What would you like to see in an OS?
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A "source-safe-filesystem"! It'd be real sweet if I could 'mark' files to be saved with version-history. Meaning, the FS won't actually delete the file, but make a new one (transparent). Tortoise-SVN as an integral part of the OS, so to speak :)
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Yes! Bring back the VMS file system with user settable versioning. It wasn't on a file by file basis, as I recall, but you could set the number of versions to keep, and could always manually purge old versions. No fancy version tree required, just file.ext;version.
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With all the Lemmings that follow whatever the current mood is, I am sure we will hear a lot of anti Windows 7 stuff here soon since so many people on this Microsoft side of CP are anti-Microsoft (in what galaxy does that make sense?). Before that flood of dibble really gets going, for those that have any serious desires out of an OS, let me ask you all a question: Being developers, what would you like to see in an OS that is currently not there? With many things moving to a web world and the expansion of Web OSes, are there still things that would really make a major difference in a desktop OS? Maybe I have just been looked on the web world too long, but the desktop arena seems to be dying at a fast rate and they only thing that is really needed anymore is a host for a web OS. I am thinking that within the next 5-7 years the desktop OS will no longer exist. Thoughts?
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Cloud computing, SAAS and all the other dumb buzzwords for "let me rent you that on a remote box" are a bad ideas promulgated by greedy marketing departments looking for a new and better way to squeeze more money out of customers while delivering less. Security issues alone will cause it to be stillborn. The desktop OS is hear to stay, in one form or another.
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With all the Lemmings that follow whatever the current mood is, I am sure we will hear a lot of anti Windows 7 stuff here soon since so many people on this Microsoft side of CP are anti-Microsoft (in what galaxy does that make sense?). Before that flood of dibble really gets going, for those that have any serious desires out of an OS, let me ask you all a question: Being developers, what would you like to see in an OS that is currently not there? With many things moving to a web world and the expansion of Web OSes, are there still things that would really make a major difference in a desktop OS? Maybe I have just been looked on the web world too long, but the desktop arena seems to be dying at a fast rate and they only thing that is really needed anymore is a host for a web OS. I am thinking that within the next 5-7 years the desktop OS will no longer exist. Thoughts?
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I want less! I just want an updated Windows 3.11! I want to be able to boot to the command prompt with drivers installed (Mouse, Network, CD, USB, Sound, Printer, etc.) And then only start the GUI if I choose to. I spend most of my day (when not here) working in a DOS box; I don't need the GUI. I don't want file names to contain SPACEs. I don't want the system to overwrite my settings: if I say I don't want a bunch of "templates" on the context menu, then I don't flipping want a bunch of templates on the context menu! If I say I don't want an IE icon on my desktop, then I don't flipping want an IE icon on my desktop! When Windows starts I don't want the login screen until the system is fully ready. :mad: I'm severely peeved about this this week; I log in and try to start an app and it's a long time before the app starts, or I could wait that time and then when I start the app it starts right up. It's worse when my wife tries it; she's not as patient and understanding and starts clicking the icon several times. :sigh:
Rocky Moore wrote:
within the next 5-7 years the desktop OS will no longer exist.
I expect I'll still be running XP.
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A "source-safe-filesystem"! It'd be real sweet if I could 'mark' files to be saved with version-history. Meaning, the FS won't actually delete the file, but make a new one (transparent). Tortoise-SVN as an integral part of the OS, so to speak :)
I are troll :)
OpenVMS's ODS-5[^] is your friend - checkout the versioning system it's had for almost 20 years!
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Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Isn't that just the hibernate / restore that's been present since XP?
Yeah, but it doesn't persist between power cycles. If you turn your box off, it doesn't restore to the last powered-on state (with all of your applications running and at the same place they were when you powered off).
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Under the Windows security model, individual services are securable objects. It isn't defined as a standard "out of the box" OS group, but you could certainly create one.
I *know* you can create one (or at least something close), but IT people (you know, the guys that don't want ANYONE to have local admin rights on their own box) are much more acquiescent of allowing a role if it's pre-defined by the OS.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
They would do it anyway, objection or no objection. But all software I personally develop is free (and public domain whenever possible) anyway - and other software is not owned by me anyway so why should I care? But objecting to software being pirated wouldn't really hurt paying customers would it? So it's not as evil as HDCP by far. Edit: By the way, why do you even ask that? It's completely besides the point. The point is that HDCP hurt honestly paying customers. They should find a better way to battle piracy (or admit defeat. It's not like they're poor.)
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harold aptroot wrote:
other software is not owned by me anyway so why should I care?
So you don't care about things that don't directly affect you? Here's a specific question: Would you knowingly pirate commercial software? My defintion of 'pirate' in this case is to use the software in a manner not allowed by the software licence. It's a simple question - just give me a yes or no answer.
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OpenVMS's ODS-5[^] is your friend - checkout the versioning system it's had for almost 20 years!
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
MVS has had generation data groups for even longer.
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harold aptroot wrote:
other software is not owned by me anyway so why should I care?
So you don't care about things that don't directly affect you? Here's a specific question: Would you knowingly pirate commercial software? My defintion of 'pirate' in this case is to use the software in a manner not allowed by the software licence. It's a simple question - just give me a yes or no answer.
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With all the Lemmings that follow whatever the current mood is, I am sure we will hear a lot of anti Windows 7 stuff here soon since so many people on this Microsoft side of CP are anti-Microsoft (in what galaxy does that make sense?). Before that flood of dibble really gets going, for those that have any serious desires out of an OS, let me ask you all a question: Being developers, what would you like to see in an OS that is currently not there? With many things moving to a web world and the expansion of Web OSes, are there still things that would really make a major difference in a desktop OS? Maybe I have just been looked on the web world too long, but the desktop arena seems to be dying at a fast rate and they only thing that is really needed anymore is a host for a web OS. I am thinking that within the next 5-7 years the desktop OS will no longer exist. Thoughts?
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I want less! I just want an updated Windows 3.11! I want to be able to boot to the command prompt with drivers installed (Mouse, Network, CD, USB, Sound, Printer, etc.) And then only start the GUI if I choose to. I spend most of my day (when not here) working in a DOS box; I don't need the GUI. I don't want file names to contain SPACEs. I don't want the system to overwrite my settings: if I say I don't want a bunch of "templates" on the context menu, then I don't flipping want a bunch of templates on the context menu! If I say I don't want an IE icon on my desktop, then I don't flipping want an IE icon on my desktop! When Windows starts I don't want the login screen until the system is fully ready. :mad: I'm severely peeved about this this week; I log in and try to start an app and it's a long time before the app starts, or I could wait that time and then when I start the app it starts right up. It's worse when my wife tries it; she's not as patient and understanding and starts clicking the icon several times. :sigh:
Rocky Moore wrote:
within the next 5-7 years the desktop OS will no longer exist.
I expect I'll still be running XP.
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Wow. Admitting to software piracy on a software development message board. There's more than a few people who use this site who make their living from software, you realise?
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Wow. Admitting to software piracy on a software development message board. There's more than a few people who use this site who make their living from software, you realise?
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I want less! I just want an updated Windows 3.11! I want to be able to boot to the command prompt with drivers installed (Mouse, Network, CD, USB, Sound, Printer, etc.) And then only start the GUI if I choose to. I spend most of my day (when not here) working in a DOS box; I don't need the GUI. I don't want file names to contain SPACEs. I don't want the system to overwrite my settings: if I say I don't want a bunch of "templates" on the context menu, then I don't flipping want a bunch of templates on the context menu! If I say I don't want an IE icon on my desktop, then I don't flipping want an IE icon on my desktop! When Windows starts I don't want the login screen until the system is fully ready. :mad: I'm severely peeved about this this week; I log in and try to start an app and it's a long time before the app starts, or I could wait that time and then when I start the app it starts right up. It's worse when my wife tries it; she's not as patient and understanding and starts clicking the icon several times. :sigh:
Rocky Moore wrote:
within the next 5-7 years the desktop OS will no longer exist.
I expect I'll still be running XP.
Those are some of the worst ideas I've ever heard. Honestly. People talk about the 80s and early 90s as the glory days of computing. I remember those days too; they friggin' sucked. We take for granted that we don't have to fiddle with hardware IRQ resources before installing software or playing games. X|
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Rocky Moore wrote:
I am thinking that within the next 5-7 years the desktop OS will no longer exist.
I've spent most of my professional life working on systems hosted on desktop operating systems that aren't capable of being run in a web environment. These are process control systems that use real-time and near real-time methods for dealing with physical phenomena that can't wait for a response from a server that may never arrive. At that, we're ignoring data rates that would make the pipes coming out of Google rupture from the strain. Given how more and more processes are being automated and integrated into the business infrastructure, I can't see 'Big Iron' operating systems going away any time soon. Even if we change the name to a 'real-time programming environment' or somesuch, the features required will still be there. We still need a robust system to manage processes/tasks/threads, a file system, devices, and a user interface, all of which don't rely on a remote server.
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Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Isn't that just the hibernate / restore that's been present since XP?
Yeah, but it doesn't persist between power cycles. If you turn your box off, it doesn't restore to the last powered-on state (with all of your applications running and at the same place they were when you powered off).
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Under the Windows security model, individual services are securable objects. It isn't defined as a standard "out of the box" OS group, but you could certainly create one.
I *know* you can create one (or at least something close), but IT people (you know, the guys that don't want ANYONE to have local admin rights on their own box) are much more acquiescent of allowing a role if it's pre-defined by the OS.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Yeah, but it doesn't persist between power cycles. If you turn your box off, it doesn't restore to the last powered-on state (with all of your applications running and at the same place they were when you powered off).
Maybe you are thinking of "Sleep" mode. Hibernate mode does, save all your state to HD so that you power up and are exactly where you were before. I had a few issues years ago with this in XP but it has been quite reliable in Vista, I only have had it mess up once that I know of due to other issues, but there might have been one more time. Overall, I do not bother shutting down a system, only hit that key on my keyboard to hibernate. Also have set the power button in BIOS (IIRC), to issue a hibernate so that if anyone messes with it, the system hibernates instead of powering down ;)
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Remote resources are too unreliable. Your ADSL plays up, your PC is dead X|
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I agree, you cannot count on a connection, but much of the web OS is moving to allow a disconnected state where you have the ability to work and then sync upon reconnecting. This will probably be a major component in a base of a web OS.
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Cloud computing, SAAS and all the other dumb buzzwords for "let me rent you that on a remote box" are a bad ideas promulgated by greedy marketing departments looking for a new and better way to squeeze more money out of customers while delivering less. Security issues alone will cause it to be stillborn. The desktop OS is hear to stay, in one form or another.
Rob Graham wrote:
The desktop OS is hear to stay, in one form or another.
Here, but maybe of no real importance. That is, it seems that not long from now it will not matter what OS you run, the OS will at core be like a VM providing hosting of a Web OS providing most of the functionality. Of course, it is all speculation :)
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Those are some of the worst ideas I've ever heard. Honestly. People talk about the 80s and early 90s as the glory days of computing. I remember those days too; they friggin' sucked. We take for granted that we don't have to fiddle with hardware IRQ resources before installing software or playing games. X|
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I remember the earlier DOS days with the beloved (not!) TSR apps, that is "Terminate but Stay Resident", our form, back in the day, of running more than one app at a time.. It was a simple world back then but boy the amount of work you had to do just for something simple ;)
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Actually, I am referrring to the client OS, the front side. There will always be some that require so much heavy lifting that it will have a dedicated OS, but for the masses it appears to be changing.
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Our 'front side' is basically the user interface, while the 'back side' consists of the services that actually manage the process being controlled. I can see us using web-style user interfaces for some things, since it's a fair bet that most users will know how to navigate them. Our basic operator controls still resemble the control panel for a machine, however. I'm not sure the web technologies are up to the task for the kinds of things we render for the user. The back side stuff really doesn't care what it's running under. Our architecture doesn't even require that it run on the same box as the front side, so that fits your scenario fairly well. My point was that folks have been predicting the demise of the desktop application for some time now, and yet there are still lots of them out there. Contrary to what Microsoft and Google would like you to believe, the only thing that's clouded is their thinking in this regard.
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I remember the earlier DOS days with the beloved (not!) TSR apps, that is "Terminate but Stay Resident", our form, back in the day, of running more than one app at a time.. It was a simple world back then but boy the amount of work you had to do just for something simple ;)
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A four-letter word: DPMI, the DOS Protected Mode Interface :shudder:. I have one claim to fame from that era: I wrote a rather large application that ran under the same DOS extender used by the original DOOM (DOS4GW).
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