Personal Ideologies

Synaptrik

Well, to be honest, I think that I was clouded by Parken's anger. He gets a bit black when he doesn't like something and I mistook your post for his. But mostly I haven't really disagreed too much with you.

This statement is false

MrPlankton

Personal Ideologies as it relates to government. Leave me alone. Personal Ideologies as it relates to religion. Ecclesiastes 12:12-14

MrPlankton

Mexican boy: Viene la tormenta! Sarah Connor: What did he just say? Gas Station Attendant: He said there's a storm coming Sarah Connor: [sighs] I know.

Diego Moita

A few of my personal beliefs: 1) Personal beliefs are dangerous. They can fossilize into dogmatism, ideologies and prejudice. 2) A society where everyone just takes care of himself is, quite often, a society where the strong prey on the weak. 3) Government and politicians are a necessary evil. Used with care they might not be so evil. Most people don't use them with care. 4) In the long run, politicians don't matter; institutions do matter. 5) I'm not afraid of contradictions. Reality is chaotic, therefore realist people are chaotic. Only dogmatic lunatics are coherent. 6) The pocket is the most sensitive part of the human body. Everybody has good intentions and a noble spirit until it hurts their pockets.

Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.

Oakman

I'll let someone else say it for me: "I believe in my neighbors. I know their faults, and I know that their virtues far outweigh their faults. "I believe in my fellow citizens. Our headlines are splashed with crime yet for every criminal there are 10,000 honest, decent, kindly men. If it were not so, no child would live to grow up. Business could not go on from day to day. Decency is not news. It is buried in the obituaries, but is a force stronger than crime. I believe in the patient gallentry of nurses and the tedious sacrifices of teachers. I believe in the unseen and unending fight against desperate odds that goes on quietly in almost every home in the land. "I believe in Rodger Young. (Americans) are free today because of endless unnamed heroes from Valley Forge to the Yalu River. I believe in -- I am proud to belong to -- the United States. Despite shortcomings from lynchings to bad faith in high places, our nation has had the most decent and kindly internal practices and foreign policies to be found anywhere in history "And finally, I believe in my whole race. Yellow, white, black, red, brown. In the honesty, courage, intelligence, durability, and goodness of the overwhelming majority of my brothers and sisters everywhere on this planet. I am proud to be a human being. I believe that we have come this far by the skin of our teeth. That we always make it just by the skin of our teeth, but that we will always make it. Survive. Endure. I believe that this hairless embryo with the aching, oversize brain case and the opposable thumb, this animal barely up from the apes will endure. Will endure longer than his home planet -- will spread out to the stars and beyond, carrying with him his honesty and his insatiable curiosity, his unlimited courage and his noble essential decency. "This I believe with all my heart." -Robert A. Heinlein.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

Shepman

Were you under the impression that we missed Ilion? Or does his absence just give you more room to display childishness? The Oak may be over the top sometimes, but at his worst, he is more interesting, informative and intelligent than you can ever hope to be.

Stan Shannon

Shepman wrote:

he is more interesting, informative and intelligent than you can ever hope to be.

No, actually, I'm pretty sure I am at least as informed, well read, well reasoned and intelligent as he is. I simply get in trouble for challanging the social parameters that we are all supposed to acknowledge to be considered morally upright new-agers. As to being interesting, I am the most interesting person I have ever met.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

I'll let someone else say it for me:

There's a surprise... :rolleyes:

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Chris Austin

I really only want a basic federal government and really agree with a federalist system. I think the government should be there to protect us from violence as well as anything or anyone that would try to curtail our freedoms as well as violate our social customs. As far a social safety-net and social services goes I am not inherently against it as long as it is controlled and decided on locally rather than at the federal level. I just think the federal government should strive to stay out of our daily lives except of course in special situations. I agree that trade free of many restrictions is inherently better than a heavy regulated system. But, where I think we have failed is that the people running the companies and those putting them in power lack any respect for our cultural customs. Instead they have opted for a marginal profit growth at all cost approach that is bad for business in the long term. I have no idea how to regulate morality or a respect for customs rather than to let these bad apples fail and be mindful not to support them. Some other things I've grown to believe are: Democracy seems inherently disadvantaged by people whom would blindly consume anything put in front of them rather than think about what they really want and hold dear. No one should ever have to sacrifice [^] but rather give when they feel it is the right thing to do. Mindless Consumerism (keeping up with the Joneses) is not a good goal in life yet it seems the default. There is no such thing as a "social contract". At least I've never signed one.

Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long

modified on Friday, January 23, 2009 7:56 PM

Shepman

Stan Shannon wrote:

As to being interesting, I am the most least interesting person I have ever met.

Arrogance can be simply an appreciation for one's own skill and talents. In your case, however, it appears to be a old man's fantasy. Anything you have said that might possibly be considered interesting you have said so many times that one has to assume that you are simply cutting and pasting. Like Ilion before you, you have given up attempting to communicate - and simply wish to post insults and inanities.

Stan Shannon

Shepman wrote:

Anything you have said that might possibly be considered interesting you have said so many times that one has to assume that you are simply cutting and pasting

I just use this as a froum for refuting commonly held misperceptions about culture, history, politics etc because those misperciptions deserve to be refuted. But, I don't repeat myself any more than does anyone else around here. There is only one known political formula for both optimal economic and social stability which also provides for optimal human liberty and freedom. That formula is the one articulated and formalized by our founding generation. The further we move away from that formula the more we sacrifice either economic stability, social stability or liberty, or (most likely) all of the above. It doesn't matter what anyone wishes things to be like, that is simply a fact.

Shepman wrote:

Like Ilion before you, you have given up attempting to communicate - and simply wish to post insults and inanities.

Except that I don't do that. You just don't like what I communicate. It is your own little way of trying to limit free expression - find a way to demonize what you don't want to hear, an altogether too common tactic in our modern political world.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Sahir Shah · modified on Friday, January 23, 2009 7:01 PM

Stan Shannon wrote:

...tyranny... freedom ...liberty.

You support legislation such as the Patriot Act and yet you scream tyranny if the federal government does anything beyond printing currency and securing the national borders. Make up your mind; are you for or against tyranny?

Rob Graham

Ditto (my turn)

Sahir Shah

yeah and he's punny too.

Shepman · modified on Friday, January 23, 2009 7:01 PM

Stan Shannon wrote:

My core belief is

"f*** this goddamned collectivist piece of sh*t country."[^]

Stan Shannon

Shepman wrote:

"f*** this goddamned collectivist piece of sh*t country."[^]

Indeed...

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

So, precisely how does... "I believe in my neighbors. I know their faults, and I know that their virtues far outweigh their faults. "I believe in my fellow citizens." ... square with libertarian principles? Clearly, you can't 'believe in your fellow citizens' and still fear to give them the freedom and power to participate in defining the rules and standards that define their civilization.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Sahir Shah wrote:

Make up your mind; are you for or against tyranny?

I am both for it and against it.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Shepman wrote:

Stan Shannon wrote: My core belief is "f*** this goddamned collectivist piece of sh*t country."[^]

People used to say that Ilion and Adnan were opposite sides of the same coin. It turns out that Stan and Adnan are the same side of the same coin.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

BoneSoft

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Shepman

Stan Shannon wrote:

Except that I don't do that.

No, of course not. When you wrote, "f*** Lowery, f*** Obama, f*** the democrat party, f*** the liberals, and f*** this goddamned collectivist piece of sh*t country." you weren't trolling, it just seemed that way.