Is this true, Aadnan?
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Hmm, this is relatively liquid ground. Sufis are generally broken down into two large sects. One being simply overly religious, extremely pious and so on. Mainstream Islam consider them Muslims (regardless of their sect except for Baha'is, they are another story) The other are considered heretics, coming up with some of the strangest and illogical interpretations of the texts ( basically the Qur'an). These are the ones that make claims such as if you die a martyr you get n virgin wives. This is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an or the Hadith, its completely made up and it got swallowed by so many its disheartening.
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Interesting. So Sufis are the Muslim Catholics ?
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blackfin wrote:
Their (Muslim saints) teachings dispelled many superstitions of the Hindus and reformed their bad practices. Thereby Hindu religion of the olden times came to an end.
Did someone ever tell you that giving things out of context is pretty lame? I don't know the source so I can't comment on it. Do remember that NOT every book is a "Holy" book that one just refer it out of context.
blackfin wrote:
Is this true?
I don't think so. Maybe the guy wanted to write 1965
I agree - this claim without any support doesn't stand very well. However, I have to say that your general behaviour on these forums is the one that that would make me suspect that such a claim may in fact be true.
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Interesting. So Sufis are the Muslim Catholics ?
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I suppose that analogy can be drawn for the set of Sufis not considered heretics. The others [Sufis] are considered insane even by the Wahabi standards who are considered insane by everyone else. Then you have the Takfiris of which Osama bin Laden is one of their most prominent members/advocates. I don't have to tell you what the whole planet thinks of them, much less a Muslim that's not brainwashed.
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I agree - this claim without any support doesn't stand very well. However, I have to say that your general behaviour on these forums is the one that that would make me suspect that such a claim may in fact be true.
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OK.
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Did you verify the "fact" about the Pakistani textbooks, or just accept it as obvious truth?
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He wasn't trying to say that this was fact, he was asking if that's what's being taught in the Pakistani books
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Should not be surprising. Atleast I didn't read any such thing. All I read Pakistan lost its part in 71 war. May be they have changed it now. Even if they have then it should not surprising. I am sure Indian kids would not have read something like that Pakistan had given a tough time to Indians when they tried to invade Pakistan in 1965 war.
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Interesting. So Sufis are the Muslim Catholics ?
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Did you verify the "fact" about the Pakistani textbooks, or just accept it as obvious truth?
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Should not be surprising. Atleast I didn't read any such thing. All I read Pakistan lost its part in 71 war. May be they have changed it now. Even if they have then it should not surprising. I am sure Indian kids would not have read something like that Pakistan had given a tough time to Indians when they tried to invade Pakistan in 1965 war.
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He wasn't trying to say that this was fact, he was asking if that's what's being taught in the Pakistani books
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Oops! missed the point
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Oops! missed the point
C isn't that hard: void (*(*f[])())() defines f as an array of unspecified size, of pointers to functions that return pointers to functions that return void "Always program as if the person who will be maintaining your program is a violent psychopath that knows where you live." - Martin Golding
No worries, happens to all of us.
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I don't about the Pakistani educational system, but as a Muslim I can tell you that no personae is glorified as a saint in Islam and if anyone makes such a claim or glorifies someone, according to Islamic law they are to be rebuked and made to see the error of their ways.
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I wanted to point out about the Sufis, but Oakman has already done that for me. Some dargahs (the one at Ajmer is the only one I remember off the top of my head) are worshipped at not only by Muslims, but also Hindus.
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maybe my post wasn't very clear. i'm as skeptical about the indian media as any sane person would be. i was infact trying to verify if what i'd read was infact what is being thought in schools in pakistan
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BS. You were taunting Adnan. If you wanted to verify that assertion, you would have gone to a trustworthy source, which, on this issue, Adnan is not likely to be. Nothing wrong with that, lord knows I've taunted him often enough here, but at least have the guts to admit it.
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Rob Graham wrote:
Did you verify the "fact" about the Pakistani textbooks, or just accept it as obvious truth?
The "Times of India" says it is true[^], so it must be, right? :cool:
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I wouldn't buy it if the "NY Times" said it. I mean, just a randome sampling of Ilion's posts proves they are willing to lie (and call it "opinion").
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I wouldn't buy it if the "NY Times" said it. I mean, just a randome sampling of Ilion's posts proves they are willing to lie (and call it "opinion").
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I wanted to point out about the Sufis, but Oakman has already done that for me. Some dargahs (the one at Ajmer is the only one I remember off the top of my head) are worshipped at not only by Muslims, but also Hindus.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Some dargahs (the one at Ajmer is the only one I remember off the top of my head) are worshipped at not only by Muslims, but also Hindus.
That is interesting. So you're saying that the Hindus and the Sufis venerate the same Saint? Also, Muslims are not considered Muslim if they worship anything other than God. Its one of the pillars of the religion. They'd be considered blasphemers.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Some dargahs (the one at Ajmer is the only one I remember off the top of my head) are worshipped at not only by Muslims, but also Hindus.
That is interesting. So you're saying that the Hindus and the Sufis venerate the same Saint? Also, Muslims are not considered Muslim if they worship anything other than God. Its one of the pillars of the religion. They'd be considered blasphemers.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
So you're saying that the Hindus and the Sufis venerate the same Saint?
Yes. Also, I'm not an expert on the matter, but Sufism in India is a syncretic collection of beliefs. Here is another, more recent, probably more famous saint venerated by Hindus and Muslims alike (and Christians and Zoroastrians for good measure): Shirdi Sai Baba[^]
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BS. You were taunting Adnan. If you wanted to verify that assertion, you would have gone to a trustworthy source, which, on this issue, Adnan is not likely to be. Nothing wrong with that, lord knows I've taunted him often enough here, but at least have the guts to admit it.