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I have an idea for new project. I think it's something that will do well, and I know how to do it. The only problem is that it's going to be a complete rewrite of something i've already done, twice. So, there will be no surprises, nothing new to discover, just lots and lots of rewriting, conversion and sighing. I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. X| -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
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I have an idea for new project. I think it's something that will do well, and I know how to do it. The only problem is that it's going to be a complete rewrite of something i've already done, twice. So, there will be no surprises, nothing new to discover, just lots and lots of rewriting, conversion and sighing. I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. X| -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
Chris Losinger wrote: I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. Several times I've been in the same situation. Like ... I've probably planned a project for 2 months that took 2 weeks to accomplish. How about writing a schedule for yourself of tasks to complete on a daily and weekly basis ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Chris Losinger wrote: I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. Several times I've been in the same situation. Like ... I've probably planned a project for 2 months that took 2 weeks to accomplish. How about writing a schedule for yourself of tasks to complete on a daily and weekly basis ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: How about writing a schedule for yourself of tasks to complete on a daily and weekly basis ? that's a good idea. but i'm afraid to see that list ! :) -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
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I have an idea for new project. I think it's something that will do well, and I know how to do it. The only problem is that it's going to be a complete rewrite of something i've already done, twice. So, there will be no surprises, nothing new to discover, just lots and lots of rewriting, conversion and sighing. I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. X| -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
If it's a new kinda work with R&D requirements I do it myself, if it's a recoding or revision I delegate it to my juniors :-) They don't complain as it's thrilling for them to work on something in which their PL has done some coding too. Helps them too I guess. Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Colin^Davies wrote: How about writing a schedule for yourself of tasks to complete on a daily and weekly basis ? that's a good idea. but i'm afraid to see that list ! :) -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
Chris Losinger wrote: that's a good idea. but i'm afraid to see that list ! Can you make a small list of the main things that need to be done please? (more than half a dozen and less than eight) I need the list ASAP ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Chris Losinger wrote: that's a good idea. but i'm afraid to see that list ! Can you make a small list of the main things that need to be done please? (more than half a dozen and less than eight) I need the list ASAP ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
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I have an idea for new project. I think it's something that will do well, and I know how to do it. The only problem is that it's going to be a complete rewrite of something i've already done, twice. So, there will be no surprises, nothing new to discover, just lots and lots of rewriting, conversion and sighing. I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. X| -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
I've encountered this a number of times on personal projects. I come up with an idea that is very good, but has one flaw... it's too big for one person. Consequently, at the start I tend to get bogged down in the details. I spend ages working on the framework, or the architecture, or the foundation of some nifty feature. So the latest project I started, I decided to use the XP approach. The caveat is that one of the goals is to learn C#, so it's not always possible to do test first. And of course, since it's just me, pair programming is out of the question. So, for a modified XP-4-1, this has been the approach I've taken. First of all since there is no onsite customer, I am he. So I wear two hats. When I am the customer I write the user stories on my whiteboard. I also need a metaphor. Since I am writing a virtual cardfile, then the logical metaphor is that of a cardbox. XP dictates short iterations, with an executable product with *some* business value at the end of each iteration. So my first set of user stories was to put open a form that has a text box, allow the user to enter text, and allow the user to save and load from a XML file. At the end of the first iteration I had all these things going. The second iteration involved allowing the user to add new cards, and to go back and forth through them. I also had a story to add a toolbar here with buttons that had the features I also added. When I added a feature, ideally I would have written a unit test first, and then added the code. Since I am learning C#, WinForms and the rest of .NET, I have been implementing to get working and then writing tests. Since I dont use VS (I use SharpDevelop) I dont have a debugger so the tests have made life much easier. I am currently up to the fourth iteration, and am in the processes of adding the Dividers. I was puzzling over what i would call them for a while, until I realised that the metaphor would help me there. Now I had a relatively fuzzy picture of where I was going when I started. All I knew was that I wanted a virtual cardbox. Interestingly, the lack of requirements hasn't really hindered me here. In fact, things that I had planned early on, turned out to be not what I wanted after all. I know you are looking at a pre-existing system, so you do have a pretty good idea of what you want. YMMV. I'm finding that my experience with XP on this project to be good enough (so far) to recommend to you to try. If you don't know where to start, ask yourself the question: What is the smallest thing that I ca
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I have an idea for new project. I think it's something that will do well, and I know how to do it. The only problem is that it's going to be a complete rewrite of something i've already done, twice. So, there will be no surprises, nothing new to discover, just lots and lots of rewriting, conversion and sighing. I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. X| -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
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I have an idea for new project. I think it's something that will do well, and I know how to do it. The only problem is that it's going to be a complete rewrite of something i've already done, twice. So, there will be no surprises, nothing new to discover, just lots and lots of rewriting, conversion and sighing. I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. X| -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
If you at second don't suceed, maybe this project isn't meant for you ;) How come you already did it twice, and you're still not happy? Planning to rewrite something for .NET? VB? What kind of project? Are you looking for volunteers to drive around, so they do the sighing and huffing and "which Idiot wrote this? Uh, oh, now that I know that YOU wrote it, Chris, I see the marvelous ingenuity.."
One day I might find it quite amusing how touching tongues make life so confusing Anne Clark again [sighist]
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I have an idea for new project. I think it's something that will do well, and I know how to do it. The only problem is that it's going to be a complete rewrite of something i've already done, twice. So, there will be no surprises, nothing new to discover, just lots and lots of rewriting, conversion and sighing. I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. X| -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
I'd suggest re-writing it in a new language (if that is feasible). ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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If it's a new kinda work with R&D requirements I do it myself, if it's a recoding or revision I delegate it to my juniors :-) They don't complain as it's thrilling for them to work on something in which their PL has done some coding too. Helps them too I guess. Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
Nishant S wrote: as it's thrilling for them to work on something in which their PL has done some coding too Who is this amazing PL and why are they so "thrilled" to work on his code? Is he some God whose mere code embues greatness on it's readers? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
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Nishant S wrote: as it's thrilling for them to work on something in which their PL has done some coding too Who is this amazing PL and why are they so "thrilled" to work on his code? Is he some God whose mere code embues greatness on it's readers? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
Paul Watson wrote: Who is this amazing PL and why are they so "thrilled" to work on his code? Is he some God whose mere code embues greatness on it's readers? :(( :(( :(( Waaaaaaaaaah! Paul is being mean to me :(( Nish :((
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Paul Watson wrote: Who is this amazing PL and why are they so "thrilled" to work on his code? Is he some God whose mere code embues greatness on it's readers? :(( :(( :(( Waaaaaaaaaah! Paul is being mean to me :(( Nish :((
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
Nishant S wrote: Waaaaaaaaaah! Paul is being mean to me :laugh:;P You were so asking to be made fun at with your "thrilled to work on the PL" statement. Look no offense but I found it highly arrogant, like it is a privilige to work with the great Nishant. :rolleyes: Not saying you are not worth working with, just saying I found your statement a tad "holier than thou." And next time, defend your statement, don't moan that I am being mean :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
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Nishant S wrote: Waaaaaaaaaah! Paul is being mean to me :laugh:;P You were so asking to be made fun at with your "thrilled to work on the PL" statement. Look no offense but I found it highly arrogant, like it is a privilige to work with the great Nishant. :rolleyes: Not saying you are not worth working with, just saying I found your statement a tad "holier than thou." And next time, defend your statement, don't moan that I am being mean :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
Paul Watson wrote: And next time, defend your statement, don't moan that I am being mean If you think I am dumb enough to try and defend an argument against the second best arguer on CP [the best being CG of course], then you are thinking wrong. In fact CG actually lost his most recent argument with KP. Means you are now just about equally on top. If he loses one more argument or you win one more, then the CP best-arguer ratings system will prolly make you the top rated arguer. Nish ;-)
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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I've encountered this a number of times on personal projects. I come up with an idea that is very good, but has one flaw... it's too big for one person. Consequently, at the start I tend to get bogged down in the details. I spend ages working on the framework, or the architecture, or the foundation of some nifty feature. So the latest project I started, I decided to use the XP approach. The caveat is that one of the goals is to learn C#, so it's not always possible to do test first. And of course, since it's just me, pair programming is out of the question. So, for a modified XP-4-1, this has been the approach I've taken. First of all since there is no onsite customer, I am he. So I wear two hats. When I am the customer I write the user stories on my whiteboard. I also need a metaphor. Since I am writing a virtual cardfile, then the logical metaphor is that of a cardbox. XP dictates short iterations, with an executable product with *some* business value at the end of each iteration. So my first set of user stories was to put open a form that has a text box, allow the user to enter text, and allow the user to save and load from a XML file. At the end of the first iteration I had all these things going. The second iteration involved allowing the user to add new cards, and to go back and forth through them. I also had a story to add a toolbar here with buttons that had the features I also added. When I added a feature, ideally I would have written a unit test first, and then added the code. Since I am learning C#, WinForms and the rest of .NET, I have been implementing to get working and then writing tests. Since I dont use VS (I use SharpDevelop) I dont have a debugger so the tests have made life much easier. I am currently up to the fourth iteration, and am in the processes of adding the Dividers. I was puzzling over what i would call them for a while, until I realised that the metaphor would help me there. Now I had a relatively fuzzy picture of where I was going when I started. All I knew was that I wanted a virtual cardbox. Interestingly, the lack of requirements hasn't really hindered me here. In fact, things that I had planned early on, turned out to be not what I wanted after all. I know you are looking at a pre-existing system, so you do have a pretty good idea of what you want. YMMV. I'm finding that my experience with XP on this project to be good enough (so far) to recommend to you to try. If you don't know where to start, ask yourself the question: What is the smallest thing that I ca
Yeah SharpDevelop has already gone a long way. Are you already on version 0.89 ? They reintroduced the folding editor which is a great thing. Are you also using the Magic Library for the GUI ? It's the BCG of NET. I am browsing through the SharpDevelop code at the moment and get new ideas every minute. BTW: The persons who have started SharpDevelop must have faced the same problem. Its overwhelming to start the development of a programming IDE with few resources at your hand. I am egger to compile SharpDevelop on Linux, when the MONO people have finished their WinForms code. (Another mamut project) I am a signature virus! Help me spread and copy me to your sig! Ooops I am infected
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I have an idea for new project. I think it's something that will do well, and I know how to do it. The only problem is that it's going to be a complete rewrite of something i've already done, twice. So, there will be no surprises, nothing new to discover, just lots and lots of rewriting, conversion and sighing. I anticipate months of work. Not surprisingly, I can't get started. X| -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
Why don't you make it interesting, and do it for Linux. :) I started a project like that today. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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errr... it's the one that's keeping me so busy that i haven't had a chance to respond . :-O
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
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If you at second don't suceed, maybe this project isn't meant for you ;) How come you already did it twice, and you're still not happy? Planning to rewrite something for .NET? VB? What kind of project? Are you looking for volunteers to drive around, so they do the sighing and huffing and "which Idiot wrote this? Uh, oh, now that I know that YOU wrote it, Chris, I see the marvelous ingenuity.."
One day I might find it quite amusing how touching tongues make life so confusing Anne Clark again [sighist]
peterchen wrote: Planning to rewrite something for .NET? VB? little bit of both, yeah. -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
