Microsoft is accused by EU again
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The European Commission said:
harming competition by bundling its Explorer web browser with its Windows operating system
They should know by now that regular users are not going to download a new browser manually. They'll need some other browser. So that (removing IE) can't be what they want. Do they really expect Microsoft to bundle it's OS with other browsers?
Incidentally, Windows 7 will ship without an email program. That will please the EU but I bet a number of consumers will be displeased. Even though they can just download Windows Live Mail if they want. But I suspect many will be bamboozled, especially if MS does not advertise this in Windows itself - which they may not do in case it's deemed "anti-competitive." To be honest I can't see what's wrong with bundling. If the authorities want to review this it should be sufficient for them to require that Microsoft not prevent OEMs from also bundling alternatives. My PC from 4 years ago came with Windows Media Player, as well as RealPlayer and QuickTime. Why is that not an acceptable solution?
Kevin
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Incidentally, Windows 7 will ship without an email program. That will please the EU but I bet a number of consumers will be displeased. Even though they can just download Windows Live Mail if they want. But I suspect many will be bamboozled, especially if MS does not advertise this in Windows itself - which they may not do in case it's deemed "anti-competitive." To be honest I can't see what's wrong with bundling. If the authorities want to review this it should be sufficient for them to require that Microsoft not prevent OEMs from also bundling alternatives. My PC from 4 years ago came with Windows Media Player, as well as RealPlayer and QuickTime. Why is that not an acceptable solution?
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Incidentally, Windows 7 will ship without an email program
On no! :omg: I like Windows Mail in Vista. Whatever will I do for an email program?!
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Incidentally, Windows 7 will ship without an email program
On no! :omg: I like Windows Mail in Vista. Whatever will I do for an email program?!
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"Microsoft's tying of Internet Explorer to the Windows operating system harms competition between web browsers, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice." Microsoft is accused by EU again [^] What planet are these people living on? For a start this is 8 years too late. Secondly, right now I'm running four different browsers on my PC. Some reduction of consumer choice. :doh:
Kevin
How would you download a web browser without a web browser?
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How would you download a web browser without a web browser?
Telnet. ;P /ravi
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Telnet. ;P /ravi
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The average consumer will need a browser to download software.
Kevin
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The average consumer will need a browser to download software.
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
The average consumer will need a browser to download software.
Hence the ";P" at the end of my response. /ravi
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
The average consumer will need a browser to download software.
Hence the ";P" at the end of my response. /ravi
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:-O
Kevin
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"Microsoft's tying of Internet Explorer to the Windows operating system harms competition between web browsers, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice." Microsoft is accused by EU again [^] What planet are these people living on? For a start this is 8 years too late. Secondly, right now I'm running four different browsers on my PC. Some reduction of consumer choice. :doh:
Kevin
the EU must be running low on cash and they need to make the payroll X|
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Telnet. ;P /ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
Telnet
D'oh![^] X| Yes, but if you know how to telnet in order to download another browser, then I think you will be capable to use that other browser and the fact that IE is already installed won't be a problem for you... I can't imagine a normal user trying to do it... But you are right... :((
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Telnet. ;P /ravi
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Oh no it won't happen! "Microsoft's tying of Telnet client to the Windows operating system harms competition between web browsers telnet clients, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice." - EU Commission said
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harold aptroot wrote:
Do they really expect Microsoft to bundle it's OS with other browsers?
Well, I don't see a problem with bundling their own browser. If the user is dead above the neck (or simply doesn't care), that's certainly not Microsoft's fault, and Microsoft shouldn't be compelled/cajoled/forced into saying, "Hey, check out these alternative browsers!" Apple bundles Safari with their OS, yet nobody complains about that. KDE bundles their own browser with their desktop, and nobody I've seen complains about the fact that it's bundled. The EU is just being a collective bunch of anal pores right now. What they should be doing is compelling MS to drop the price of their crapware so that normal people have a snowball's chance in hell of affording it.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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The EU is just being a collective bunch of anal pores right now. What they should be doing is compelling MS
What Microsoft ought to do is buy the EU outright and run it as a wholly-owned subsidiary. Get rid of all those pesky national governments (e.g. middle management) and turn it into a profitable business.
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
Telnet
D'oh![^] X| Yes, but if you know how to telnet in order to download another browser, then I think you will be capable to use that other browser and the fact that IE is already installed won't be a problem for you... I can't imagine a normal user trying to do it... But you are right... :((
Joan Murt wrote:
I can't imagine a normal user trying to do it...
I was only kidding. :) /ravi
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Incidentally, Windows 7 will ship without an email program. That will please the EU but I bet a number of consumers will be displeased. Even though they can just download Windows Live Mail if they want. But I suspect many will be bamboozled, especially if MS does not advertise this in Windows itself - which they may not do in case it's deemed "anti-competitive." To be honest I can't see what's wrong with bundling. If the authorities want to review this it should be sufficient for them to require that Microsoft not prevent OEMs from also bundling alternatives. My PC from 4 years ago came with Windows Media Player, as well as RealPlayer and QuickTime. Why is that not an acceptable solution?
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Incidentally, Windows 7 will ship without an email program
Let me guess. It will come with a preinstalled link to hotmail instead...
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Incidentally, Windows 7 will ship without an email program
Let me guess. It will come with a preinstalled link to hotmail instead...
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
It will come with a preinstalled link to hotmail instead...
...which won't work because IE will have been ordered to be removed. ;P
Kevin
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Oh no it won't happen! "Microsoft's tying of Telnet client to the Windows operating system harms competition between web browsers telnet clients, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice." - EU Commission said
Well, following your premonition: "Microsoft tying of an operating system to that cardboard box harms competition between web browsers telnet clients operating systems, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces customer choice. Moreover we are also looking at the color of that cardboard box... we don't like it much..." - EU Commission said. :rolleyes:
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"Microsoft's tying of Internet Explorer to the Windows operating system harms competition between web browsers, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice." Microsoft is accused by EU again [^] What planet are these people living on? For a start this is 8 years too late. Secondly, right now I'm running four different browsers on my PC. Some reduction of consumer choice. :doh:
Kevin
Hopefully they will decide that issuing an edition with IE and one without IE is sufficient, they will call the second one 'Windows 7 E' to go with Windows 7 K (no Messenger, to massage Korea's ego) and Windows 7 N (no Media Player, to massage the EU competition commission), and we can all go and buy the former version. I believe sales of all Windows 'N' editions since XP amount to approximately zero. No, in fact I believe they are zero. No-one in the channel ever ordered it, no customer wanted it, but presumably Microsoft have to test patches against it in case anyone somehow did get hold of it. About Windows XP 'N'[^].
"Multithreading is just one damn thing after, before, or simultaneous with another." - Andrei Alexandrescu
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Hopefully they will decide that issuing an edition with IE and one without IE is sufficient, they will call the second one 'Windows 7 E' to go with Windows 7 K (no Messenger, to massage Korea's ego) and Windows 7 N (no Media Player, to massage the EU competition commission), and we can all go and buy the former version. I believe sales of all Windows 'N' editions since XP amount to approximately zero. No, in fact I believe they are zero. No-one in the channel ever ordered it, no customer wanted it, but presumably Microsoft have to test patches against it in case anyone somehow did get hold of it. About Windows XP 'N'[^].
"Multithreading is just one damn thing after, before, or simultaneous with another." - Andrei Alexandrescu
Yeah, I'm aware of the Windows XP N fiasco. The EU action completely missed the point in any case. You need to have multiple media players anyway because of the different formats. I remember a Microsoft exec pointing this out at the time and explaining why he had several media players on his PC. This was all to no avail though. If they really wanted to punish Microsoft they should have gone after their Windows Media content agreements.
Kevin
