is.
Beat me by a few seconds! :-D
------------------------------------ America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. Oscar Wilde
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Not only input but also user laziness (don't know if that's a word) Yesterday I had one off those age old discussions with my boss. When deleting a record/file/... is it enough to just display 1 warning message (with a yes and no button, you know the one 'Are you sure you want to...'). My argument/experiance is that users don't read these anyway so you could display 10 off them the users would just click without reading and the only thing you would create is frustration. Also alternating the answers doesn't work after a couple times the user knows them out off his head. So my boss suggested the following for fun(wich could work but is even more frustating). Force the user to enter the text 'read and approved' and the message displayed. And only if that matches enable the Yes or No buttons. Thought it was funny and clever (but as I said in the 'real' world no user is going to want to do this so...) [EDIT]correct typo thanks to Steve_Harris and Dalek Dave :) [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:11 AM
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
no user is going to want to do this
So don't give them the Option, enforce it upon them.
------------------------------------ America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. Oscar Wilde
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Not only input but also user laziness (don't know if that's a word) Yesterday I had one off those age old discussions with my boss. When deleting a record/file/... is it enough to just display 1 warning message (with a yes and no button, you know the one 'Are you sure you want to...'). My argument/experiance is that users don't read these anyway so you could display 10 off them the users would just click without reading and the only thing you would create is frustration. Also alternating the answers doesn't work after a couple times the user knows them out off his head. So my boss suggested the following for fun(wich could work but is even more frustating). Force the user to enter the text 'read and approved' and the message displayed. And only if that matches enable the Yes or No buttons. Thought it was funny and clever (but as I said in the 'real' world no user is going to want to do this so...) [EDIT]correct typo thanks to Steve_Harris and Dalek Dave :) [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:11 AM
Hey Tom, I've got a useful add-on to FF called a spell checker, which underlines in red words like lazyness...I can send you a link if you're interested... ;P
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Tom Deketelaere wrote:
no user is going to want to do this
So don't give them the Option, enforce it upon them.
------------------------------------ America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. Oscar Wilde
Yeah and see how fast they run to the competition :laugh: Would you do something like this everytime you wanted to delete a folder or file in the explorer?
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Hey Tom, I've got a useful add-on to FF called a spell checker, which underlines in red words like lazyness...I can send you a link if you're interested... ;P
Steve_Harris wrote:
I've got a useful add-on to FF called a spell checker
I had one of those at Hogwarts
------------------------------------ America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. Oscar Wilde
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Yeah and see how fast they run to the competition :laugh: Would you do something like this everytime you wanted to delete a folder or file in the explorer?
No, I would use a big piece of wood with a nail and some barbed wire and beat them into submission. Metaphorically of course. Once they had made serious errors through not reading, they will learn.
------------------------------------ America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. Oscar Wilde
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Not only input but also user laziness (don't know if that's a word) Yesterday I had one off those age old discussions with my boss. When deleting a record/file/... is it enough to just display 1 warning message (with a yes and no button, you know the one 'Are you sure you want to...'). My argument/experiance is that users don't read these anyway so you could display 10 off them the users would just click without reading and the only thing you would create is frustration. Also alternating the answers doesn't work after a couple times the user knows them out off his head. So my boss suggested the following for fun(wich could work but is even more frustating). Force the user to enter the text 'read and approved' and the message displayed. And only if that matches enable the Yes or No buttons. Thought it was funny and clever (but as I said in the 'real' world no user is going to want to do this so...) [EDIT]correct typo thanks to Steve_Harris and Dalek Dave :) [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:11 AM
Outlook does something like this when an application tries to send email on your behalf... it pops up a dialog box that has a timer on it that delays your ability to dismiss it using the OK\cancel button for 10 seconds. I guess they assume that since you are bored you will read it.
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Hey Tom, I've got a useful add-on to FF called a spell checker, which underlines in red words like lazyness...I can send you a link if you're interested... ;P
Don't use FF here, I use chrome (yeah really I do :) ) and that one has it too only one small 'bug' every word (or olmost every word) is underlined like that so...
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Outlook does something like this when an application tries to send email on your behalf... it pops up a dialog box that has a timer on it that delays your ability to dismiss it using the OK\cancel button for 10 seconds. I guess they assume that since you are bored you will read it.
Yeah but it's still no garentee, the user that knows this might just go and do something else while waiting for the button to enable. At least that's what I do :p
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No, I would use a big piece of wood with a nail and some barbed wire and beat them into submission. Metaphorically of course. Once they had made serious errors through not reading, they will learn.
------------------------------------ America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. Oscar Wilde
Dalek Dave wrote:
No, I would use a big piece of wood with a nail and some barbed wire and beat them into submission.
:laugh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Metaphorically of course.
I actually have a friend who did this after getting his new laptop with vista on it (in the very urly stages of vista). He got so frustrated off all the 'Are you sure' messages, he started beating on the thing
Dalek Dave wrote:
Once they had made serious errors through not reading, they will learn.
Actually they don't they expect us to magicly recover what they removed. :sigh:
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Yeah and see how fast they run to the competition :laugh: Would you do something like this everytime you wanted to delete a folder or file in the explorer?
The invented the recycle bin for such people. I turn mine off.
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The invented the recycle bin for such people. I turn mine off.
Yeah that works for the explorer and for the ones that don't know off shift delete. But what about a database (yeah I know backup's but still)
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Don't use FF here, I use chrome (yeah really I do :) ) and that one has it too only one small 'bug' every word (or olmost every word) is underlined like that so...
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
it too only one small 'bug' every word (or olmost every word) is underlined like that so
Are you sure the bug isn't in your spelling? :D Maybe you need to change the dictionary?
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Not only input but also user laziness (don't know if that's a word) Yesterday I had one off those age old discussions with my boss. When deleting a record/file/... is it enough to just display 1 warning message (with a yes and no button, you know the one 'Are you sure you want to...'). My argument/experiance is that users don't read these anyway so you could display 10 off them the users would just click without reading and the only thing you would create is frustration. Also alternating the answers doesn't work after a couple times the user knows them out off his head. So my boss suggested the following for fun(wich could work but is even more frustating). Force the user to enter the text 'read and approved' and the message displayed. And only if that matches enable the Yes or No buttons. Thought it was funny and clever (but as I said in the 'real' world no user is going to want to do this so...) [EDIT]correct typo thanks to Steve_Harris and Dalek Dave :) [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:11 AM
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Tom Deketelaere wrote:
it too only one small 'bug' every word (or olmost every word) is underlined like that so
Are you sure the bug isn't in your spelling? :D Maybe you need to change the dictionary?
:-O my mistake was still standing on dutch So this is the first test to see how my spelling is :) So far no red lines :-D
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Not only input but also user laziness (don't know if that's a word) Yesterday I had one off those age old discussions with my boss. When deleting a record/file/... is it enough to just display 1 warning message (with a yes and no button, you know the one 'Are you sure you want to...'). My argument/experiance is that users don't read these anyway so you could display 10 off them the users would just click without reading and the only thing you would create is frustration. Also alternating the answers doesn't work after a couple times the user knows them out off his head. So my boss suggested the following for fun(wich could work but is even more frustating). Force the user to enter the text 'read and approved' and the message displayed. And only if that matches enable the Yes or No buttons. Thought it was funny and clever (but as I said in the 'real' world no user is going to want to do this so...) [EDIT]correct typo thanks to Steve_Harris and Dalek Dave :) [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:11 AM
With my own machines I turn off all options that pester me like this and I no longer have any accidental deletions. While you know you can get stuff back from the waste basket or you'll be warned that what you are doing is stupid you don't concentrate on what you are doing and problems occur. I like to think of the guy in DiceMan who recommends that all cars should have a spike in the centre of the steering wheel and there'd be many fewer accidents. Unfortunately you'd end up with a bunch of lying whingebags if you unleashed this on a proper system complaining about how the system had miraculously stolen their data. You'd therefore need to replace the yes no dialogs with a screen capture app so that you could prove to them that it was their actions that was about to result in their dismissal and not a system failure ;-) Russ