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I really don't have the time, but I wanted to respond in kind with why I like OpenVMS:
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
its open source
Nope, it's developed by an experienced team of dedicated professionals under common leadership and a large corporation stands behind it.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
applications dont just randomly fail
Indeed, not ever.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
its much more user freindly
That's up to the applications; users should never have access to the operating system itself.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
all the settings are easily accesible from the Menu
All settings are easily accessible at the command line.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
it takes about 2 seconds to find computers on the network
Ummm... maybe... define "find" and "network". Listing nodes in the cluster is generally pretty quick.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
it runs quite smoothly
Absolutely, flawlessly, for years at a time.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
it has a load of useful in built tools
You bet, tools like BACKUP, MAIL, PHONE, and SHADOW.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
such as the partion editor
WTF is that? :confused:
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
it has OpenOffice already installed
Heck no, that's likely to crash the system.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
it has a chess game on it
One MicroVAX I used to operate had Cribbage, it probably had chess too.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
the network tools such as Ping are all in one window
All available at the command line.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
you can change pretty much anything you want
Only authorized and privileged system managers are allowed to change anything important. Even then many such changes are logged in the security log.
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Personally I don't care for unbuntu. Too much crud. When working in linux land these days I run ArchLinux and run the awesome window manager (no frills but I love tiling window managers)
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
Not heard of ArchLinux, Im new to Linux :)
Lloyd J. Atkinson http://ljasystems.net/
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I used to use Ubunbtu as my main OS with Windows for games until an update stopped it from recognising my all-in-one Epson. I looked online and found a mess of conflicting suggestions about how to fix it by manually editing setup files, none of which worked, and I eventually decided that I just couldn't be bothered any more and bought XP instead. Haven't looked back since. These days I'd much rather give Adobe £60 for Premier Elements and immediately have a program that just works, than waste days of my life trying to get sub-standard Linux "equivalents" (haha) to (a) work and (b) work together. It's just not worth the effort. Linux / LAMP makes for a good server, but for the desktop, forget it.
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I used to use Ubunbtu as my main OS with Windows for games until an update stopped it from recognising my all-in-one Epson. I looked online and found a mess of conflicting suggestions about how to fix it by manually editing setup files, none of which worked, and I eventually decided that I just couldn't be bothered any more and bought XP instead. Haven't looked back since. These days I'd much rather give Adobe £60 for Premier Elements and immediately have a program that just works, than waste days of my life trying to get sub-standard Linux "equivalents" (haha) to (a) work and (b) work together. It's just not worth the effort. Linux / LAMP makes for a good server, but for the desktop, forget it.
Really? :( That doesnt sound fun at all :| In that case, im glad ive just downloaded a server edition of Linux :)
Lloyd J. Atkinson http://ljasystems.net/
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That's what I said - for the first couple of weeks. I hope you don't use sound BTW.
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Sound is fine unless you use a Creative Labs card. As soon as I ditched my SB Live, and went with the onboard sound on my motherboard, Linux picked it up just fine. I imagine some of the alternative sound card manufacturers (by "alternative", I mean anything but Creative Labs) may provide direct support for Linux, but since I'm not a soundophile, I don't have any direct experience with that. I look for Linux hardware support solutions on this web site[^].
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
I used to use Ubunbtu as my main OS with Windows for games until an update stopped it from recognising my all-in-one Epson. I looked online and found a mess of conflicting suggestions about how to fix it by manually editing setup files, none of which worked, and I eventually decided that I just couldn't be bothered any more and bought XP instead. Haven't looked back since. These days I'd much rather give Adobe £60 for Premier Elements and immediately have a program that just works, than waste days of my life trying to get sub-standard Linux "equivalents" (haha) to (a) work and (b) work together. It's just not worth the effort. Linux / LAMP makes for a good server, but for the desktop, forget it.
Yup. If you do anything more than web browsing, email, editing configuration files, or playing LBreakout, Linux is pointless.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
And what do you mean WTF is a partiton editor
I think "WTF" may actually be the name of a Linux partition manager. You know how those open source guys like to give weirdly ironic names to their applications.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
And what do you mean WTF is a partiton editor
I think "WTF" may actually be the name of a Linux partition manager. You know how those open source guys like to give weirdly ironic names to their applications.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001You're kidding :laugh: , right? Wow, what a random name for the program :-D Yeah, Ive noticed, almost every app Ive used on Linux has some weird name :-D
Lloyd J. Atkinson http://ljasystems.net/
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That's what I said - for the first couple of weeks. I hope you don't use sound BTW.
Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
Sound?:confused::confused:
Lloyd J. Atkinson http://ljasystems.net/
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Yup. If you do anything more than web browsing, email, editing configuration files, or playing LBreakout, Linux is pointless.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001I have to beg to differ. I have been using Ubuntu as my main development machine for more than a year now and to me it has been a good solid OS. Where I had to reformat my windows every X months because it was getting slower and slower as each week went by, Ubuntu has never given me that problem.Ubuntu has a auto updater same as windows except it checks for updates for all installed applications at once instead of letting every application try to connect to their own respective server when ever you dial a connection to the Internet, keeping it all centralised and neat in one accessible application. I am yet to find an application that I need that does not have a stable linux equivalent that I can download and install for free. And yes I do a lot more than "web browsing, email, editing configuration files, or playing LBreakout" quite alot more actualy :) I have to say, for the last 2 releases (8.4 && 8.10) there has been quite big updates to the system it self that made it even more user friendly and easier to use. You would not have caught me dead 2 years ago telling people that linux becoming as easy to use as windows, but alas, they are getting there quickly at their current pace of development and improvement. Ps. For the people that like eye candy, compwiz has all the wow effects you can expect and more. You will be very hard pressed to be able to customise windows to the same extent that you can customise the Ubuntu interface with just a few clicks, not even going into what you can do if you really know what you are doing.
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Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
big reply
Mostly whitespace though.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
partiton editor
Only on DOS. Maybe later I'll take a look.
Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
if you wanted a couple of operating systems on a disk
With OpenVMS you can have several "satellite" systems boot across the network off one disk. You can also have one system boot with different settings. And I'm pretty sure you can have an Alpha or Itanium with OpenVMS and Unix (and Windows?) installed, but I don't see why you would. I recall that in the OpenVMS management class I took, some utility was used that made a disk appear as several smaller disks. It made sense for a class, but why would you in production?
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I have to beg to differ. I have been using Ubuntu as my main development machine for more than a year now and to me it has been a good solid OS. Where I had to reformat my windows every X months because it was getting slower and slower as each week went by, Ubuntu has never given me that problem.Ubuntu has a auto updater same as windows except it checks for updates for all installed applications at once instead of letting every application try to connect to their own respective server when ever you dial a connection to the Internet, keeping it all centralised and neat in one accessible application. I am yet to find an application that I need that does not have a stable linux equivalent that I can download and install for free. And yes I do a lot more than "web browsing, email, editing configuration files, or playing LBreakout" quite alot more actualy :) I have to say, for the last 2 releases (8.4 && 8.10) there has been quite big updates to the system it self that made it even more user friendly and easier to use. You would not have caught me dead 2 years ago telling people that linux becoming as easy to use as windows, but alas, they are getting there quickly at their current pace of development and improvement. Ps. For the people that like eye candy, compwiz has all the wow effects you can expect and more. You will be very hard pressed to be able to customise windows to the same extent that you can customise the Ubuntu interface with just a few clicks, not even going into what you can do if you really know what you are doing.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls liveC aveFox wrote:
I have been using Ubuntu as my main development machine for more than a year now and to me it has been a good solid OS.
And what do you use to develop code? Certainly not Eclipse/Mono...
C aveFox wrote:
Where I had to reformat my windows every X months because it was getting slower and slower as each week went by
I really don't understand this statement. I have *never* experienced a "gradual slowdown" in Windows (nor even a sudden slowdown for that matter). Even when I was running Windows 98, I went YEARS between formats, and every time I did format, it was because I had changed motherboards, and simply didn't want to have to deal with hardware issues. Of course, I'm not stupid enough to install every little toolbar and stupid that comes down the pike either.
CaveFox wrote:
Ubuntu has a auto updater same as windows except it checks for updates for all installed applications at once instead of letting every application try to connect to their own respective server when ever you dial a connection to the Internet, keeping it all centralised and neat in one accessible application
The reasons for this are quite obvious. Linux is based on FOSS, where Microsoft can't legally host other companies' software on their server. It is therefore up to the application's manufacturer to provide that service. This is a non-argument. Besides, I turn off auto-updates anyway.
C aveFox wrote:
For the people that like eye candy, compwiz has all the wow effects you can expect and more
...and results vary widely depending on your hardware. I noticed you didn't mention the extreme bullshit one has to wade through to get their video/sound/printer hardware working correctly. Nope - Linux simply isn't ready for general use unless you're a propeller head who's willing to go through the gyrations of getting everything to work the way it's supposed to. Since I have to write .Net code, it simply doesn't make sense to install Linux, because I still have to have a Windows VM available to run Visual Studio (because Wine isn't compatible with VS (any version that supports .Net development). How stupid is that?
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I used to use Ubunbtu as my main OS with Windows for games until an update stopped it from recognising my all-in-one Epson. I looked online and found a mess of conflicting suggestions about how to fix it by manually editing setup files, none of which worked, and I eventually decided that I just couldn't be bothered any more and bought XP instead. Haven't looked back since. These days I'd much rather give Adobe £60 for Premier Elements and immediately have a program that just works, than waste days of my life trying to get sub-standard Linux "equivalents" (haha) to (a) work and (b) work together. It's just not worth the effort. Linux / LAMP makes for a good server, but for the desktop, forget it.
Steve_Harris wrote:
Ubunbtu
Yes, it makes me stutter too.
In January you said "Money in April" - That was two years ago! B. Python
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Sound is fine unless you use a Creative Labs card. As soon as I ditched my SB Live, and went with the onboard sound on my motherboard, Linux picked it up just fine. I imagine some of the alternative sound card manufacturers (by "alternative", I mean anything but Creative Labs) may provide direct support for Linux, but since I'm not a soundophile, I don't have any direct experience with that. I look for Linux hardware support solutions on this web site[^].
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001I had problems such as the CMI drivers work but you have to try out different I/O configurations to find out how the board is wired, updates break sound etc... ALSA is about the best Linux sound support I've found.
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Sound?:confused::confused:
Lloyd J. Atkinson http://ljasystems.net/
Card manufacturers rarely provide Linux drviers - in part because a lot of Linux users refuse to use closed drivers. This means you are dependant on open source drivers wher the authors often can't get information on the chip/card, hence John's comment about Creative.
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C aveFox wrote:
I have been using Ubuntu as my main development machine for more than a year now and to me it has been a good solid OS.
And what do you use to develop code? Certainly not Eclipse/Mono...
C aveFox wrote:
Where I had to reformat my windows every X months because it was getting slower and slower as each week went by
I really don't understand this statement. I have *never* experienced a "gradual slowdown" in Windows (nor even a sudden slowdown for that matter). Even when I was running Windows 98, I went YEARS between formats, and every time I did format, it was because I had changed motherboards, and simply didn't want to have to deal with hardware issues. Of course, I'm not stupid enough to install every little toolbar and stupid that comes down the pike either.
CaveFox wrote:
Ubuntu has a auto updater same as windows except it checks for updates for all installed applications at once instead of letting every application try to connect to their own respective server when ever you dial a connection to the Internet, keeping it all centralised and neat in one accessible application
The reasons for this are quite obvious. Linux is based on FOSS, where Microsoft can't legally host other companies' software on their server. It is therefore up to the application's manufacturer to provide that service. This is a non-argument. Besides, I turn off auto-updates anyway.
C aveFox wrote:
For the people that like eye candy, compwiz has all the wow effects you can expect and more
...and results vary widely depending on your hardware. I noticed you didn't mention the extreme bullshit one has to wade through to get their video/sound/printer hardware working correctly. Nope - Linux simply isn't ready for general use unless you're a propeller head who's willing to go through the gyrations of getting everything to work the way it's supposed to. Since I have to write .Net code, it simply doesn't make sense to install Linux, because I still have to have a Windows VM available to run Visual Studio (because Wine isn't compatible with VS (any version that supports .Net development). How stupid is that?
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Linux simply isn't ready for general use unless you're a propeller head who's willing to go through the gyrations of getting everything to work the way it's supposed to.
Having recently tried several Linux flavors including Ubuntu, I have to agree with John. In my opinion, Linux is somewhere around a Win 3.1 release. I was hoping to keep some old hardware useful, but the time required learning a new version of "DOS" just to get simple tasks done and searching for drivers of obsolete hardware was more trouble than it was worth. It actually made me appreciate how far Windows (XP) has come.
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Card manufacturers rarely provide Linux drviers - in part because a lot of Linux users refuse to use closed drivers. This means you are dependant on open source drivers wher the authors often can't get information on the chip/card, hence John's comment about Creative.
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Trollslayer wrote:
comment about Creative
And as long as Creative has been considered the defacto standard sound card, you would think that SOMEONE in the Linux camp would have figured out the drivers for the cards, but nooooooo. They're too busy porting their operating system to a piece of frakking bathroom tile.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Trollslayer wrote:
comment about Creative
And as long as Creative has been considered the defacto standard sound card, you would think that SOMEONE in the Linux camp would have figured out the drivers for the cards, but nooooooo. They're too busy porting their operating system to a piece of frakking bathroom tile.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Steve_Harris wrote:
Ubunbtu
Yes, it makes me stutter too.
In January you said "Money in April" - That was two years ago! B. Python
:laugh: No wonder I had problems with it!