Obama and Change --- Where?
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This is the first of my whines to start getting even for all the whining that you libs did in the last 8 years. So Obama promised CHANGE. Example 1 - NO LOBBYISTS will be allowed in the administration - yet two are already part of his administration. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/12/obama_softens_ban_on_hiring_lobbyists/[^] Example 2 - Geithner as new Treasury Secretary -- can't pay his taxes like you and me. So now he's in charge of the very group (IRS) that he failed to pay taxes to. Innocent error? Yeah, right! He was championed as having the "leadership" to execute the Treasury Secretary's office better than ANYONE ELSE in the country, by both Dems and Reps. Does anyone in Washington know the DEFINITION of LEADERSHIP? Cause this ain't it! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123263598875806111.html?mod=googlenews_wsj[^] Sorry, but so far, I don't see a whole lot of FUNDAMENTAL change in Washington. You may send the cheese to go with that whine to your favorite charity food location.
AF Pilot
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DRHuff wrote:
And yet two of Washingtons suburbs remain the highest earning counties in all of America. Ocean - meet drop - Drop - meet ocean.
Someone has to start somewhere, do you think it was going to be a complete change for all federal employees at once? Do you even know what the federal wage for some of those white house staffers are???
DRHuff wrote:
And what is he going to do with the tenants?
They have a year to figure that out, whatever they do, do you think the tenants would prefer remaining in Gitmo?
DRHuff wrote:
3. Obama signs Executive orders about transparency and accountability for his administration.[^] Talking the talk - hopefully they walk the walk.
An executive order has the full weight of the law. Give them a chance, how about more then 36 hours?
EliottA wrote:
They have a year to figure that out
I've heard talk of puting some in US prisons where they can recruit, convert and get a free education, all with free color TV. While the others go free to continue their work we admire so much. Don't know how close that is to the current ideas though.
EliottA wrote:
do you think the tenants would prefer remaining in Gitmo?
Personally, whatever they prefer the least is fine with me. I couldn't care less what they'd prefer. And the day I decide to be a terrorist against another country, I'll expect no better from them.
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EliottA wrote:
They have a year to figure that out
I've heard talk of puting some in US prisons where they can recruit, convert and get a free education, all with free color TV. While the others go free to continue their work we admire so much. Don't know how close that is to the current ideas though.
EliottA wrote:
do you think the tenants would prefer remaining in Gitmo?
Personally, whatever they prefer the least is fine with me. I couldn't care less what they'd prefer. And the day I decide to be a terrorist against another country, I'll expect no better from them.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I've heard talk of puting some in US prisons where they can recruit, convert and get a free education, all with free color TV. While the others go free to continue their work we admire so much. Don't know how close that is to the current ideas though.
because who wouldn't love to go into prison right?
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This is the first of my whines to start getting even for all the whining that you libs did in the last 8 years. So Obama promised CHANGE. Example 1 - NO LOBBYISTS will be allowed in the administration - yet two are already part of his administration. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/12/obama_softens_ban_on_hiring_lobbyists/[^] Example 2 - Geithner as new Treasury Secretary -- can't pay his taxes like you and me. So now he's in charge of the very group (IRS) that he failed to pay taxes to. Innocent error? Yeah, right! He was championed as having the "leadership" to execute the Treasury Secretary's office better than ANYONE ELSE in the country, by both Dems and Reps. Does anyone in Washington know the DEFINITION of LEADERSHIP? Cause this ain't it! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123263598875806111.html?mod=googlenews_wsj[^] Sorry, but so far, I don't see a whole lot of FUNDAMENTAL change in Washington. You may send the cheese to go with that whine to your favorite charity food location.
AF Pilot
Reagan Conservative wrote:
So now he's in charge of the very group (IRS) that he failed to pay taxes to.
Just think of the poor shumck(s) that were responsible for serving up ole Geithner. I bet there will be a few more mail clerks and a few less branch chiefs Monday morning at the IRS.
MrPlankton
Mexican boy: Viene la tormenta! Sarah Connor: What did he just say? Gas Station Attendant: He said there's a storm coming Sarah Connor: [sighs] I know.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I've heard talk of puting some in US prisons where they can recruit, convert and get a free education, all with free color TV. While the others go free to continue their work we admire so much. Don't know how close that is to the current ideas though.
because who wouldn't love to go into prison right?
You're not getting it. I don't care in the least what they want or prefer. Puting them in the US is a negative. Puting them in prison gives them opportunities. But I don't know what would be best to do with them now. I hope we got some REALLY good information from them, because they will be a headache from here on out.
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Reagan Conservative wrote:
Sorry, but so far, I don't see a whole lot of FUNDAMENTAL change in Washington.
So what exactly are you whining about? I mean you like it the way it is right?
led mike
No, Mike, I wasn't the one on TV pledging all these campaign promises about "change". If he doesn't start "change" now, then when?
AF Pilot
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This is the first of my whines to start getting even for all the whining that you libs did in the last 8 years. So Obama promised CHANGE. Example 1 - NO LOBBYISTS will be allowed in the administration - yet two are already part of his administration. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/12/obama_softens_ban_on_hiring_lobbyists/[^] Example 2 - Geithner as new Treasury Secretary -- can't pay his taxes like you and me. So now he's in charge of the very group (IRS) that he failed to pay taxes to. Innocent error? Yeah, right! He was championed as having the "leadership" to execute the Treasury Secretary's office better than ANYONE ELSE in the country, by both Dems and Reps. Does anyone in Washington know the DEFINITION of LEADERSHIP? Cause this ain't it! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123263598875806111.html?mod=googlenews_wsj[^] Sorry, but so far, I don't see a whole lot of FUNDAMENTAL change in Washington. You may send the cheese to go with that whine to your favorite charity food location.
AF Pilot
So, when your mom wants to feed you, does she gaz the basement or she shoot you with a tranquilizer gun ?
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Reagan Conservative wrote:
So now he's in charge of the very group (IRS) that he failed to pay taxes to.
Just think of the poor shumck(s) that were responsible for serving up ole Geithner. I bet there will be a few more mail clerks and a few less branch chiefs Monday morning at the IRS.
MrPlankton
Mexican boy: Viene la tormenta! Sarah Connor: What did he just say? Gas Station Attendant: He said there's a storm coming Sarah Connor: [sighs] I know.
You may be right, and I'm LMAO! That was probably very accurate prediction.
AF Pilot
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So, when your mom wants to feed you, does she gaz the basement or she shoot you with a tranquilizer gun ?
This signature was proudly tested on animals.
And what the hell are you smoking? Maybe one of your compatriots can explain what you are muttering about? Or did you just feel the need to add nothing? You succeeded!
AF Pilot
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Reagan Conservative wrote:
BUT THAT IS NOT THE CHANGE HE WAS SPOUNTING DURING THE CAMPAIGN
YES IT IS.
;P Ya see? Me can shout louder than you! And, in 36 hours, it is more good things than the big moron did in 8 years. So STFU.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
big moron did in 8 years
Clinton?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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No, Mike, I wasn't the one on TV pledging all these campaign promises about "change". If he doesn't start "change" now, then when?
AF Pilot
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Diego Moita wrote:
big moron did in 8 years
Clinton?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Clinton?
Interesting question. Let's see: "big moron" Bush 23 points X "big moron" Clinton 9 points[^]. And for the first place in big moron...[^] So the winner is... :-\
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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This is the first of my whines to start getting even for all the whining that you libs did in the last 8 years. So Obama promised CHANGE. Example 1 - NO LOBBYISTS will be allowed in the administration - yet two are already part of his administration. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/12/obama_softens_ban_on_hiring_lobbyists/[^] Example 2 - Geithner as new Treasury Secretary -- can't pay his taxes like you and me. So now he's in charge of the very group (IRS) that he failed to pay taxes to. Innocent error? Yeah, right! He was championed as having the "leadership" to execute the Treasury Secretary's office better than ANYONE ELSE in the country, by both Dems and Reps. Does anyone in Washington know the DEFINITION of LEADERSHIP? Cause this ain't it! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123263598875806111.html?mod=googlenews_wsj[^] Sorry, but so far, I don't see a whole lot of FUNDAMENTAL change in Washington. You may send the cheese to go with that whine to your favorite charity food location.
AF Pilot
He actually said that lobbyists working in his administration won't be allowed to lobby. He didn't say they couldn't work for him. And that they wouldn't be allowed to lobby his administration upon leaving governemnt. And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes. SO, you are suggesting that we don't hire humans? Instead we need these fantastical people who never make mistakes in life?
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You're not getting it. I don't care in the least what they want or prefer. Puting them in the US is a negative. Puting them in prison gives them opportunities. But I don't know what would be best to do with them now. I hope we got some REALLY good information from them, because they will be a headache from here on out.
Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.
They need to be charged before they can be guilty. Then they need to be tried before they can be guilty. Some might be guilty. Some might not. I'd prefer we didn't take such a cavalier approach to detainees. If there are innocents in there, they do deserve justice. Right now all they have is limbo. AND until they are proven guilty they are still human. But, feel free to just blindly hate without critical thought. Which will most likely drip in your response to this post. If you even bother.
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He actually said that lobbyists working in his administration won't be allowed to lobby. He didn't say they couldn't work for him. And that they wouldn't be allowed to lobby his administration upon leaving governemnt. And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes. SO, you are suggesting that we don't hire humans? Instead we need these fantastical people who never make mistakes in life?
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Synaptrik wrote:
And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes.
you're smoking some serious shit, enjoy.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Synaptrik wrote:
And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes.
you're smoking some serious shit, enjoy.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
What senators learned at the gathering was not only that Geithner had failed to pay self-employment taxes during his time at the International Monetary Fund. They learned that the IMF had repeatedly informed Geithner, as it had all its employees, of his obligation to pay that tax. They learned that Geithner signed documents saying he would pay the tax. And they learned that Geithner accepted IMF reimbursement for Social Security and Medicare taxes that he had not, in fact, paid. Geithner paid part of his obligation after a 2006 Internal Revenue Service audit, and the rest of it after he was nominated to become treasury secretary. In all, he paid $42,702 in back taxes and interest. In addition to his payment of the unpaid self-employment taxes, Geithner also had to pay $5,566 to cover other shortfalls in his tax payments, for a total of $48,268 in back taxes and interest.[^] Looks like he paid em. Late. But as of right now, they are paid. Maybe you are the one smoking crap.
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He actually said that lobbyists working in his administration won't be allowed to lobby. He didn't say they couldn't work for him. And that they wouldn't be allowed to lobby his administration upon leaving governemnt. And... Geithner paid his taxes. Just late. It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't. But he has paid those taxes. SO, you are suggesting that we don't hire humans? Instead we need these fantastical people who never make mistakes in life?
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Synaptrik wrote:
It was a situation where he assumed his taxes were paid by the employer when they weren't.
Geithner' is a sleeze. He knew perfectly well what he was doing (A child care deduction for his kid's summer camp - gimme a break, even I know better). Now he's blaming it on Turbo-Tax. Geeze, I know they're going to approve the guy, but lets not pretend he's clean as wind-blown snow. Franky, he probably should withdraw, or be withdrawn by Obama, but they figure this will blow over (and it will, the press shows no inclination to follow this one up). It does not, however, give me a warm feeling that we are replacing one crook with another at Treasury. I guess honesty isn't a very important job requirement.
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What senators learned at the gathering was not only that Geithner had failed to pay self-employment taxes during his time at the International Monetary Fund. They learned that the IMF had repeatedly informed Geithner, as it had all its employees, of his obligation to pay that tax. They learned that Geithner signed documents saying he would pay the tax. And they learned that Geithner accepted IMF reimbursement for Social Security and Medicare taxes that he had not, in fact, paid. Geithner paid part of his obligation after a 2006 Internal Revenue Service audit, and the rest of it after he was nominated to become treasury secretary. In all, he paid $42,702 in back taxes and interest. In addition to his payment of the unpaid self-employment taxes, Geithner also had to pay $5,566 to cover other shortfalls in his tax payments, for a total of $48,268 in back taxes and interest.[^] Looks like he paid em. Late. But as of right now, they are paid. Maybe you are the one smoking crap.
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Synaptrik wrote:
Looks like he paid em. Late. But as of right now, they are paid.
And all it took was a promotion to sec tres? Maybe we should promote everybody who owes back taxes? :laugh:
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
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This is the first of my whines to start getting even for all the whining that you libs did in the last 8 years. So Obama promised CHANGE. Example 1 - NO LOBBYISTS will be allowed in the administration - yet two are already part of his administration. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/11/12/obama_softens_ban_on_hiring_lobbyists/[^] Example 2 - Geithner as new Treasury Secretary -- can't pay his taxes like you and me. So now he's in charge of the very group (IRS) that he failed to pay taxes to. Innocent error? Yeah, right! He was championed as having the "leadership" to execute the Treasury Secretary's office better than ANYONE ELSE in the country, by both Dems and Reps. Does anyone in Washington know the DEFINITION of LEADERSHIP? Cause this ain't it! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123263598875806111.html?mod=googlenews_wsj[^] Sorry, but so far, I don't see a whole lot of FUNDAMENTAL change in Washington. You may send the cheese to go with that whine to your favorite charity food location.
AF Pilot
Well, so far his biggest change is changing the US back to its pre-9/11 anti-terrorism posture. But, hey, as long as the major targets are blue staters, who gives a shit? They asked for change, they should be the first ones to get it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Well, so far his biggest change is changing the US back to its pre-9/11 anti-terrorism posture. But, hey, as long as the major targets are blue staters, who gives a shit? They asked for change, they should be the first ones to get it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Hey, I live in a blue state! But I don't take mass transit, nor live near a city center, I also don't go to open air farmers markets and I don't drink cappuccino at Starbucks so maybe I'm ok.
MrPlankton
Mexican boy: Viene la tormenta! Sarah Connor: What did he just say? Gas Station Attendant: He said there's a storm coming Sarah Connor: [sighs] I know.
modified on Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:10 PM