Obama and Change --- Where?
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So, when your mom wants to feed you, does she gaz the basement or she shoot you with a tranquilizer gun ?
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And what the hell are you smoking? Maybe one of your compatriots can explain what you are muttering about? Or did you just feel the need to add nothing? You succeeded!
AF Pilot
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Reagan Conservative wrote:
BUT THAT IS NOT THE CHANGE HE WAS SPOUNTING DURING THE CAMPAIGN
YES IT IS.
;P Ya see? Me can shout louder than you! And, in 36 hours, it is more good things than the big moron did in 8 years. So STFU.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
big moron did in 8 years
Clinton?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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No, Mike, I wasn't the one on TV pledging all these campaign promises about "change". If he doesn't start "change" now, then when?
AF Pilot
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Diego Moita wrote:
big moron did in 8 years
Clinton?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Clinton?
Interesting question. Let's see: "big moron" Bush 23 points X "big moron" Clinton 9 points[^]. And for the first place in big moron...[^] So the winner is... :-\
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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This is the first of my whines to start getting even for all the whining that you libs did in the last 8 years. So Obama promised CHANGE. Example 1 - NO LOBBYISTS will be allowed in the administration - yet two are already part of his administration. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/12/obama_softens_ban_on_hiring_lobbyists/[^] Example 2 - Geithner as new Treasury Secretary -- can't pay his taxes like you and me. So now he's in charge of the very group (IRS) that he failed to pay taxes to. Innocent error? Yeah, right! He was championed as having the "leadership" to execute the Treasury Secretary's office better than ANYONE ELSE in the country, by both Dems and Reps. Does anyone in Washington know the DEFINITION of LEADERSHIP? Cause this ain't it! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123263598875806111.html?mod=googlenews_wsj[^] Sorry, but so far, I don't see a whole lot of FUNDAMENTAL change in Washington. You may send the cheese to go with that whine to your favorite charity food location.
AF Pilot
He actually said that lobbyists working in his administration won't be allowed to lobby. He didn't say they couldn't work for him. And that they wouldn't be allowed to lobby his administration upon leaving governemnt. And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes. SO, you are suggesting that we don't hire humans? Instead we need these fantastical people who never make mistakes in life?
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You're not getting it. I don't care in the least what they want or prefer. Puting them in the US is a negative. Puting them in prison gives them opportunities. But I don't know what would be best to do with them now. I hope we got some REALLY good information from them, because they will be a headache from here on out.
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They need to be charged before they can be guilty. Then they need to be tried before they can be guilty. Some might be guilty. Some might not. I'd prefer we didn't take such a cavalier approach to detainees. If there are innocents in there, they do deserve justice. Right now all they have is limbo. AND until they are proven guilty they are still human. But, feel free to just blindly hate without critical thought. Which will most likely drip in your response to this post. If you even bother.
This statement is false
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He actually said that lobbyists working in his administration won't be allowed to lobby. He didn't say they couldn't work for him. And that they wouldn't be allowed to lobby his administration upon leaving governemnt. And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes. SO, you are suggesting that we don't hire humans? Instead we need these fantastical people who never make mistakes in life?
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Synaptrik wrote:
And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes.
you're smoking some serious shit, enjoy.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Synaptrik wrote:
And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes.
you're smoking some serious shit, enjoy.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
What senators learned at the gathering was not only that Geithner had failed to pay self-employment taxes during his time at the International Monetary Fund. They learned that the IMF had repeatedly informed Geithner, as it had all its employees, of his obligation to pay that tax. They learned that Geithner signed documents saying he would pay the tax. And they learned that Geithner accepted IMF reimbursement for Social Security and Medicare taxes that he had not, in fact, paid. Geithner paid part of his obligation after a 2006 Internal Revenue Service audit, and the rest of it after he was nominated to become treasury secretary. In all, he paid $42,702 in back taxes and interest. In addition to his payment of the unpaid self-employment taxes, Geithner also had to pay $5,566 to cover other shortfalls in his tax payments, for a total of $48,268 in back taxes and interest.[^] Looks like he paid em. Late. But as of right now, they are paid. Maybe you are the one smoking crap.
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He actually said that lobbyists working in his administration won't be allowed to lobby. He didn't say they couldn't work for him. And that they wouldn't be allowed to lobby his administration upon leaving governemnt. And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes. SO, you are suggesting that we don't hire humans? Instead we need these fantastical people who never make mistakes in life?
This statement is false
Synaptrik wrote:
It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't.
Geithner' is a sleeze. He knew perfectly well what he was doing (A child care deduction for his kid's summer camp - gimme a break, even I know better). Now he's blaming it on Turbo-Tax. Geeze, I know they're going to approve the guy, but lets not pretend he's clean as wind-blown snow. Franky, he probably should withdraw, or be withdrawn by Obama, but they figure this will blow over (and it will, the press shows no inclination to follow this one up). It does not, however, give me a warm feeling that we are replacing one crook with another at Treasury. I guess honesty isn't a very important job requirement.
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What senators learned at the gathering was not only that Geithner had failed to pay self-employment taxes during his time at the International Monetary Fund. They learned that the IMF had repeatedly informed Geithner, as it had all its employees, of his obligation to pay that tax. They learned that Geithner signed documents saying he would pay the tax. And they learned that Geithner accepted IMF reimbursement for Social Security and Medicare taxes that he had not, in fact, paid. Geithner paid part of his obligation after a 2006 Internal Revenue Service audit, and the rest of it after he was nominated to become treasury secretary. In all, he paid $42,702 in back taxes and interest. In addition to his payment of the unpaid self-employment taxes, Geithner also had to pay $5,566 to cover other shortfalls in his tax payments, for a total of $48,268 in back taxes and interest.[^] Looks like he paid em. Late. But as of right now, they are paid. Maybe you are the one smoking crap.
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Synaptrik wrote:
Looks like he paid em. Late. But as of right now, they are paid.
And all it took was a promotion to sec tres? Maybe we should promote everybody who owes back taxes? :laugh:
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
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This is the first of my whines to start getting even for all the whining that you libs did in the last 8 years. So Obama promised CHANGE. Example 1 - NO LOBBYISTS will be allowed in the administration - yet two are already part of his administration. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/12/obama_softens_ban_on_hiring_lobbyists/[^] Example 2 - Geithner as new Treasury Secretary -- can't pay his taxes like you and me. So now he's in charge of the very group (IRS) that he failed to pay taxes to. Innocent error? Yeah, right! He was championed as having the "leadership" to execute the Treasury Secretary's office better than ANYONE ELSE in the country, by both Dems and Reps. Does anyone in Washington know the DEFINITION of LEADERSHIP? Cause this ain't it! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123263598875806111.html?mod=googlenews_wsj[^] Sorry, but so far, I don't see a whole lot of FUNDAMENTAL change in Washington. You may send the cheese to go with that whine to your favorite charity food location.
AF Pilot
Well, so far his biggest change is changing the US back to its pre-9/11 anti-terrorism posture. But, hey, as long as the major targets are blue staters, who gives a shit? They asked for change, they should be the first ones to get it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Well, so far his biggest change is changing the US back to its pre-9/11 anti-terrorism posture. But, hey, as long as the major targets are blue staters, who gives a shit? They asked for change, they should be the first ones to get it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Hey, I live in a blue state! But I don't take mass transit, nor live near a city center, I also don't go to open air farmers markets and I don't drink cappuccino at Starbucks so maybe I'm ok.
MrPlankton
Mexican boy: Viene la tormenta! Sarah Connor: What did he just say? Gas Station Attendant: He said there's a storm coming Sarah Connor: [sighs] I know.
modified on Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:10 PM
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They need to be charged before they can be guilty. Then they need to be tried before they can be guilty. Some might be guilty. Some might not. I'd prefer we didn't take such a cavalier approach to detainees. If there are innocents in there, they do deserve justice. Right now all they have is limbo. AND until they are proven guilty they are still human. But, feel free to just blindly hate without critical thought. Which will most likely drip in your response to this post. If you even bother.
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Synaptrik wrote:
They need to be charged before they can be guilty. Then they need to be tried before they can be guilty.
Fair enough, but weren't most of them captured on the battle field? They weren't detained for breaking the law, they were enemy combatants. What's the best course of action for those cases? Generally captured enemies are held until the conflict is ended, which of course is generally no where near the situation with the "war on terror".
Synaptrik wrote:
But, feel free to just blindly hate without critical thought. Which will most likely drip in your response to this post. If you even bother.
This is all just speculative assholery. Since you've decided that you already know my entire world philosophy, there's really no point in responding. Nonetheless, I want to see the right thing done, whatever that is. That doesn't require me to feel compelled by what they want or prefer. Of course they're human, and should be dealt with appropriately based on their actions.
Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.
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Well, so far his biggest change is changing the US back to its pre-9/11 anti-terrorism posture. But, hey, as long as the major targets are blue staters, who gives a shit? They asked for change, they should be the first ones to get it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
so far his biggest change is changing the US back to its pre-9/11 anti-terrorism posture.
Yep! That's what he said in his speech : "As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals" Stan, if you are willing to commit any despicable act to protect your sorry ass you will never win. Haven't you seen any movies ? The good guys always win ;P
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Shog9 wrote:
you should probably know there are no real liberals here
I'm a Jeffersonian, myself.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I'm a Marxist.
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I'm a Marxist.
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Synaptrik wrote:
It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't.
Geithner' is a sleeze. He knew perfectly well what he was doing (A child care deduction for his kid's summer camp - gimme a break, even I know better). Now he's blaming it on Turbo-Tax. Geeze, I know they're going to approve the guy, but lets not pretend he's clean as wind-blown snow. Franky, he probably should withdraw, or be withdrawn by Obama, but they figure this will blow over (and it will, the press shows no inclination to follow this one up). It does not, however, give me a warm feeling that we are replacing one crook with another at Treasury. I guess honesty isn't a very important job requirement.
Rob Graham wrote:
Now he's blaming it on Turbo-Tax
Funny thing is that when I used as was contracting, Turbo Tax automatically added in all those pesky little self-employment taxes. I would have had to drop into edit-by-hand mode and ignore the warnings at the end to get rid of 'em.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Hey, I live in a blue state! But I don't take mass transit, nor live near a city center, I also don't go to open air farmers markets and I don't drink cappuccino at Starbucks so maybe I'm ok.
MrPlankton
Mexican boy: Viene la tormenta! Sarah Connor: What did he just say? Gas Station Attendant: He said there's a storm coming Sarah Connor: [sighs] I know.
modified on Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:10 PM
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Synaptrik wrote:
They need to be charged before they can be guilty. Then they need to be tried before they can be guilty.
Fair enough, but weren't most of them captured on the battle field? They weren't detained for breaking the law, they were enemy combatants. What's the best course of action for those cases? Generally captured enemies are held until the conflict is ended, which of course is generally no where near the situation with the "war on terror".
Synaptrik wrote:
But, feel free to just blindly hate without critical thought. Which will most likely drip in your response to this post. If you even bother.
This is all just speculative assholery. Since you've decided that you already know my entire world philosophy, there's really no point in responding. Nonetheless, I want to see the right thing done, whatever that is. That doesn't require me to feel compelled by what they want or prefer. Of course they're human, and should be dealt with appropriately based on their actions.
Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.
BoneSoft wrote:
Generally captured enemies are held until the conflict is ended,
Yes. Because that's how you treat P.O.W's. If these guys were declared to be P.O.W.'s they'd have access to the Red Cross (or Crescent?) and there would be a set of defined rules about what could and could not be done with them. The Bush Administration did not want this to be the case.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I'm a Marxist
Groucho or Zeppo?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Zeppo!