Republic Day wishes for all Indians
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Oh my giddy Aunt... History rewritten as we speak. You didn't throw us out, we handed it back. Point out the battles fought against us in your war of independance and I will eat my words. If, however, we decided that after the war we could no longer pay for and police the empire then you are right. And anyway, if UK is so bad how come so many indians want to live here?
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
Hi friend, I am a proud Indian. However I believe facts are facts and I agree that had British-ers not accepted to leave, it was not would have taken some more time to get independence. UK is no doubt a great place, so is India - I am proud of everything and everyplace that is Human & Morally Nice. I just wish people gain wisdom and start respecting others and start living peacefully.
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You are not correct. We Indians adopted our constitution and became a republic on this day. Nothing in relation to the independence, we had already got independent 3 years before this day. Be Proud, but with facts... Anyhow... don't be upset HAPPY REPUBLIC DAY to all Indians Jai Hind
Although India was independent on 15th Aug 1947, it was led by King George VI till Republic day. That way Vikram is right.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
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India didn't exist when first we went to the subcontinant. It was an amalgam of nation states, it was the British that unified it. And gave it Railways. And a Civil Service. And Democracy. And The English Language.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
Dalek Dave wrote:
India didn't exist when first we went to the subcontinant
Rubbish, the lands currently belonging to the Republic of India and its neighbouring countries have been called India for centuries. If, however, you meant India had not existed as a single entity within these borders, you would be right.
Dalek Dave wrote:
it was the British that unified it
And it was the British that tore it into two.
Dalek Dave wrote:
And gave it Railways. And a Civil Service. And Democracy. And The English Language.
These I appreciate, but there was a much darker side to British rule in India: any number of famines in response to which the British did nothing, Jallianwala Bagh, forced conversions, the Doctrine of Lapse, the Rowlatt Act, Partition, I could go on. Democracy? Bullsh*t. Britain may have practised democracy at home, but her rule in India was nowhere near that.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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You are not correct. We Indians adopted our constitution and became a republic on this day. Nothing in relation to the independence, we had already got independent 3 years before this day. Be Proud, but with facts... Anyhow... don't be upset HAPPY REPUBLIC DAY to all Indians Jai Hind
King George the whatever was Head of State of India until this day in 1950.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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d@nish wrote:
And slavery.
We didn't invent slavery, that was around in ancient Egypt. We did Abolish it though, it was us that did that, and went around the world abolishing it. We even fought a war in america to get it abolished, but hey, thanks for rewriting history to salve your Anti English Feelings.
d@nish wrote:
And lots of taxes.
We didn't invent Taxes, that was probably the Romans or Greeks, but hey, it was our taxes that helped to pay for the Indian Railway system, and all that Education, etc. Still, I am glad you live in a country where you are no longer taxed because you managed kick out the English you obviously hate.
d@nish wrote:
And partition(result of divide and rule policy).
Again, it was the Indians that wanted partition (See Here[^]) You all hated each other so much you had to be divided to stop a war. Funny because you are still fighting it. You hate the English and the Pakistani's. Is everything governed by hatred? Look, if you really love your country, learn it's history for yourself, not what someone with an agenda has told you. The British were not the worst part of your history, and in fact were a power for good in many ways. Stop hating things you can do nothing about, it is divisive. Be positive.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
Dalek Dave wrote:
your Anti English Feelings
Dalek Dave wrote:
the English you obviously hate
Dalek Dave wrote:
You hate the English
Wow, Danish pointed out that British rule in India was not happiness and sunshine, and you've branded him an English-hater?
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Happy Republic day Vikram :) Bob should put on something Indian :D
Thanks, Mustafa :)
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Bob should put on something Indian
I've been asking Chris for years :sigh:
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Although India was independent on 15th Aug 1947, it was led by King George VI till Republic day. That way Vikram is right.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
I agree on your mentioned fact, however its yet not required to be to arrogant to others. No matter if anyone agree or deny, this is also a fact that if British rule had not accepted to give independence there would have been some more time of British rule in India. Anyhow, whatever is or was or could have been - why too arrogant to say 'we threw you out'. Being polite is not bad. Be Proud but stay humble... thats the way one and all should at-least try to be.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
your Anti English Feelings
Dalek Dave wrote:
the English you obviously hate
Dalek Dave wrote:
You hate the English
Wow, Danish pointed out that British rule in India was not happiness and sunshine, and you've branded him an English-hater?
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do! Slavery. Taxes. Partition. Also he denies they good things they did do. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd? He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think? If I was to sit here and constantly bemoan and run down India, would you like it? I think not. I defend my countries reputation for it is a good one, ok we have had our dark moments, but generally we have been a force for good in the world.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
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Dalek Dave wrote:
India didn't exist when first we went to the subcontinant
Rubbish, the lands currently belonging to the Republic of India and its neighbouring countries have been called India for centuries. If, however, you meant India had not existed as a single entity within these borders, you would be right.
Dalek Dave wrote:
it was the British that unified it
And it was the British that tore it into two.
Dalek Dave wrote:
And gave it Railways. And a Civil Service. And Democracy. And The English Language.
These I appreciate, but there was a much darker side to British rule in India: any number of famines in response to which the British did nothing, Jallianwala Bagh, forced conversions, the Doctrine of Lapse, the Rowlatt Act, Partition, I could go on. Democracy? Bullsh*t. Britain may have practised democracy at home, but her rule in India was nowhere near that.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
Fair comment on some points... But also, the Indians weren't just subserviant vassels, they fought hard too, and in any military campaigne things will happen that are not pleasant. Remember too that this was over a period of several hundred years, morals and practices alter over time. What was acceptable then would not be acceptable now. We cannot view history with todays eyes and see it as it was. We must attempt to see it through the eyes of those who were there. Certainly I cannot defend the Famines, whilst not started by the British, could well have benn eased somewhat, but political decisions were made, and that was wrong. But please do not blame us for partition! As for democracy, you have it now, late maybe but present, and before most other countries in the world. (look east to Myanmar if you want to see suffering)
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
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Happy Republic day Vikram :) Bob should put on something Indian :D
Don't know why this was down voted, I will correct! Also
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Bob should put on something Indian
Yeah a large pot of Chicken Madrass!
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
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No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do! Slavery. Taxes. Partition. Also he denies they good things they did do. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd? He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think? If I was to sit here and constantly bemoan and run down India, would you like it? I think not. I defend my countries reputation for it is a good one, ok we have had our dark moments, but generally we have been a force for good in the world.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
I agree 100% to your statement that there were many good things done and yet there were some dark patches. I do not say I am all for UK or US or anywhere. I just know that I am a Proud Indian, but I respect others too. What I like most of the US & UK people is about the way they are too proud of their nation. The same way I am a proud Indian, yet I cant control others who speak without facts, and who cant accepts the good of other in shadow of some or many darks of someone. I can agree that British rule or any rule was or is or can never be good for India, or just anyone. But that was there - we cant deny facts, and cant deny the gains we had (sort of blessings in disguise) Well, I dont wanna fight here - just a humble polite message of humanity and peace to all... Lets celebrate our happiness, by sharing it with others and not blaming others. Jai Hind We alone cant but still can at least wish to make this world a better place to live in.
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Don't know why this was down voted, I will correct! Also
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Bob should put on something Indian
Yeah a large pot of Chicken Madrass!
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
My guess is that someone finds Indian clothing not to their taste? OT: Speaking of taste, my mother in law came back last night from Birmingham and she bought me a whole wheel of Stilton! The first time I've tasted said cheese and by far, it has become my favorite blue cheese! :D
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Thats my name. I hope you have heard of Danish Kaneria, a Pakistani crickter.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
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No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do! Slavery. Taxes. Partition. Also he denies they good things they did do. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd? He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think? If I was to sit here and constantly bemoan and run down India, would you like it? I think not. I defend my countries reputation for it is a good one, ok we have had our dark moments, but generally we have been a force for good in the world.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
Dalek Dave wrote:
Slavery. Taxes. Partition.
I think the British are guilty on all three aspects. However, to their credit, 1. they abolished slavery (and other evils, like Sati) 2. taxes on small farmers were so huge they lost their lands and this exacerbated the famines 3. partition was demanded by a section of Indians as well (although pretty much all of them became Pakistanis). Your claims that slavery was first practised in Egypt is a complete non sequitur. Nobody accused the British of inventing slavery.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Also he denies they good things they did do.
Really? He specifically says, "I am not denying the things you have mentioned"[^] while it is you who showed the benign face, and chose to leave out the less-than-honourable facets of the Empire.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He is venting anti english views
Again the "anti-English" charge! He merely pointed out the unsavoury aspects of British rule in India, he did not say the British were scum or evil personified. So criticizing British excesses is being anti-English? :confused: If I criticize actions of the Israeli Government, would I be anti-Semetic? :| I think I've been balanced here, but obviously, it's not for me to judge my own posts. And before you turn on to me with your "anti-English" allegations (hey, I've criticized British rule too!) I have English friends, both here on CP, and the ones I made last year in your lovely country. Most of them would have wished my country a happy Republic Day, and left it at that. And none of them glossed over what the Raj did in India, they recognize it had its dark hours, and for my bit, I recognize the good it has brought to India.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do! Slavery. Taxes. Partition. Also he denies they good things they did do. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd? He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think? If I was to sit here and constantly bemoan and run down India, would you like it? I think not. I defend my countries reputation for it is a good one, ok we have had our dark moments, but generally we have been a force for good in the world.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
Dalek Dave wrote:
No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do!
Slavery abolition act came up in 1833. Before that? Land taxes were very high during British rule. Partition is something that was not done by British. But they were always aware of the ongoing Hindu-Muslim and fueled it.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Also he denies they good things they did do.
I said I am not denying it.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think?
I am not anti-English. But I have always and will always hate at least people like Gen. Dyer, whether anyone like it or not.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
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I agree 100% to your statement that there were many good things done and yet there were some dark patches. I do not say I am all for UK or US or anywhere. I just know that I am a Proud Indian, but I respect others too. What I like most of the US & UK people is about the way they are too proud of their nation. The same way I am a proud Indian, yet I cant control others who speak without facts, and who cant accepts the good of other in shadow of some or many darks of someone. I can agree that British rule or any rule was or is or can never be good for India, or just anyone. But that was there - we cant deny facts, and cant deny the gains we had (sort of blessings in disguise) Well, I dont wanna fight here - just a humble polite message of humanity and peace to all... Lets celebrate our happiness, by sharing it with others and not blaming others. Jai Hind We alone cant but still can at least wish to make this world a better place to live in.
Viv Kapoor wrote:
Lets celebrate our happiness, by sharing it with others and not blaming others.
Well said, and a 5 for that too!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Slavery. Taxes. Partition.
I think the British are guilty on all three aspects. However, to their credit, 1. they abolished slavery (and other evils, like Sati) 2. taxes on small farmers were so huge they lost their lands and this exacerbated the famines 3. partition was demanded by a section of Indians as well (although pretty much all of them became Pakistanis). Your claims that slavery was first practised in Egypt is a complete non sequitur. Nobody accused the British of inventing slavery.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Also he denies they good things they did do.
Really? He specifically says, "I am not denying the things you have mentioned"[^] while it is you who showed the benign face, and chose to leave out the less-than-honourable facets of the Empire.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He is venting anti english views
Again the "anti-English" charge! He merely pointed out the unsavoury aspects of British rule in India, he did not say the British were scum or evil personified. So criticizing British excesses is being anti-English? :confused: If I criticize actions of the Israeli Government, would I be anti-Semetic? :| I think I've been balanced here, but obviously, it's not for me to judge my own posts. And before you turn on to me with your "anti-English" allegations (hey, I've criticized British rule too!) I have English friends, both here on CP, and the ones I made last year in your lovely country. Most of them would have wished my country a happy Republic Day, and left it at that. And none of them glossed over what the Raj did in India, they recognize it had its dark hours, and for my bit, I recognize the good it has brought to India.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
Leave all such discussions friend. Just BE PROUD AS AN INDIAN. Show your true Indian spirit and be humble and nice to all. Respect everyone and disrespect none. Wish you and all, again: A Very Happy Republic Day Jai Hind
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Fair comment on some points... But also, the Indians weren't just subserviant vassels, they fought hard too, and in any military campaigne things will happen that are not pleasant. Remember too that this was over a period of several hundred years, morals and practices alter over time. What was acceptable then would not be acceptable now. We cannot view history with todays eyes and see it as it was. We must attempt to see it through the eyes of those who were there. Certainly I cannot defend the Famines, whilst not started by the British, could well have benn eased somewhat, but political decisions were made, and that was wrong. But please do not blame us for partition! As for democracy, you have it now, late maybe but present, and before most other countries in the world. (look east to Myanmar if you want to see suffering)
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
Dalek Dave wrote:
But also, the Indians weren't just subserviant vassels, they fought hard too, and in any military campaigne things will happen that are not pleasant.
Jallianwala Bagh, Rowlatt Act, Doctrine of Lapse - which of these are you referring to as a military campaign?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Remember too that this was over a period of several hundred years, morals and practices alter over time. What was acceptable then would not be acceptable now. We cannot view history with todays eyes and see it as it was.
I perfectly understand that, which is why I stopped with reminding you that British rule in India was not hunky dory as you painted it to be.
Dalek Dave wrote:
But please do not blame us for partition!
These days, I've come around to the notion that I should thank the British for Partition: look at Adnan Siddiqui and all that goes round in Pakistan. I shudder to think that these people might have been... Indians.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do!
Slavery abolition act came up in 1833. Before that? Land taxes were very high during British rule. Partition is something that was not done by British. But they were always aware of the ongoing Hindu-Muslim and fueled it.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Also he denies they good things they did do.
I said I am not denying it.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think?
I am not anti-English. But I have always and will always hate at least people like Gen. Dyer, whether anyone like it or not.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
d@nish wrote:
Dalek Dave wrote: Also he denies they good things they did do. I said I am not denying it.
Apologies It was the manner in which it was presented, I realise I was wrong.
d@nish wrote:
Dalek Dave wrote: He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think? I am not anti-English. But I have always and will always hate at least people like Gen. Dyer, whether anyone like it or not.
I appreciate your dislike for individuals, but do not tar us all with the same brush. The tone employed did convey an anti-English feeling, whether intentional or not. I wish you well on your national day, this topic has got a little heated, and it is time perhaps to cool it. Do not jusdge me on the actions of individuals 200 years ago. I have Indian friends and colleagues, and have no gripes with them. (Except when it comes to Cricket, in which case you ARE the enemy :) )
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60th Republic Day[^] for India :cool: Saare jahaan se achcha, Hindustan hamara!
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.