Personal Ideologies

MidwestLimey

BoneSoft wrote:

So in conclusion: Hi I'm Scott, and I'm a Conservativaholic.

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Rob Graham

MidwestLimey wrote:

combination of Obamox and Libertrin

Unfortunately they are both addictive and expensive...The initial dose costs between $700B and $1T. And you have to watch out for Pelosidosis and Reidoids as side effects.

BoneSoft

:laugh: Yep, you'll crap blood for a month and have a size 7 poop-chute, but it's all cotton candy and unicorns from then on out.

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Dan Neely

I thought it was butterflies and unicorns....

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BoneSoft

Yeah, but weren't those studies done by the IPCC with computer models based on amoeba?

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BoneSoft

For some yes, but not all patients experienced a thrill up their leg.

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Oakman

BoneSoft wrote:

Hi I'm Scott, and I'm a Conservativaholic.

You never mentioned what I think is one of your finer traits - you listen to what the other guy is saying, even if you disagree. Likewise, even if someone self-identifies as a conservative, you don't automatically assume that everything they do or say represents truth and beauty.

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peterchen

That's why you were so... irritated :)

BoneSoft wrote:

I'm interested in knowing what core things shape your political philosophies

I've grown up in east germany, saw the fall of the wall at age 16, seen "the system" crumble, embraced - not without hesitation - what I believed was the new on - experiencing a few years of a freedom that is probably impossible in any stable society - and finally figured out the new system is as fake and pretentious as the old one. I've had the money in my pockets change twice - from Mark to DM to Euro. Still, I consider my life rather uneventful, safe and protected. I've learnt a few things, however. One is that for the majority*) of people it doesn't really matter if they can't go on vacations because of a rent increase without pay rise, or because of some communist buerocrat thinking you are not parteitreu enough. Personally, I have a strong distrust for people in power - be they "government" or "company owner". Your freedom of commerce can work only because a a selective set of strong unfreedoms. Money can be as much a religion as Jesus Christ. People don't need government, but they need society - and this can come from government, religion, and I hope one day we will find something better for that. So, in conclusion: Hi, I'm Peter. And I'm conservative, and libertarian, and liberal and none of it.

*) The difference - IMO is how society deals with the minority. So far, I've gone from the "eradicate them" (in various ways, not all destructive) to "ignore them". A general improvement, but far from deserving that "oh we are so good and they are so bad" praise.

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BoneSoft

I wasn't looking to toot my own horn. Just dangling my philisophical root in the breeze for all to see. And was hoping for some reciprocation. Just playing I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours. :-D

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Synaptrik

I'll bite. My core philosophy is mixed. Maybe I'll come across as a baffoon, but I'll attempt to explain my view anyway. I'm not an anarchist. I believe we need a government. I don't like large government. But I don't think that small government is the answer. That produces a vacuum that gets filled by corporate interests. Corporations don't die. What they get a hold of they can hold indefinitely. So at some time we need to evaluate what belongs to us as a people. The land's resources should belong to the people in my opinion. Public property. Oil rights is a good example. Mining rights. Etc. If a corporation buys up all of the reserved land being auctioned off they can hold it indefinitely since they don't die. So, over time we can lose our collective property to corporate interests whose primary responsibility is profit. I believe that Wages drive an economy. I believe in the Free Market as an economic model, but I also believe it needs to be corralled. Not interfered with, but not let loose into the wild either. I believe that for the Free Market to have true success there needs to be a livable minimum wage. That a person's time is a commodity. That where profits are made are from consumer spending and the majority don't make enough to spend. I don't believe in Welfare. With a livable minimum wage most social programs can be axed in total. With a livable wage we could all afford health care. Don't need socialized medicine. I don't believe in privatised infrastructure. I don't have any competition for Power, Gas, Water, Or Phone. Its the locally available private company or I can move. That's not a free market. I believe in a Commons belonging to the people. That part of our society that we all depend upon. Our infrastructure is part of that in my view. Only special cases would require assistance with a livable minimum wage. No need for Welfare. And you can't depend on Churches for charity as they argue for the right to discriminate. And in my opinion should be entitled to it. I do believe Churches should be taxed. They make money. Pat Robertson is rich without having to pay tax. I don't believe Abortion and other laws should be federal. I do support the basic Jefforson model of more power to the states. States should have the right to pass laws concerning abortion and drugs for that matter in my view. I believe we should only defend our nation. I believe in Iraq we attacked a nation and didn't defend ours. I believe in Afghanistan we were defending our nation. I believe t

BoneSoft

I agree with a vast majority of what you said. Which leaves me wondering why we've disagreed on so many issues... :confused: Though I believe that's actually been a limited number to date. But most notably, I agree with this:

Synaptrik wrote:

I believe that we can have passioned debate without resorting to petty insults and abuse. I believe that I have also been guilty of that and will try to abstain.

Both sentences.

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Dan Neely

I was referring to this.[^] Butterflies and unicorns is the cannonical synopsis. :cool:

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Stan Shannon

Of course, Jon assumes he has something to say thats worth listening to rather than a narrow set of trite libertarians rationalizations.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

BoneSoft

Yep, I've had to go back and watch that several times. Cracks me up when he's on the unicorn flying over the raibow singing about the hope for change.

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Stan Shannon

My core belief is that it is important to keep things that can be seperate from government, separate from government, regardless of how democratic that government might be. That is essentially the importance of free market capitalism and christianity to our particular form of civilization. Both provide a largely self regulating mechanism for human interaction which do not need to be controlled by the state. They provide a means of providing moral parameters and a means of economic independence which the state should never be allowed to directly control. As you suggested, the state's primary role is enforcing a set of common laws, with those deemed essential to human liberty clearly stated in a constitution and strictly enforced by a central political authority, with all others deliberated upon and enforced directly by the people themselves at the local level of government. I might add also that I feel that civilization is inherently tyrannical. The important thing is to counter balance one form of tyranny with another. The tyranny of the state is balanced by the tyranny of the people, the economic tyranny of capitalism is balanced by the moral tryanny of the church both of which combine to oppose the political tyranny from both the state and the people. If one social institution is allowed to exlusively possess all possible forms of tyranny - poliltical, economic and moral, than all hope is lost for any notion of freedom and liberty. And no amount of democracy will be enough to deal with the state when it controls all those forms of tyranny.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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Synaptrik

Well, to be honest, I think that I was clouded by Parken's anger. He gets a bit black when he doesn't like something and I mistook your post for his. But mostly I haven't really disagreed too much with you.

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MrPlankton

Personal Ideologies as it relates to government. Leave me alone. Personal Ideologies as it relates to religion. Ecclesiastes 12:12-14

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Diego Moita

A few of my personal beliefs: 1) Personal beliefs are dangerous. They can fossilize into dogmatism, ideologies and prejudice. 2) A society where everyone just takes care of himself is, quite often, a society where the strong prey on the weak. 3) Government and politicians are a necessary evil. Used with care they might not be so evil. Most people don't use them with care. 4) In the long run, politicians don't matter; institutions do matter. 5) I'm not afraid of contradictions. Reality is chaotic, therefore realist people are chaotic. Only dogmatic lunatics are coherent. 6) The pocket is the most sensitive part of the human body. Everybody has good intentions and a noble spirit until it hurts their pockets.

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Oakman

I'll let someone else say it for me: "I believe in my neighbors. I know their faults, and I know that their virtues far outweigh their faults. "I believe in my fellow citizens. Our headlines are splashed with crime yet for every criminal there are 10,000 honest, decent, kindly men. If it were not so, no child would live to grow up. Business could not go on from day to day. Decency is not news. It is buried in the obituaries, but is a force stronger than crime. I believe in the patient gallentry of nurses and the tedious sacrifices of teachers. I believe in the unseen and unending fight against desperate odds that goes on quietly in almost every home in the land. "I believe in Rodger Young. (Americans) are free today because of endless unnamed heroes from Valley Forge to the Yalu River. I believe in -- I am proud to belong to -- the United States. Despite shortcomings from lynchings to bad faith in high places, our nation has had the most decent and kindly internal practices and foreign policies to be found anywhere in history "And finally, I believe in my whole race. Yellow, white, black, red, brown. In the honesty, courage, intelligence, durability, and goodness of the overwhelming majority of my brothers and sisters everywhere on this planet. I am proud to be a human being. I believe that we have come this far by the skin of our teeth. That we always make it just by the skin of our teeth, but that we will always make it. Survive. Endure. I believe that this hairless embryo with the aching, oversize brain case and the opposable thumb, this animal barely up from the apes will endure. Will endure longer than his home planet -- will spread out to the stars and beyond, carrying with him his honesty and his insatiable curiosity, his unlimited courage and his noble essential decency. "This I believe with all my heart." -Robert A. Heinlein.

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Shepman

Were you under the impression that we missed Ilion? Or does his absence just give you more room to display childishness? The Oak may be over the top sometimes, but at his worst, he is more interesting, informative and intelligent than you can ever hope to be.