Obama's youth training. [modified]
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Christian Graus wrote:
Which means that all you know for sure is that the Grand Wizard told you this and you believe him.
That is an example of another thing that is crazy about this. Anyone who speaks out against obama is automatically a racist.
Well, to be honest, if you were willing to discuss your point of view, I'd be happy to discuss it with you. So long as you appear to be blinded by irrational beliefs with no shred of evidence, then you insult me, I'll insult you, b/c that seems to be all you're willing to entertain. You have actually admitted to being racist in the past, but I do agree that it's wrong to use the race card to deflect criticism. Obama should be as open to public criticism as any elected official.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Christian Graus wrote:
As far as I can see, you still have no proof, nothing to defend your view
You wont even look at the proof. You can't see the big picture, its just too complex for your pathetic little mind.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
its just too complex for your pathetic little mind.
Christian is able to make a very good living working from home. You just got fired from your job as a short-order cook and have no prospects of getting another job. This state of affairs is because he has a pathetic little mind while you have such a great mind and such a magnificent understanding of the universe - which of course you came up with while watching burgers sizzling on the grill. Do you also believe the earth is flat?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Christian Graus wrote:
Which means that all you know for sure is that the Grand Wizard told you this and you believe him.
That is an example of another thing that is crazy about this. Anyone who speaks out against obama is automatically a racist.
Piglet, you were a racist long before Obama came around. He's just your latest obsession.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Which means that all you know for sure is that the Grand Wizard told you this and you believe him.
That is an example of another thing that is crazy about this. Anyone who speaks out against obama is automatically a racist.
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SAme points as last time. Did Obama encourage this womans delusion ? How do you claim he benefits from it ? Do you claim that no Republican supporter is delusional ? However, you have to remember that your Klan buddies of yesteryear dragged people of colour forcibly to your country to do their hard labour and be their sex slaves. So, is it any wonder that such people are excited to see one of their number rising to the highest job in the country and hoping that this could signal the end of the prejudice and unfair treatment they have endured for generations ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
hoping that this could signal the end of the prejudice and unfair treatment they have endured for generations ?
I think the US is a country where minorities are treated quite decently compared to other places. How about a bush man elected to the presidency in Australia? Does that sound likely? Also it is true things happened in the past that are not accepted anymore following our standards of ethics for today, but back in those times, slavery was not only the american people's business. People from other countries actually had built profitable businesses for transfering human resources from Africa to America. And most of all, African people themselves were part of the business!! They eagerly captured men and women from nearby villages and sold them to the slavers for a profit! To my knowledge, the US has quite a number of laws, regulations and principles which already are meant to protect minorities and preserve diversity. These things are already built into the system.
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SAme points as last time. Did Obama encourage this womans delusion ? How do you claim he benefits from it ? Do you claim that no Republican supporter is delusional ? However, you have to remember that your Klan buddies of yesteryear dragged people of colour forcibly to your country to do their hard labour and be their sex slaves. So, is it any wonder that such people are excited to see one of their number rising to the highest job in the country and hoping that this could signal the end of the prejudice and unfair treatment they have endured for generations ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
So, is it any wonder that such people are excited to see one of their number rising to the highest job in the country and hoping that this could signal the end of the prejudice and unfair treatment they have endured for generations ?
If that is true why has there been no support for any number of highly qualified, competent and far more accomplished conservative black politicians from the African American community?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaAxmrAzeNI[^] Now that is obvious proof right there. There is your evidence you need Christan Grass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1EKBsPedo&feature=related[^]
modified on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:17 PM
those are some interesting auto-urls tax mr azn Cv1ek (probably russian) BS Pedo (related) but I think you're on the wrong board, especially since no one here will give you the time of day when your source is an anonymous 1st hand account, not a peer-reviewed 2nd hand account or journalistic.
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Christian Graus wrote:
hoping that this could signal the end of the prejudice and unfair treatment they have endured for generations ?
I think the US is a country where minorities are treated quite decently compared to other places. How about a bush man elected to the presidency in Australia? Does that sound likely? Also it is true things happened in the past that are not accepted anymore following our standards of ethics for today, but back in those times, slavery was not only the american people's business. People from other countries actually had built profitable businesses for transfering human resources from Africa to America. And most of all, African people themselves were part of the business!! They eagerly captured men and women from nearby villages and sold them to the slavers for a profit! To my knowledge, the US has quite a number of laws, regulations and principles which already are meant to protect minorities and preserve diversity. These things are already built into the system.
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
think the US is a country where minorities are treated quite decently compared to other places.
I would hope so, too. But, still, for this to be visibly true in such a meaningful way, must surely mean a lot ?
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
How about a bush man elected to the presidency in Australia?
A bush man ? We don't have a president, nor do we even get a say in who leads us, directly, which probably contributes to making the system more conservative.
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
People from other countries actually had built profitable businesses for transfering human resources from Africa to America. And most of all, African people themselves were part of the business!! They eagerly captured men and women from nearby villages and sold them to the slavers for a profit!
I know all of this.
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
To my knowledge, the US has quite a number of laws, regulations and principles which already are meant to protect minorities and preserve diversity.
Yeah, but, so what ? That doesn't change that the majority of people in prison, on death row, or generally in poverty, are black. Laws do not create fairness, they don't govern how people act day to day.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, is it any wonder that such people are excited to see one of their number rising to the highest job in the country and hoping that this could signal the end of the prejudice and unfair treatment they have endured for generations ?
If that is true why has there been no support for any number of highly qualified, competent and far more accomplished conservative black politicians from the African American community?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Because he's going for the top job, and he had better marketing. I'm not saying it's justified, or that there's no level of manipulation here. I'm just saying, people being deluded does not prove a conspiracy, unless you prove he set out to delude people, and if you prove his goal in doing so, was more than just getting to be President.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Because he's going for the top job, and he had better marketing. I'm not saying it's justified, or that there's no level of manipulation here. I'm just saying, people being deluded does not prove a conspiracy, unless you prove he set out to delude people, and if you prove his goal in doing so, was more than just getting to be President.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
You wouldn't know proof if it hit you in the face like a ton of bricks.
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You wouldn't know proof if it hit you in the face like a ton of bricks.
Shut up, retard.
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Pierre Leclercq wrote:
think the US is a country where minorities are treated quite decently compared to other places.
I would hope so, too. But, still, for this to be visibly true in such a meaningful way, must surely mean a lot ?
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
How about a bush man elected to the presidency in Australia?
A bush man ? We don't have a president, nor do we even get a say in who leads us, directly, which probably contributes to making the system more conservative.
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
People from other countries actually had built profitable businesses for transfering human resources from Africa to America. And most of all, African people themselves were part of the business!! They eagerly captured men and women from nearby villages and sold them to the slavers for a profit!
I know all of this.
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
To my knowledge, the US has quite a number of laws, regulations and principles which already are meant to protect minorities and preserve diversity.
Yeah, but, so what ? That doesn't change that the majority of people in prison, on death row, or generally in poverty, are black. Laws do not create fairness, they don't govern how people act day to day.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
That doesn't change that the majority of people in prison, on death row, or generally in poverty, are black. Laws do not create fairness, they don't govern how people act day to day.
Actually 57% of all those executed in the US since 1976 were white. Another 9 percent were Latino or "other." So blacks, instead of being a majority, are not even one-third of those executed. It's hard to say which comes first in terms of poverty, the chicken (race) or the egg (region). The South has as many people living below the poverty level (whites and blacks) as any two other regions (i.e. Northeast, Midwest, West). Countrywide there are as many Whites and Asians living below the poverty line as there are either Blacks or Hispanics. (i.e. it's a three way tie.) Data Source: U.S. Census, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2007, P60-235. Don't believe everything you read in "The Australian." There are, certainly, lots of reasons for blacks to celebrate the election of someone of mixed heritage. Just as Catholics took extra pride in JFK. But it should be noted that right now (according to what I heard on TV this a.m.), Obama has an 80% approval rating. If every Black (12% of the population) and every Hispanic (15%) is assumed to be in the approval category and also removed from consideration, he still would be receiving approval from a majority of the citizens of the United States. His election definitely is a milestone and one that is unlikely to be reached by Australia, the UK, or Canada in the near future. (I do agree that the parliamentary system is much more likely to work against equality in politics for minorities, as you said.) But, the U.S. is not the same country it was in 1960 or 1980. Race relations are anything but perfect (CSS being a perfect example of the kind of whiners who want to believe that being white gives them value) but believe it or not, there isn't a KKK meeting on every corner, even here in South Carolina.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, is it any wonder that such people are excited to see one of their number rising to the highest job in the country and hoping that this could signal the end of the prejudice and unfair treatment they have endured for generations ?
If that is true why has there been no support for any number of highly qualified, competent and far more accomplished conservative black politicians from the African American community?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If that is true why has there been no support for any number of highly qualified, competent and far more accomplished conservative black politicians from the African American community?
Because as far as you are concerned, support for Obama is prima facie evidence that they aren't conservative or qualified.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaAxmrAzeNI[^] Now that is obvious proof right there. There is your evidence you need Christan Grass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1EKBsPedo&feature=related[^]
modified on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:17 PM
Well for the first link, the North Koreans do it better. But with a little practice we can do it too.
MrPlankton
(bad guy)"Fear is a hammer, and when the people are beaten finally to the conviction that their existence hangs by a frayed thread, they will be led where they need to go."
(good guy)"Which is where?"
(bad guy)"To a responsible future in a properly managed world."
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Stan Shannon wrote:
If that is true why has there been no support for any number of highly qualified, competent and far more accomplished conservative black politicians from the African American community?
Because as far as you are concerned, support for Obama is prima facie evidence that they aren't conservative or qualified.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Christian Graus wrote:
That doesn't change that the majority of people in prison, on death row, or generally in poverty, are black. Laws do not create fairness, they don't govern how people act day to day.
Actually 57% of all those executed in the US since 1976 were white. Another 9 percent were Latino or "other." So blacks, instead of being a majority, are not even one-third of those executed. It's hard to say which comes first in terms of poverty, the chicken (race) or the egg (region). The South has as many people living below the poverty level (whites and blacks) as any two other regions (i.e. Northeast, Midwest, West). Countrywide there are as many Whites and Asians living below the poverty line as there are either Blacks or Hispanics. (i.e. it's a three way tie.) Data Source: U.S. Census, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2007, P60-235. Don't believe everything you read in "The Australian." There are, certainly, lots of reasons for blacks to celebrate the election of someone of mixed heritage. Just as Catholics took extra pride in JFK. But it should be noted that right now (according to what I heard on TV this a.m.), Obama has an 80% approval rating. If every Black (12% of the population) and every Hispanic (15%) is assumed to be in the approval category and also removed from consideration, he still would be receiving approval from a majority of the citizens of the United States. His election definitely is a milestone and one that is unlikely to be reached by Australia, the UK, or Canada in the near future. (I do agree that the parliamentary system is much more likely to work against equality in politics for minorities, as you said.) But, the U.S. is not the same country it was in 1960 or 1980. Race relations are anything but perfect (CSS being a perfect example of the kind of whiners who want to believe that being white gives them value) but believe it or not, there isn't a KKK meeting on every corner, even here in South Carolina.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Actually 57% of all those executed in the US since 1976 were white
OK, so it's only general prison population where it' a majority ?
Oakman wrote:
Don't believe everything you read in "The Australian."
*grin* I've heard this reported many times, but I don't read 'the australian'.
Oakman wrote:
he still would be receiving approval from a majority of the citizens of the United States.
Oh, I am sure he is approved of broadly. But the context here is a clip of a black woman who was hysterical about his chances of presidency. I was commenting on her specifically.
Oakman wrote:
there isn't a KKK meeting on every corner, even here in South Carolina.
I don't believe for a moment that racism is widespread, even in the south ( you're in South Carolina ? Lovely part of the world, I was there for a sales conference recently, sadly, I travel a lot of the US with my business partner at a pace that makes it worthless to try to find local CPians and hook up ). But, I am sure it exists underground, and find ready ears amongst the disenfranchised and plain hopeless, such as CSS. I don't even necessarily think he's a Klansman tho, although he's given me plenty of reason to believe he might be. I'm just resorting to broad insult b/c I am frustrated that he posts day after day, but cannot provide one shred of evidence to back up is claims, and more than that, that anyone would be dense enough to think that the snippets he posts from youtube constitute some sort of proof. Surely he has a resource that most losers do not have, in the opinions of the educated and intelligent people here. I don't expect him to kowtow to our brilliance, or anything dumb, but you'd hope if his issues are purely environmental, that some shred of logic or common sense would somehow get through to him
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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You wouldn't know proof if it hit you in the face like a ton of bricks.
Sure - just throw the insults. Apparently, you feel that this piece of wit and repartee qualifies as a response that proves you're right. However, until you can provide actual proof, what you're doing, is throwing your ignorance into sharp relief.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Oakman wrote:
Actually 57% of all those executed in the US since 1976 were white
OK, so it's only general prison population where it' a majority ?
Oakman wrote:
Don't believe everything you read in "The Australian."
*grin* I've heard this reported many times, but I don't read 'the australian'.
Oakman wrote:
he still would be receiving approval from a majority of the citizens of the United States.
Oh, I am sure he is approved of broadly. But the context here is a clip of a black woman who was hysterical about his chances of presidency. I was commenting on her specifically.
Oakman wrote:
there isn't a KKK meeting on every corner, even here in South Carolina.
I don't believe for a moment that racism is widespread, even in the south ( you're in South Carolina ? Lovely part of the world, I was there for a sales conference recently, sadly, I travel a lot of the US with my business partner at a pace that makes it worthless to try to find local CPians and hook up ). But, I am sure it exists underground, and find ready ears amongst the disenfranchised and plain hopeless, such as CSS. I don't even necessarily think he's a Klansman tho, although he's given me plenty of reason to believe he might be. I'm just resorting to broad insult b/c I am frustrated that he posts day after day, but cannot provide one shred of evidence to back up is claims, and more than that, that anyone would be dense enough to think that the snippets he posts from youtube constitute some sort of proof. Surely he has a resource that most losers do not have, in the opinions of the educated and intelligent people here. I don't expect him to kowtow to our brilliance, or anything dumb, but you'd hope if his issues are purely environmental, that some shred of logic or common sense would somehow get through to him
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't believe for a moment that racism is widespread, even in the south ( you're in South Carolina ? Lovely part of the world, I was there for a sales conference recently, sadly, I travel a lot of the US with my business partner at a pace that makes it worthless to try to find local CPians and hook up ).
Not to worry. Our society is actively working to make the US a beacon of new age moral rectitude by the aggressive elimination of all those who dare raise any question concerning the spiritual purifying certainty that we are all the same. In fact, our children are taught to chant that every day in school "We are all the same. We are all the same..."
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
Actually 57% of all those executed in the US since 1976 were white
OK, so it's only general prison population where it' a majority ?
Oakman wrote:
Don't believe everything you read in "The Australian."
*grin* I've heard this reported many times, but I don't read 'the australian'.
Oakman wrote:
he still would be receiving approval from a majority of the citizens of the United States.
Oh, I am sure he is approved of broadly. But the context here is a clip of a black woman who was hysterical about his chances of presidency. I was commenting on her specifically.
Oakman wrote:
there isn't a KKK meeting on every corner, even here in South Carolina.
I don't believe for a moment that racism is widespread, even in the south ( you're in South Carolina ? Lovely part of the world, I was there for a sales conference recently, sadly, I travel a lot of the US with my business partner at a pace that makes it worthless to try to find local CPians and hook up ). But, I am sure it exists underground, and find ready ears amongst the disenfranchised and plain hopeless, such as CSS. I don't even necessarily think he's a Klansman tho, although he's given me plenty of reason to believe he might be. I'm just resorting to broad insult b/c I am frustrated that he posts day after day, but cannot provide one shred of evidence to back up is claims, and more than that, that anyone would be dense enough to think that the snippets he posts from youtube constitute some sort of proof. Surely he has a resource that most losers do not have, in the opinions of the educated and intelligent people here. I don't expect him to kowtow to our brilliance, or anything dumb, but you'd hope if his issues are purely environmental, that some shred of logic or common sense would somehow get through to him
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, so it's only general prison population where it' a majority
Unfortunately, blacks are far more likely (7:1) than whites to commit crimes of violence. When they do, they are 3:1 more likely to use a gun than whites and 2:1 as likely to use a knife. A lot of this is because of the growth of youth gangs in this country. The Bloods and the Crips, two of the best know african-american street gangs, have somewhere around 50,000 members between them throughout the country. They are heavily involved with the drug trade as is the rival hispanic (Salvadorans, Hondurans, Guatemalans, and Nicaraguans) gang, MS13 which also has 50,000 members and a reputation for violence which I find worrisome. In spite of what you read, the police in this country do not stop investigating crimes if a DNA test show that the perp was white. However, some sort of perverted affirmative action program that limited the investigation and prosecution of violent crimes committed by black or hispanic gangs to some arbitrary percentage of violent white crime would be social suicide. The high ratio of blacks and hispanics in prison when compared to whites will only be reversed when/if we figure out how to handle the root causes of gang-related violence.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Christian Graus wrote:
OK, so it's only general prison population where it' a majority
Unfortunately, blacks are far more likely (7:1) than whites to commit crimes of violence. When they do, they are 3:1 more likely to use a gun than whites and 2:1 as likely to use a knife. A lot of this is because of the growth of youth gangs in this country. The Bloods and the Crips, two of the best know african-american street gangs, have somewhere around 50,000 members between them throughout the country. They are heavily involved with the drug trade as is the rival hispanic (Salvadorans, Hondurans, Guatemalans, and Nicaraguans) gang, MS13 which also has 50,000 members and a reputation for violence which I find worrisome. In spite of what you read, the police in this country do not stop investigating crimes if a DNA test show that the perp was white. However, some sort of perverted affirmative action program that limited the investigation and prosecution of violent crimes committed by black or hispanic gangs to some arbitrary percentage of violent white crime would be social suicide. The high ratio of blacks and hispanics in prison when compared to whites will only be reversed when/if we figure out how to handle the root causes of gang-related violence.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
In spite of what you read, the police in this country do not stop investigating crimes if a DNA test show that the perp was white
I've never read that, nor would I believe it if I did. People claim that ?
Oakman wrote:
The high ratio of blacks and hispanics in prison when compared to whites will only be reversed when/if we figure out how to handle the root causes of gang-related violence.
I've read and seen some shows on the sort of racism that still occurs, I am thinking of one show on how hard it is for a black person to get a cab to stop for them, for example. Trouble is, this sort of profiling happens for a reason, people are in prison for a reason, it's not just racism, I am sure, but a cycle that keeps perpetuating, a cycle which I am sure has it's roots in slavery, in that some people have never lifted themselves out of poverty, or have lifted themselves by illegal means. It's a tough nut to crack, that's for sure.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.