Death blow to IE possibly?
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I'm not sure it is a threat to be honest. For the average home user Firefox just doesn't offer any advantages over IE - why download a new program to do exactly the same as something you've already got? I'm a computer professional and I don't see any advantages of Firefox over IE, by and large, and I prefer IE7.
The biggest thing for me is the extension system and the fact that I can have the same setup on different operating systems. I make it a point to install Firefox on every computer my relatives/friends show me. It's funny, some of them see the internet in internet explorer and think it is the internet. So in that case I just rename Mozilla Firefox to "Internet" :laugh:
// Steve McLenithan
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I am kind of wondering if this could be the beginning of the end for IE. Not that everyone will stop using it today, but maybe this will break big corporations love affair with IE along with generating momentum in the consumer area to move away from IE.. When you have much of the media telling you not to use IE and switch to another browser for awhile, that seems like it could be a serious blow. I know in the past we have had different threats that would cause people to turn off scripting, but when the security people say to not use it at all, that seems to be a much more serious blow. Does anyone know when Firefox will get a 64-bit version for Windows? :)
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Kyudos wrote:
For the average home user Firefox just doesn't offer any advantages over IE
Repaired any computers belonging to "average home users" lately? You'd be surprised the crap that still manages to attach itself, barnacle-like, to IE... Granted, FF is starting to garner some attention as well, but nothing like the sitting duck that IE has been.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
Repaired any computers belonging to "average home users" lately?
I haven't, but you are making my point exactly. The average home user needs someone who knows more than they do to tell them about Firefox. I'm sure they are quite happy to use it if it is there, but they are unlikely to go and get it for themselves.
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Shog9 wrote:
Repaired any computers belonging to "average home users" lately?
I haven't, but you are making my point exactly. The average home user needs someone who knows more than they do to tell them about Firefox. I'm sure they are quite happy to use it if it is there, but they are unlikely to go and get it for themselves.
Kyudos wrote:
I haven't, but you are making my point exactly.
What is your point, exactly? Rocky commented on "big corporation's love affair with IE" and the general trend away by savvy home users; you appeared to make the argument that FF had nothing to offer the latter. I pointed out that this is hardly the case, as IE presents an easy target for malware distributors, to which you reply
Kyudos wrote:
The average home user needs someone who knows more than they do to tell them about Firefox.
...a task which some of us are more than happy to do, since removing rootkits is not fun. So again, what's your point (other than that you, personally, don't much care to move beyond IE)?
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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The biggest thing for me is the extension system and the fact that I can have the same setup on different operating systems. I make it a point to install Firefox on every computer my relatives/friends show me. It's funny, some of them see the internet in internet explorer and think it is the internet. So in that case I just rename Mozilla Firefox to "Internet" :laugh:
// Steve McLenithan
Steve McLenithan wrote:
The biggest thing for me is the extension system
A lot of people seem to say that, but I personally have never been impressed with it. People say how great Greasemonkey is (for example), but really who gives a crap? I don't want to re-code the websites I visit...if I did, I wouldn't be visiting them because they'd p*ss me off. I'm not a web developer, so I don't need any webdev addons or anything like that. Guess I'm just a web browser, I prefer the rendering in IE... and I've yet to see an extension I couldn't live without (although I do like the gestures in IEPro when I don't have my home mouse, I can manage without it...)
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Kyudos wrote:
I haven't, but you are making my point exactly.
What is your point, exactly? Rocky commented on "big corporation's love affair with IE" and the general trend away by savvy home users; you appeared to make the argument that FF had nothing to offer the latter. I pointed out that this is hardly the case, as IE presents an easy target for malware distributors, to which you reply
Kyudos wrote:
The average home user needs someone who knows more than they do to tell them about Firefox.
...a task which some of us are more than happy to do, since removing rootkits is not fun. So again, what's your point (other than that you, personally, don't much care to move beyond IE)?
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
My point, I suppose, has also been made by others here, that yet another security issue with IE is not going to persuade vast flocks of home users to switch browsers. They don't know enough - or don't care enough. So hardly IE's death knell as the OP questioned. I wasn't really meaning to start a debate on IE vs FF, just pointing out that one more security flaw probably won't make much difference.
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My point, I suppose, has also been made by others here, that yet another security issue with IE is not going to persuade vast flocks of home users to switch browsers. They don't know enough - or don't care enough. So hardly IE's death knell as the OP questioned. I wasn't really meaning to start a debate on IE vs FF, just pointing out that one more security flaw probably won't make much difference.
Kyudos wrote:
My point, I suppose, has also been made by others here, that yet another security issue with IE is not going to persuade vast flocks of home users to switch browsers.
I don't doubt it - heck, i'm openly skeptical that it will even cause a majority of the (presumably tech-savvy) IT crowd to switch. But it's one thing to say that IE will continue to lead due to apathy and ignorance, and quite another to assert that alternatives have nothing to offer.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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I am kind of wondering if this could be the beginning of the end for IE. Not that everyone will stop using it today, but maybe this will break big corporations love affair with IE along with generating momentum in the consumer area to move away from IE.. When you have much of the media telling you not to use IE and switch to another browser for awhile, that seems like it could be a serious blow. I know in the past we have had different threats that would cause people to turn off scripting, but when the security people say to not use it at all, that seems to be a much more serious blow. Does anyone know when Firefox will get a 64-bit version for Windows? :)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
but maybe this will break big corporations love affair with IE along with generating momentum in the consumer area to move away from IE..
Not likely. This is yet another overblown-in-the-media security problem. I'm quite sure other browsers have just as big security flaws. It's just that nobody pays attention to those browsers because Microsoft didn't write them.
Rocky Moore wrote:
When you have much of the media telling you not to use IE and switch to another browser for awhile, that seems like it could be a serious blow
No, it's not. It's total irresponsibility on the part of the "journalist" by imparting his/her own views on the issue. BTW, the patch for this problem is due out tomorrow. My team already has a bunch of testing scheduled to make sure it doesn't screw up any of our apps before we deploy it. We should have it in production deployment by Thursday night.
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Kyudos wrote:
My point, I suppose, has also been made by others here, that yet another security issue with IE is not going to persuade vast flocks of home users to switch browsers.
I don't doubt it - heck, i'm openly skeptical that it will even cause a majority of the (presumably tech-savvy) IT crowd to switch. But it's one thing to say that IE will continue to lead due to apathy and ignorance, and quite another to assert that alternatives have nothing to offer.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Kyudos wrote:
I haven't, but you are making my point exactly.
What is your point, exactly? Rocky commented on "big corporation's love affair with IE" and the general trend away by savvy home users; you appeared to make the argument that FF had nothing to offer the latter. I pointed out that this is hardly the case, as IE presents an easy target for malware distributors, to which you reply
Kyudos wrote:
The average home user needs someone who knows more than they do to tell them about Firefox.
...a task which some of us are more than happy to do, since removing rootkits is not fun. So again, what's your point (other than that you, personally, don't much care to move beyond IE)?
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">Shog9 wrote:</div>since removing rootkits is not fun</blockquote> Tell me about it. I leave my home machine locked from the kids. Couple weeks back I left it open for just a day and got bitten by rootkit. Granted it was somehow got to the machine through the action of the kids, albeit, not fun getting rid of it.:mad: The irony is, I never use IE on my machine, only FF and for some reason the kids only run IE X|
Yusuf
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Rocky Moore wrote:
but maybe this will break big corporations love affair with IE along with generating momentum in the consumer area to move away from IE..
Not likely. This is yet another overblown-in-the-media security problem. I'm quite sure other browsers have just as big security flaws. It's just that nobody pays attention to those browsers because Microsoft didn't write them.
Rocky Moore wrote:
When you have much of the media telling you not to use IE and switch to another browser for awhile, that seems like it could be a serious blow
No, it's not. It's total irresponsibility on the part of the "journalist" by imparting his/her own views on the issue. BTW, the patch for this problem is due out tomorrow. My team already has a bunch of testing scheduled to make sure it doesn't screw up any of our apps before we deploy it. We should have it in production deployment by Thursday night.
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This is yet another overblown-in-the-media security problem.
True. Today's medias like to spread the fear more then news. X|
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Steve McLenithan wrote:
The biggest thing for me is the extension system
A lot of people seem to say that, but I personally have never been impressed with it. People say how great Greasemonkey is (for example), but really who gives a crap? I don't want to re-code the websites I visit...if I did, I wouldn't be visiting them because they'd p*ss me off. I'm not a web developer, so I don't need any webdev addons or anything like that. Guess I'm just a web browser, I prefer the rendering in IE... and I've yet to see an extension I couldn't live without (although I do like the gestures in IEPro when I don't have my home mouse, I can manage without it...)
Kyudos wrote:
, I prefer the rendering in IE.
If you were going to hold a competition on rendering alone, then IE loses hands down. Inept PNG handling (i.e. no transparency) alone is worth booting it, IMHO.
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You mean like the last time this happened, or the time before that, or the time before that, or the time before that, or the time before that......
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dan neely wrote:
You mean like the last time this happened
I do not recall a time that simply turning off scripting to did fix until a patch came out, forcing people to another browser.
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well, given than IE has no serious competitors, I'm guessing not.
No serious competitors? Oh so I guess Firefox's 20% is meaningless, :)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Does anyone know when Firefox will get a 64-bit version for Windows?
You mean like this: http://www.mozilla-x86-64.com/[^]?
Interesting.. Checking into it now :) Seems pretty speedy! Like IE 64, it is there quite quickly when you launch it. The name of it could give you pause though, "Minefield" :) It is also a pain to switch between the 32 bit version and the 64 bit version. Unlike IE, it does not allow both versions to run at the same time and it seems to open the last version you used regardless of firefox.exe you launch. Things could be better ;)
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modified on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:38 PM
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I am kind of wondering if this could be the beginning of the end for IE. Not that everyone will stop using it today, but maybe this will break big corporations love affair with IE along with generating momentum in the consumer area to move away from IE.. When you have much of the media telling you not to use IE and switch to another browser for awhile, that seems like it could be a serious blow. I know in the past we have had different threats that would cause people to turn off scripting, but when the security people say to not use it at all, that seems to be a much more serious blow. Does anyone know when Firefox will get a 64-bit version for Windows? :)
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: More Fog Today! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com
When I can expect to find my choice of something better on every Internet Cafe, Library, and family member's computer I might consider switching. When I sit down at a strange computer, I don't want it to be too strange. It's the same with a Dvorak keyboard; why learn it if I then have to know two layouts because I can't expect to find one on every computer I may need to use? Last year I was working on some XML/XSLT stuff and tested it on IE7, Opera, and Firefox. By default, Internet Explorer can't handle XSLT embedded in its XML data file, the others can. But that is not a big enough reason to switch and ask others to switch. I sure hope the next version gets it right... :~
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Kyudos wrote:
, I prefer the rendering in IE.
If you were going to hold a competition on rendering alone, then IE loses hands down. Inept PNG handling (i.e. no transparency) alone is worth booting it, IMHO.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
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I am kind of wondering if this could be the beginning of the end for IE. Not that everyone will stop using it today, but maybe this will break big corporations love affair with IE along with generating momentum in the consumer area to move away from IE.. When you have much of the media telling you not to use IE and switch to another browser for awhile, that seems like it could be a serious blow. I know in the past we have had different threats that would cause people to turn off scripting, but when the security people say to not use it at all, that seems to be a much more serious blow. Does anyone know when Firefox will get a 64-bit version for Windows? :)
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: More Fog Today! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com
Nah! The thing is if you buy fruit you can get the seed free, if you utilize the seed any way the fruit seller won't mind cause he didn't have to expense anything. And the tree would be happy because she got water and fertilizer for both the fruit and seed. Now, Think you are getting free seeds in some rehab programme. And what you will do when the crisis is over?
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<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">Shog9 wrote:</div>since removing rootkits is not fun</blockquote> Tell me about it. I leave my home machine locked from the kids. Couple weeks back I left it open for just a day and got bitten by rootkit. Granted it was somehow got to the machine through the action of the kids, albeit, not fun getting rid of it.:mad: The irony is, I never use IE on my machine, only FF and for some reason the kids only run IE X|
Yusuf
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dan neely wrote:
You mean like the last time this happened
I do not recall a time that simply turning off scripting to did fix until a patch came out, forcing people to another browser.
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: More Fog Today! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com
You're being to specific. It seems every other month or so we see another "OMG IE bug letz Ha><0rs pwn y00r PC" post and someone predicts it'll be the death of IE. Meanwhile the sheeple let IE rootkit them again and we have to clean up the mess. :doh:
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall