Republic Day wishes for all Indians
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No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do! Slavery. Taxes. Partition. Also he denies they good things they did do. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd? He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think? If I was to sit here and constantly bemoan and run down India, would you like it? I think not. I defend my countries reputation for it is a good one, ok we have had our dark moments, but generally we have been a force for good in the world.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
Dalek Dave wrote:
No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do!
Slavery abolition act came up in 1833. Before that? Land taxes were very high during British rule. Partition is something that was not done by British. But they were always aware of the ongoing Hindu-Muslim and fueled it.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Also he denies they good things they did do.
I said I am not denying it.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think?
I am not anti-English. But I have always and will always hate at least people like Gen. Dyer, whether anyone like it or not.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
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I agree 100% to your statement that there were many good things done and yet there were some dark patches. I do not say I am all for UK or US or anywhere. I just know that I am a Proud Indian, but I respect others too. What I like most of the US & UK people is about the way they are too proud of their nation. The same way I am a proud Indian, yet I cant control others who speak without facts, and who cant accepts the good of other in shadow of some or many darks of someone. I can agree that British rule or any rule was or is or can never be good for India, or just anyone. But that was there - we cant deny facts, and cant deny the gains we had (sort of blessings in disguise) Well, I dont wanna fight here - just a humble polite message of humanity and peace to all... Lets celebrate our happiness, by sharing it with others and not blaming others. Jai Hind We alone cant but still can at least wish to make this world a better place to live in.
Viv Kapoor wrote:
Lets celebrate our happiness, by sharing it with others and not blaming others.
Well said, and a 5 for that too!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Slavery. Taxes. Partition.
I think the British are guilty on all three aspects. However, to their credit, 1. they abolished slavery (and other evils, like Sati) 2. taxes on small farmers were so huge they lost their lands and this exacerbated the famines 3. partition was demanded by a section of Indians as well (although pretty much all of them became Pakistanis). Your claims that slavery was first practised in Egypt is a complete non sequitur. Nobody accused the British of inventing slavery.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Also he denies they good things they did do.
Really? He specifically says, "I am not denying the things you have mentioned"[^] while it is you who showed the benign face, and chose to leave out the less-than-honourable facets of the Empire.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He is venting anti english views
Again the "anti-English" charge! He merely pointed out the unsavoury aspects of British rule in India, he did not say the British were scum or evil personified. So criticizing British excesses is being anti-English? :confused: If I criticize actions of the Israeli Government, would I be anti-Semetic? :| I think I've been balanced here, but obviously, it's not for me to judge my own posts. And before you turn on to me with your "anti-English" allegations (hey, I've criticized British rule too!) I have English friends, both here on CP, and the ones I made last year in your lovely country. Most of them would have wished my country a happy Republic Day, and left it at that. And none of them glossed over what the Raj did in India, they recognize it had its dark hours, and for my bit, I recognize the good it has brought to India.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
Leave all such discussions friend. Just BE PROUD AS AN INDIAN. Show your true Indian spirit and be humble and nice to all. Respect everyone and disrespect none. Wish you and all, again: A Very Happy Republic Day Jai Hind
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Fair comment on some points... But also, the Indians weren't just subserviant vassels, they fought hard too, and in any military campaigne things will happen that are not pleasant. Remember too that this was over a period of several hundred years, morals and practices alter over time. What was acceptable then would not be acceptable now. We cannot view history with todays eyes and see it as it was. We must attempt to see it through the eyes of those who were there. Certainly I cannot defend the Famines, whilst not started by the British, could well have benn eased somewhat, but political decisions were made, and that was wrong. But please do not blame us for partition! As for democracy, you have it now, late maybe but present, and before most other countries in the world. (look east to Myanmar if you want to see suffering)
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
Dalek Dave wrote:
But also, the Indians weren't just subserviant vassels, they fought hard too, and in any military campaigne things will happen that are not pleasant.
Jallianwala Bagh, Rowlatt Act, Doctrine of Lapse - which of these are you referring to as a military campaign?
Dalek Dave wrote:
Remember too that this was over a period of several hundred years, morals and practices alter over time. What was acceptable then would not be acceptable now. We cannot view history with todays eyes and see it as it was.
I perfectly understand that, which is why I stopped with reminding you that British rule in India was not hunky dory as you painted it to be.
Dalek Dave wrote:
But please do not blame us for partition!
These days, I've come around to the notion that I should thank the British for Partition: look at Adnan Siddiqui and all that goes round in Pakistan. I shudder to think that these people might have been... Indians.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do!
Slavery abolition act came up in 1833. Before that? Land taxes were very high during British rule. Partition is something that was not done by British. But they were always aware of the ongoing Hindu-Muslim and fueled it.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Also he denies they good things they did do.
I said I am not denying it.
Dalek Dave wrote:
He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think?
I am not anti-English. But I have always and will always hate at least people like Gen. Dyer, whether anyone like it or not.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
d@nish wrote:
Dalek Dave wrote: Also he denies they good things they did do. I said I am not denying it.
Apologies It was the manner in which it was presented, I realise I was wrong.
d@nish wrote:
Dalek Dave wrote: He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think? I am not anti-English. But I have always and will always hate at least people like Gen. Dyer, whether anyone like it or not.
I appreciate your dislike for individuals, but do not tar us all with the same brush. The tone employed did convey an anti-English feeling, whether intentional or not. I wish you well on your national day, this topic has got a little heated, and it is time perhaps to cool it. Do not jusdge me on the actions of individuals 200 years ago. I have Indian friends and colleagues, and have no gripes with them. (Except when it comes to Cricket, in which case you ARE the enemy :) )
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60th Republic Day[^] for India :cool: Saare jahaan se achcha, Hindustan hamara!
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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My guess is that someone finds Indian clothing not to their taste? OT: Speaking of taste, my mother in law came back last night from Birmingham and she bought me a whole wheel of Stilton! The first time I've tasted said cheese and by far, it has become my favorite blue cheese! :D
On a digestive cracker with brie instead of butter, gorgeous! I love Stilton and Roquefort.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
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Happy Republic Day.
Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
Thank you for the wishes, Elaine :) :rose:
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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I agree on your mentioned fact, however its yet not required to be to arrogant to others. No matter if anyone agree or deny, this is also a fact that if British rule had not accepted to give independence there would have been some more time of British rule in India. Anyhow, whatever is or was or could have been - why too arrogant to say 'we threw you out'. Being polite is not bad. Be Proud but stay humble... thats the way one and all should at-least try to be.
Viv Kapoor wrote:
why too arrogant to say 'we threw you out'.
Whoa, I put in the smiley to show I was joking. I wasn't feeling arrogant at all!
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Happy Republic day Vikram :) Bob should put on something Indian :D
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Bob should put on something Indian
I agree. However as a Brit I cannot think of anything that would instantly suggest Indian, without being instantly branded racist or whatever. Turban is only worn by a section of the population yet is taken to represent India by a large portion of non-Indians. What would you suggest?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
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On a digestive cracker with brie instead of butter, gorgeous! I love Stilton and Roquefort.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
I love most cheeses, but blues generally are my preferred and Roquefort was my favorite and then I tried Stilton. Heaven! Currently, stilton reigns supreme amongst my preferred cheeses!
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Bob should put on something Indian
I agree. However as a Brit I cannot think of anything that would instantly suggest Indian, without being instantly branded racist or whatever. Turban is only worn by a section of the population yet is taken to represent India by a large portion of non-Indians. What would you suggest?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
Not a clue. The first stereotypical images that come to mind (for either sex) are: 1. A bindi 2. A turban 3. A sari 4. A sherwani 5. A Kurta But I leave it to other to choose how Bob should be clothed!
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Not a clue. The first stereotypical images that come to mind (for either sex) are: 1. A bindi 2. A turban 3. A sari 4. A sherwani 5. A Kurta But I leave it to other to choose how Bob should be clothed!
Perhaps Chris can't find anyone who can draw a Turban?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
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No, I am claiming he hates the English for he is blaming them for things they did not do! Slavery. Taxes. Partition. Also he denies they good things they did do. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd? He is venting anti english views, fine, although somewhat racist don't you think? If I was to sit here and constantly bemoan and run down India, would you like it? I think not. I defend my countries reputation for it is a good one, ok we have had our dark moments, but generally we have been a force for good in the world.
------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Bob should put on something Indian
I agree. However as a Brit I cannot think of anything that would instantly suggest Indian, without being instantly branded racist or whatever. Turban is only worn by a section of the population yet is taken to represent India by a large portion of non-Indians. What would you suggest?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
Turbans aren't pan-Indian, but I doubt anybody would brand you a racist for suggesting an Indian Bob wear a turban. Rohit Sinha created a kurta pyjama Bob that attained cult status :cool: but Chris has never put it up. :|
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Bob should put on something Indian
I agree. However as a Brit I cannot think of anything that would instantly suggest Indian, without being instantly branded racist or whatever. Turban is only worn by a section of the population yet is taken to represent India by a large portion of non-Indians. What would you suggest?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"