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  • S Stan Shannon

    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

    Trust you are not suggesting that EVERY Muslim is a terrorist or a potential terrorist, as you could not be more wrong.

    It is absolutly meaningless to suppose anything one way or another on the issue. Their society, their culture, their religion is generating international terrorism. That is the issue, that is the only issue. I have absolutely no power at all to solve their problems. Only they can do that. All I can do is expect to be defended against their lunatics by what ever means necessary.

    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

    Just as wrong as MacArthy was in suggesting that those with left-learning tendencies were Communists.

    McCarthy was absolutey correct. The USSR had tremendous influence on both our government and other institutions and had for a very long time. He is one of my heroes.

    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

    You have Democrats and Republicans in your Senate. Some of them are die-hard Capitalists, but they are not ALL die-hard Capitalists so it would also be inappropriate to say that ALL Americans are die-hard Capitalists as that would be just as wrong as suggesting that all of Islam's followers are radicals.

    Are you comparing capitalism to terrorism?

    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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    Well Stan, looks like you did not read what I wrote. Only reading what you wanted to read while missing out the other details.

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      Hamas offered a cease-fire? You need some references for that one.

      Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.

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      leckey wrote:

      Hamas offered a cease-fire? You need some references for that one.

      They did, but essentially asked the Israelis to back them in a power play to take over the West Bank.

      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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      • S Stan Shannon

        Bob Emmett wrote:

        The Celts would be sent packing to the Iberian peninsular. Picts rule, OK!

        When the hell did that happen?

        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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        According to DNA mapping, about 6000 years ago. (Something I read 2 or 3 years ago.)

        Bob Emmett

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        • S Stan Shannon

          Bob Emmett wrote:

          Modern Israel is an invented country, arbitrarily imposed by the UN drawing a line on the map of Palestine, and largely populated by immigrants of the Jewish faith.

          An invented country that promotes western values and principles such as democracy and liberty. They are an avowed allie. To abandon them or to in any way weaken their position against a culture that has no respect for those principles would be the greatest betrayal of our civilization in all of history.

          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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          Stan Shannon wrote:

          promotes western values and principles such as democracy and liberty

          Plus socialism and communism. Which of the western values and principles did Zionist terrorists promote?

          Bob Emmett

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            According to DNA mapping, about 6000 years ago. (Something I read 2 or 3 years ago.)

            Bob Emmett

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            The celts left for Iberia 6000 years ago? The celtic culture didn't even exist 6000 years ago. DNA studies indicate the moden populations of north western europe remain basically the origianl aboriginal population. Besides, there is some doubt about who precisely the Picts were - they may well have been an early celtic people themselves.

            Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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              Stan Shannon wrote:

              promotes western values and principles such as democracy and liberty

              Plus socialism and communism. Which of the western values and principles did Zionist terrorists promote?

              Bob Emmett

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              Bob Emmett wrote:

              Which of the western values and principles did Zionist terrorists promote?

              If that was a problem it should have been dealt with than. It wasn't. The question is do we now abandon a nation that promotes our basic western political principles in the face of violent coercion?

              Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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              • S Stan Shannon

                The celts left for Iberia 6000 years ago? The celtic culture didn't even exist 6000 years ago. DNA studies indicate the moden populations of north western europe remain basically the origianl aboriginal population. Besides, there is some doubt about who precisely the Picts were - they may well have been an early celtic people themselves.

                Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                Stan Shannon wrote:

                The celtic culture didn't even exist 6000 years ago.

                OK, will you accept proto-Celts?[^]

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                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                  The celtic culture didn't even exist 6000 years ago.

                  OK, will you accept proto-Celts?[^]

                  Bob Emmett

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                  I thought you said the left for Iberia, not that they came from it which is something I have read before. Apparently there are some similarities between the DNA of the Basque people of modern spain and the "celtic" regions of the British Isles. I keep wanting to have my own DNA tested to determine where I fit in to all that.

                  Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                  • S Stan Shannon

                    Bob Emmett wrote:

                    Which of the western values and principles did Zionist terrorists promote?

                    If that was a problem it should have been dealt with than. It wasn't. The question is do we now abandon a nation that promotes our basic western political principles in the face of violent coercion?

                    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                    The question is do we now abandon a nation that promotes our basic western political principles in the face of violent coercion?

                    If we do, decades of Zionist terrorism; if we don't, decades of Islamist terrorism.

                    Bob Emmett

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                    • L Lost User

                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      The question is do we now abandon a nation that promotes our basic western political principles in the face of violent coercion?

                      If we do, decades of Zionist terrorism; if we don't, decades of Islamist terrorism.

                      Bob Emmett

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                      Bob Emmett wrote:

                      If we do, decades of Zionist terrorism; if we don't, decades of Islamist terrorism.

                      If the end result of Islamic terrorism is a democratic society, than we should also supprt them at that time. But somehow I don't think that is what they are fighting for.

                      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                      • O Oakman

                        Bob Emmett wrote:

                        Rome's supposed reliance

                        You think otherwise?

                        Bob Emmett wrote:

                        reality of the relationship was subservience to a greater power that had its own agenda

                        It might be worthwhile to note that the Eastern Roman Empire which thought of itself not as "Byzantine" but as Roman and which lasted intact throughout the dark ages and was not extinguished until 40 years before Columbus bumped into Central America on his way to India, spoke not Latin, but Greek. Greece, of course, was never a power, though Athens did briefly rule the Aegean. And yet its civilization not only influenced both the Macedonians and the Romans, but Britain and America, both.

                        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                        Oakman wrote:

                        You think otherwise?

                        Yes. Well, reliance would be too strong a word.

                        Oakman wrote:

                        Eastern Roman Empire which thought of itself not as "Byzantine" but as Roman ... spoke not Latin, but Greek.

                        Or even as the Eastern Roman Empire. It is common with Empires that daily affairs are conducted in the local language, while the elite are also fluent in the language of Empire. (I would love to have seen the Romans trying to impose Latin on each conquered nation in turn. We haven't been able to eradicate the British language, and Wales is just next door, and isn't even a separate country.)

                        Bob Emmett

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                        • S Stan Shannon

                          I thought you said the left for Iberia, not that they came from it which is something I have read before. Apparently there are some similarities between the DNA of the Basque people of modern spain and the "celtic" regions of the British Isles. I keep wanting to have my own DNA tested to determine where I fit in to all that.

                          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                          Yeah, I'd like to, too. But it is low in my ( wife's :) ) spending priorities. We did have a TV program where very "English" people agreed to have their DNA mapped. The presence of Slavic or sub-Saharan ancestry, gave rise to some amusing responses.

                          Bob Emmett

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