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  • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

    I've become so disenchanted with windows as an OS that I've decided to switch to Linux on a full time basis and run windows off of a VM when I need to. I have 2 questions which I hope you guys have answers for. 1. Anyone know of a way I can make an image out of my whole harddisk? I can copy that to any of several external storage disks and use it from there. Or that's the plan anyway. 2. What's the best, least likely to crash VM on Linux to run Windows as a guest OS?

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    Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

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    Jim Crafton
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    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

    What's the best, least likely to crash VM on Linux to run Windows as a guest OS?

    None. Good luck. Although VMWare might be better, at least if you want to have the ability to take advantage of your video hardware.

    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

    I've become so disenchanted with windows as an OS that I've decided to switch to Linux on a full time basis and run windows off of a VM when I need to.

    While I share your pain, linux is *not* going to solve this. Unless you're talking about usage patterns that favor a command line experience, GUI's under linux are largely a nightmare hash. Oh, they look pretty enough at first glance, but they quickly expose all sorts of issues. If you're doing development on linux then prepare to be miserable. If you're wanting to use it for entertainment purposes, i.e. watching videos, listening to music, prepare to be greatly annoyed at having to deal with random sound loss, tracking down various common, useful, codecs that the freetards don't see fit to include by default, etc. Printing? Have fun. If you're just wanting to email and browse the web, you may be OK, but I still wouldn't really reccomend it. If you're genuinely curious about other operating systems and how they work, then by all means go for it, but if you're seeking a no-hassle tool, don't get your hopes up.

    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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    • R Russell Jones

      I use virtualbox from sun on my linux installs. Best thing i like about it is its seamless integration mode; this gives me a linux desktop with the gnome taskbar across the top of the screen and an xp task bar along the bottom. The apps run side by side on the desktop with the window decoration being provided by the OS that they belong to. I guess you should be able to take an image of your harddisk but you'd need to do all the things you normally have to do if swapping to a new MoBo/processor i would think. Maybe best asking on the appropriate forum for the visualisation package you decide to use. Which distro are you planning on moving to? Russ

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      Russell Jones wrote:

      Which distro are you planning on moving to?

      Well, that's the end of that little foray into Linux I guess. Once he settles on a particular distro, a dozen neckbeards will pop out of the woodwork and confuse him with fancy talk of 'other' distros that are still Linux but somehow magically better. Then the infinite loop of installing and reinstalling distros will begin. His ISP will cut him off for excessive bandwidth use and accuse him of being a pirate as he downloads each new distro via BitTorrent. At some point in the cycle, he'll realize that Linux is fun and all, but he's better off with an operating system that allows him to actually get work done, instead of tinkering with it all the time. With a bit of luck, this point will be right around the time Windows 7 appears and it will solve all of the problems he had.

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        Russell Jones wrote:

        Which distro are you planning on moving to?

        Well, that's the end of that little foray into Linux I guess. Once he settles on a particular distro, a dozen neckbeards will pop out of the woodwork and confuse him with fancy talk of 'other' distros that are still Linux but somehow magically better. Then the infinite loop of installing and reinstalling distros will begin. His ISP will cut him off for excessive bandwidth use and accuse him of being a pirate as he downloads each new distro via BitTorrent. At some point in the cycle, he'll realize that Linux is fun and all, but he's better off with an operating system that allows him to actually get work done, instead of tinkering with it all the time. With a bit of luck, this point will be right around the time Windows 7 appears and it will solve all of the problems he had.

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        Russell Jones
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        Was just asking! I'm interested in changing distros at the moment and was wondering which way he was heading. One great thing about linux is that it keeps your home drive on a separate partition if you've got it set up that way. During the install I tell a new version where my home drive is and on first start up most of my app settings, browser favourites etc are still present. I take your point though it can become a little bit of an obsession but the thing needs less tinkering than windows it's just somehow really tempting to tinker with it anyway. Russ

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        • J Jim Crafton

          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

          What's the best, least likely to crash VM on Linux to run Windows as a guest OS?

          None. Good luck. Although VMWare might be better, at least if you want to have the ability to take advantage of your video hardware.

          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

          I've become so disenchanted with windows as an OS that I've decided to switch to Linux on a full time basis and run windows off of a VM when I need to.

          While I share your pain, linux is *not* going to solve this. Unless you're talking about usage patterns that favor a command line experience, GUI's under linux are largely a nightmare hash. Oh, they look pretty enough at first glance, but they quickly expose all sorts of issues. If you're doing development on linux then prepare to be miserable. If you're wanting to use it for entertainment purposes, i.e. watching videos, listening to music, prepare to be greatly annoyed at having to deal with random sound loss, tracking down various common, useful, codecs that the freetards don't see fit to include by default, etc. Printing? Have fun. If you're just wanting to email and browse the web, you may be OK, but I still wouldn't really reccomend it. If you're genuinely curious about other operating systems and how they work, then by all means go for it, but if you're seeking a no-hassle tool, don't get your hopes up.

          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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          Russell Jones
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          Jim Crafton wrote:

          While I share your pain, linux is *not* going to solve this. Unless you're talking about usage patterns that favor a command line experience, GUI's under linux are largely a nightmare hash. Oh, they look pretty enough at first glance, but they quickly expose all sorts of issues. If you're doing development on linux then prepare to be miserable. If you're wanting to use it for entertainment purposes, i.e. watching videos, listening to music, prepare to be greatly annoyed at having to deal with random sound loss, tracking down various common, useful, codecs that the freetards don't see fit to include by default, etc. Printing? Have fun. If you're just wanting to email and browse the web, you may be OK, but I still wouldn't really reccomend it. If you're genuinely curious about other operating systems and how they work, then by all means go for it, but if you're seeking a no-hassle tool, don't get your hopes up.

          The codec issue can be a PIA especially when really obvious formats like mp3 don't play but i've found that once the restricted codec stuff is installed linux tends to play more videos than windows does by default. Printing etc is working really well in the most recent incarnations of the most popular linux distros. I've found Linux a much improved beast in my most recent foray into the world of the penguin, I agree though that in the years before it was often more a server tool or a curiosity than it is now. Russell

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          • D David Crow

            Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

            Ah! Faithful Ghost, possibly the one and only good thing that came out of Norton...

            I personally have never had any issues with any of Peter Norton's tools. Did you ever use any of his DOS-based tools? Those were cool (at the time).

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            DavidCrow wrote:

            I personally have never had any issues with any of Peter Norton's tools. Did you ever use any of his DOS-based tools? Those were cool (at the time)

            So they were, as were the books. I've still got mine.

            Henry Minute If you open a can of worms, any viable solution *MUST* involve a larger can.

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            • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

              I've become so disenchanted with windows as an OS that I've decided to switch to Linux on a full time basis and run windows off of a VM when I need to. I have 2 questions which I hope you guys have answers for. 1. Anyone know of a way I can make an image out of my whole harddisk? I can copy that to any of several external storage disks and use it from there. Or that's the plan anyway. 2. What's the best, least likely to crash VM on Linux to run Windows as a guest OS?

              Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful


              Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

              Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

              I now think of you as Mr. T! - Trollslayer

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              Joe Woodbury
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              Any time I get tired of Windows (which is admittedly rarely) I just use the Mac for a few minutes. Linux and Solaris are risky as a cure since they can cause a serious shock to the system. Another alternate is to wander over to the AS/400 group and watch them for 2-3 nanoseconds.

              Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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              • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                I currently use VirtualBox (I wrote VB first but then again I don't want any affiliation with VB, .NET or otherwise) to run Linux VMs but for some reason, it does nothing like a sheep that while chewing suddenly stares into the distance. Its also a serious memory hole. Most likely either Fedora, OpenSuse or PcLinuxOs. I'm entertaining the thought of buying VMware, I'm just not sure if they have a linux version.

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                Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

                Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

                I now think of you as Mr. T! - Trollslayer

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                Garth J Lancaster
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                sorry I didnt get back to you earlier (it was night here in Aus) .. and someone else may already have have clarified what I meant by VMware ESX .. VMWare ESX 'is' the o/s - its a Linux Kernel itself .. its sole function afaik is to host VM's so it may be a bit of a jump/leap for you 'g'

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                • J Joe Woodbury

                  Any time I get tired of Windows (which is admittedly rarely) I just use the Mac for a few minutes. Linux and Solaris are risky as a cure since they can cause a serious shock to the system. Another alternate is to wander over to the AS/400 group and watch them for 2-3 nanoseconds.

                  Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                  Joe Woodbury wrote:

                  the AS/400 group

                  Mmm... I have some nice OpenVMS fresh out of the oven. :-D

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                  • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                    I've become so disenchanted with windows as an OS that I've decided to switch to Linux on a full time basis and run windows off of a VM when I need to. I have 2 questions which I hope you guys have answers for. 1. Anyone know of a way I can make an image out of my whole harddisk? I can copy that to any of several external storage disks and use it from there. Or that's the plan anyway. 2. What's the best, least likely to crash VM on Linux to run Windows as a guest OS?

                    Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful


                    Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

                    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

                    I now think of you as Mr. T! - Trollslayer

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                    I take the evil I know over the evil I don't know.

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                    • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                      Not at all, its just that Windows sucks really badly. Also, I'm trying to expand my horizons because this summer I'm moving back home to Canada where *nix is certainly more in demand than here in Jordan

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                      Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

                      Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

                      I now think of you as Mr. T! - Trollslayer

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                      xtravagan
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                      What exactly sucks so badly?

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                        What exactly sucks so badly?

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                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                        The way it hangs up on me and just sits there idle until some signal alerts it to respond, how its so easy for things to break, its bulkiness. And I'm not talking about Vista.

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                        Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

                        I now think of you as Mr. T! - Trollslayer

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                        • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                          The way it hangs up on me and just sits there idle until some signal alerts it to respond, how its so easy for things to break, its bulkiness. And I'm not talking about Vista.

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                          Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

                          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

                          I now think of you as Mr. T! - Trollslayer

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                          xtravagan
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                          You sound like you have a very weird setup. And the issues you present are very abstract so hard to give any advice on. But all to his own. I run a little of all OS:es, but if there is one OS that has a tendency to easily break, it is my linux/ubuntu.

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