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    Brian Azzopardi
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    http://forum.deviantart.com/403142[^] What do you think? Personally I think that it will never come to scenario envisioned (too many ifs and buts) but I wouldn't bet against MS not trying. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur

    [eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]

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    • B Brian Azzopardi

      http://forum.deviantart.com/403142[^] What do you think? Personally I think that it will never come to scenario envisioned (too many ifs and buts) but I wouldn't bet against MS not trying. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur

      [eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]

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      Tomasz Sowinski
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      Brian Azzopardi wrote: What do you think? 50 ad popups is too much :) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com

      ** Putt knot yore thrust inn spel chequers. **

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      • B Brian Azzopardi

        http://forum.deviantart.com/403142[^] What do you think? Personally I think that it will never come to scenario envisioned (too many ifs and buts) but I wouldn't bet against MS not trying. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur

        [eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]

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        Senkwe Chanda
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        Sounds like much ado about nothing. Plus Palladium is old news now. Frankly, I don't even see what harm it could do since it does mean a safer network judging from the few sketchy docs I've read on the subject. So we're going to have the net splintered into "safe zone" and "unsafe zone". Since I have nothing to hide I guess it's no big deal to me ;P ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff

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        • T Tomasz Sowinski

          Brian Azzopardi wrote: What do you think? 50 ad popups is too much :) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com

          ** Putt knot yore thrust inn spel chequers. **

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          Martin Haesemeyer
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          Tomasz Sowinski wrote: 50 ad popups is too much Yup! Thats the time when I hit the STOP button of zonelarm... ;) to fix things up. Cheers Martin "Situation normal - all fu***d up" Illuminatus!

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          • B Brian Azzopardi

            http://forum.deviantart.com/403142[^] What do you think? Personally I think that it will never come to scenario envisioned (too many ifs and buts) but I wouldn't bet against MS not trying. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur

            [eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]

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            Paul Watson
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            Brian Azzopardi wrote: http://forum.deviantart.com/403142\[^\] What do you think? As some of the replies to that post say: The system will be cracked before it even goes live. And didn't Intel get bulldozed into removing their CPU ID system? That was just a simple ID system, this Palladium (attack 5/defense 4) will get about as established as a C++ programmer in a VB conference. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."

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              Brian Azzopardi wrote: http://forum.deviantart.com/403142\[^\] What do you think? As some of the replies to that post say: The system will be cracked before it even goes live. And didn't Intel get bulldozed into removing their CPU ID system? That was just a simple ID system, this Palladium (attack 5/defense 4) will get about as established as a C++ programmer in a VB conference. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."

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              Senkwe Chanda
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              Paul Watson wrote: this Palladium (attack 5/defense 4) will get about as established as a C++ programmer in a VB conference I think it has a good chance at survival if you push the phrase "war on terrorism" to it's limits. Governments might opt int. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff

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              • B Brian Azzopardi

                http://forum.deviantart.com/403142[^] What do you think? Personally I think that it will never come to scenario envisioned (too many ifs and buts) but I wouldn't bet against MS not trying. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur

                [eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]

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                Michael P Butler
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                Brian Azzopardi wrote: _http://forum.deviantart.com/403142\[^\]_ Did anybody else read this as deviant tart and get very disappointed when visiting the site :cool: Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.

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                  Brian Azzopardi wrote: _http://forum.deviantart.com/403142\[^\]_ Did anybody else read this as deviant tart and get very disappointed when visiting the site :cool: Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.

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                  Brian Azzopardi
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                  Michael P Butler wrote: Did anybody else read this as deviant tart and get very disappointed :(( I did :(( bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur

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                  • B Brian Azzopardi

                    http://forum.deviantart.com/403142[^] What do you think? Personally I think that it will never come to scenario envisioned (too many ifs and buts) but I wouldn't bet against MS not trying. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur

                    [eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]

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                    Shaun Wilde
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                    MS will try and will make a mistake, as usual because it will never be 100%, and someone else will exploit the system to cause all the .doc (or something like that) documents to be deleted around the world leaving MS with massive lawsuits and the system to be switched off. For MS to implement palladium they would have to approach the development just like NASA and the shuttle (previous article last week) and I cannot imagine MS doing that. It has to be 100% from day one and it never will be, too many egos (politicians and businesses) who will want it yesterday, to satisfy the lobby groups and pacify the hysterical )sometimes fanatical) anti-terrorist/porn/copying electorate. The act of signing every app so it will work (that's how it read - please correct me if I got this issue wrong), sounds to me like that only businesses will be able to create apps that will run on other peoples computers, but I think that will only stifle the very community that put MS where it is now, Us. We have been partly responsible for putting MS in a position of power, how succesful would MS have been without our support, our community efforts etc, if it wasn't for the early support I got from Codeguru and other developer sites with source and apps etc - I don't think I'd be coding MS nowadays, probably UNIX or some other wierd OS in a strange language. And if it becomes possible to developers like oursleves to circumvent Pallidium in order to do our day-to-day jobs then so can anyone else. As much as admire the sentiment of what some of Pallidium stands for I am afraid Pandoras box is open/the horse has bolted/etc etc.

                    Stupidity dies. The end of future offspring. Evolution wins. - A Darwin Awards Haiku

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                      MS will try and will make a mistake, as usual because it will never be 100%, and someone else will exploit the system to cause all the .doc (or something like that) documents to be deleted around the world leaving MS with massive lawsuits and the system to be switched off. For MS to implement palladium they would have to approach the development just like NASA and the shuttle (previous article last week) and I cannot imagine MS doing that. It has to be 100% from day one and it never will be, too many egos (politicians and businesses) who will want it yesterday, to satisfy the lobby groups and pacify the hysterical )sometimes fanatical) anti-terrorist/porn/copying electorate. The act of signing every app so it will work (that's how it read - please correct me if I got this issue wrong), sounds to me like that only businesses will be able to create apps that will run on other peoples computers, but I think that will only stifle the very community that put MS where it is now, Us. We have been partly responsible for putting MS in a position of power, how succesful would MS have been without our support, our community efforts etc, if it wasn't for the early support I got from Codeguru and other developer sites with source and apps etc - I don't think I'd be coding MS nowadays, probably UNIX or some other wierd OS in a strange language. And if it becomes possible to developers like oursleves to circumvent Pallidium in order to do our day-to-day jobs then so can anyone else. As much as admire the sentiment of what some of Pallidium stands for I am afraid Pandoras box is open/the horse has bolted/etc etc.

                      Stupidity dies. The end of future offspring. Evolution wins. - A Darwin Awards Haiku

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                      CaesarCZ
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                      I'm far of a law-english guru, but here we go: 1) we pushed MS into the position where it is now. But there are certain anti-monopol laws, aren't they? 2) if this happens (the techonology embedded into CPUs), there surely will be someone who pop ups with processors that are not embedded. Maybe comback time for Cyrix or break thru for Transmeta... 3) it would be illegal to disable all the document based only on non-paid fees or something. They may own the rights for the format, but you own the right for the text/audio/video/image inside... or somebody else put it into freeware/public domain and this way they block this. Can you imageine hospitals loosing all their evidence due to their soft developer loosing some licence? 4) would we have to register for testing builds as well? I personally may do about 50-100 builds (actually to see what the program is like... but a new executable is created each time) a day... what then? Calling MS every now and then? Nop I guess 5) As many server systems may run on non x86 platforms like risc, their (MS) way to grab the internet is not so easy. (assuming (clients) won't switch to embedded CPUs... ) okay. we all know microsoft. I just wonder they gave us Wordpad, cause if they didn't, we'd have to buy Word...

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                      • B Brian Azzopardi

                        http://forum.deviantart.com/403142[^] What do you think? Personally I think that it will never come to scenario envisioned (too many ifs and buts) but I wouldn't bet against MS not trying. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur

                        [eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]

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                        Felix Gartsman
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                        It's not MS idea. We had a lecture in university by a top IBM cryptologist. They work on DRM over a decade, and it is real technology and not vapourware. The proposed system is wonderfull for law respecting users, and disaster for all others (I know I ignore many social issues in this sentence). The system is close to uncrackable by software means - no more quick Soft-Ice hacking for a crack or key generator. However, hardware tampering may work in some cases. The problem is that all manufactures must work together, otherwise it cannot be implemented. Since this will never happen (like IBM or Sun will work with MS), you have no immediate reasons to worry.

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                          http://forum.deviantart.com/403142[^] What do you think? Personally I think that it will never come to scenario envisioned (too many ifs and buts) but I wouldn't bet against MS not trying. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur

                          [eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]

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                          Roger Wright
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                          While I doubt that everything the author claims is true, I am certain that even if most of it is, Microsoft will screw it up so badly that it will only be a passing inconvenience. And even if they manage to get it right for once, I can easily envision a new Internet, coexisting with the old, Palladium-protected networks, that will offer much the same content but which will exclude any Palladium PC from access:-) This Signature is Temporarily Out of Order

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                            Brian Azzopardi wrote: What do you think? 50 ad popups is too much :) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com

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                            Brian Delahunty
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                            Tomasz Sowinski wrote: 50 ad popups is too much I agree completely Regards, Brian Dela :-)

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