Where is the site for the REAL pro's ?
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GPL is for LOSERS BSD or public domain for REAL men who believe in open software. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: GPL is for LOSERS right. we know. but sadly, that's the problem with freedom of choice - people might make a choice you don't like. -c
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
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I kind of have the impression that Codeproject (aswell as CodeGuru) and such sites covers only lots of the basic programming stuff, tons of mfc tutorials for dummies, 1001 version to derive your own class from CListCtrl a.s.o, ... but when I'm looking for industrial programming solutions that deal with the real problems of windows programming the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC :(, then it's hard to find some good articles here. I don't say that this site contains low level articles, actually I surf a lot on this site and found already good solutions :rose: that I use in my applications, but it's not enough. Where is the site with the real deal profound articles that dive deep and where pro's share there precious know-how?
If you devise a list of topics you want covered and post it in the Article Suggestions forum, people will write those articles. It's hard to write articles about topics when you don't know they are wanted. Some writers have hesitated to post articles they thought were too advanced and, therefore, of little interest.
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I kind of have the impression that Codeproject (aswell as CodeGuru) and such sites covers only lots of the basic programming stuff, tons of mfc tutorials for dummies, 1001 version to derive your own class from CListCtrl a.s.o, ... but when I'm looking for industrial programming solutions that deal with the real problems of windows programming the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC :(, then it's hard to find some good articles here. I don't say that this site contains low level articles, actually I surf a lot on this site and found already good solutions :rose: that I use in my applications, but it's not enough. Where is the site with the real deal profound articles that dive deep and where pro's share there precious know-how?
What would a "industrial strength" solution be? What are you looking for? Don't expect a free(beer) industrial strength charting control for the windows platform. Anybody doing that would a) be a ingenious moron, and b) effectively kill some jobs. Daniel Schmid wrote: the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC Don't use it, MFC sucks anyway ;) Especially for MFC is quite some good stuff to be found here (ok, CodeJock is gone...) Daniel Schmid wrote: I don't say that this site contains low level articles I would say that ;P but level is subjective, and not even I live up to my own expectations...
One day I might find it quite amusing how touching tongues make life so confusing Anne Clark again [sighist]
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what use is freedom if everybody can make use of it? :cool:
One day I might find it quite amusing how touching tongues make life so confusing Anne Clark again [sighist]
peterchen wrote: what use is freedom if everybody can make use of it? Mr President, is that you? -c
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
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Tim Smith wrote: GPL is for LOSERS right. we know. but sadly, that's the problem with freedom of choice - people might make a choice you don't like. -c
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
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I kind of have the impression that Codeproject (aswell as CodeGuru) and such sites covers only lots of the basic programming stuff, tons of mfc tutorials for dummies, 1001 version to derive your own class from CListCtrl a.s.o, ... but when I'm looking for industrial programming solutions that deal with the real problems of windows programming the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC :(, then it's hard to find some good articles here. I don't say that this site contains low level articles, actually I surf a lot on this site and found already good solutions :rose: that I use in my applications, but it's not enough. Where is the site with the real deal profound articles that dive deep and where pro's share there precious know-how?
Daniel Schmid wrote: when I'm looking for industrial programming solutions that deal with the real problems of windows programming, then it's hard to find some Such solutions are valuable and often redeemed by hard work. Be thankfull for every one You get for free ;). Pavel Sonork 100.15206
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I kind of have the impression that Codeproject (aswell as CodeGuru) and such sites covers only lots of the basic programming stuff, tons of mfc tutorials for dummies, 1001 version to derive your own class from CListCtrl a.s.o, ... but when I'm looking for industrial programming solutions that deal with the real problems of windows programming the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC :(, then it's hard to find some good articles here. I don't say that this site contains low level articles, actually I surf a lot on this site and found already good solutions :rose: that I use in my applications, but it's not enough. Where is the site with the real deal profound articles that dive deep and where pro's share there precious know-how?
Daniel Schmid wrote: but when I'm looking for industrial programming solutions that deal with the real problems of windows programming the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC , then it's hard to find some good articles here. Well I think the short answer is that the kind of stuff you are looking for is what most people pay good money for. i.e. Not something you often come across on a free site supported by authors who are not paid a cent. Writing advanced articles takes a lot of initial coding, investigation etc. and most people when they get to that stage want to be compensated for that kind of effort. Either through their own book on MFC for Gurus or by submitting them to paying magazines/journals/sites. However there are some advanced articles here on CP and the advanced knowledge is always available by asking a question in the right forum. Also as others suggest, post a suggestion in the Suggestions forum if there is something you would like to see. Suggest it and they will come! All URLs lead to Code Project! :rolleyes: regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
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I kind of have the impression that Codeproject (aswell as CodeGuru) and such sites covers only lots of the basic programming stuff, tons of mfc tutorials for dummies, 1001 version to derive your own class from CListCtrl a.s.o, ... but when I'm looking for industrial programming solutions that deal with the real problems of windows programming the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC :(, then it's hard to find some good articles here. I don't say that this site contains low level articles, actually I surf a lot on this site and found already good solutions :rose: that I use in my applications, but it's not enough. Where is the site with the real deal profound articles that dive deep and where pro's share there precious know-how?
Advanced articles are not really required. New coders need and benefit from intro and intermediate level articles. And once they go past the intermediate stage they really don't need the articles on advanced stuff. They are good enough to figure out stuff for themselves. Newbie stuff can be and should be spoon-fed as it saves time. But you can't be a guru by reading articles. You have to cut down your own tree, so to speak. Moreover advanced coders get paid for advanced stuff. And if people started posting advanced stuff free, then the coders wouldn't get paid. So that'd be a bad thing for all of us ;-) Get my point? Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Then share some and quit bitching! You know, I really wanted to say that too - sadly I'm too much of a diplomat :-D Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Michael P Butler wrote: You know, I really wanted to say that too - sadly I'm too much of a diplomat That's why we have Jeremy. :-) And where's our damned Outlaw Programmer when he's needed, anyway? Should Jeremy have to do all the heavy lifting here? :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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What would a "industrial strength" solution be? What are you looking for? Don't expect a free(beer) industrial strength charting control for the windows platform. Anybody doing that would a) be a ingenious moron, and b) effectively kill some jobs. Daniel Schmid wrote: the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC Don't use it, MFC sucks anyway ;) Especially for MFC is quite some good stuff to be found here (ok, CodeJock is gone...) Daniel Schmid wrote: I don't say that this site contains low level articles I would say that ;P but level is subjective, and not even I live up to my own expectations...
One day I might find it quite amusing how touching tongues make life so confusing Anne Clark again [sighist]
peterchen wrote: Especially for MFC is quite some good stuff to be found here (ok, CodeJock is gone...) What do you mean by "CodeJock is gone..."? -- Loren Brewer
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Advanced articles are not really required. New coders need and benefit from intro and intermediate level articles. And once they go past the intermediate stage they really don't need the articles on advanced stuff. They are good enough to figure out stuff for themselves. Newbie stuff can be and should be spoon-fed as it saves time. But you can't be a guru by reading articles. You have to cut down your own tree, so to speak. Moreover advanced coders get paid for advanced stuff. And if people started posting advanced stuff free, then the coders wouldn't get paid. So that'd be a bad thing for all of us ;-) Get my point? Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
Nishant S wrote: They are good enough to figure out stuff for themselves was thinking the same thing. Nishant S wrote: And if people started posting advanced stuff free, then the coders wouldn't get paid just curious, can you define "advanced" ? -c
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
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peterchen wrote: what use is freedom if everybody can make use of it? Mr President, is that you? -c
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
hahaha :) i like that. but i think GW would say something more like: "what usages is freedomness if everybodys can use it?" evilpen dot net::msn messenger:negacao@hotmail.com
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hahaha :) i like that. but i think GW would say something more like: "what usages is freedomness if everybodys can use it?" evilpen dot net::msn messenger:negacao@hotmail.com
Kristopher wrote: but i think GW would say something more like: "what usages is freedomness if everybodys can use it?" The final proof then - George Dubya is actually Jar Jar Binks! :D "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Nishant S wrote: They are good enough to figure out stuff for themselves was thinking the same thing. Nishant S wrote: And if people started posting advanced stuff free, then the coders wouldn't get paid just curious, can you define "advanced" ? -c
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
Chris Losinger wrote: just curious, can you define "advanced" ? I used the word "advanced" only because the original poster had used it. I myself would have used the phrase "more complex". By complex I mean complexity in design. Having to do a LOT. That's when things start going wrong. A multi threaded prog with 2 threads - simple, huh? You or I or several others here would do it in 10 mins. Now consider a multi threaded prog with 10 threads each doing different stuff, using different technologies like COM, Winsock, RAS, whatever and syncing data between them etc... that would prolly be complex *compared* to the first mentioned app. Of course when you cut it down to little modules, each of them would qualify as a simple thing really. But put together they make a complex unit I'd say. What makes an OS complex? Or a compiler? Taken as units they are simple and taken as individual instructions, even a newbie understand each line. But put them together and together and together, and as the complexity increases the more confusing and awesome it appears to be. Get me? Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Chris Losinger wrote: just curious, can you define "advanced" ? I used the word "advanced" only because the original poster had used it. I myself would have used the phrase "more complex". By complex I mean complexity in design. Having to do a LOT. That's when things start going wrong. A multi threaded prog with 2 threads - simple, huh? You or I or several others here would do it in 10 mins. Now consider a multi threaded prog with 10 threads each doing different stuff, using different technologies like COM, Winsock, RAS, whatever and syncing data between them etc... that would prolly be complex *compared* to the first mentioned app. Of course when you cut it down to little modules, each of them would qualify as a simple thing really. But put together they make a complex unit I'd say. What makes an OS complex? Or a compiler? Taken as units they are simple and taken as individual instructions, even a newbie understand each line. But put them together and together and together, and as the complexity increases the more confusing and awesome it appears to be. Get me? Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
Nishant S wrote: Get me? gotcha. was wondering where you drew the line. IMO, there are a few articles here that cross the line from merely useful to complex yet useful. -c
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
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peterchen wrote: Especially for MFC is quite some good stuff to be found here (ok, CodeJock is gone...) What do you mean by "CodeJock is gone..."? -- Loren Brewer
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I kind of have the impression that Codeproject (aswell as CodeGuru) and such sites covers only lots of the basic programming stuff, tons of mfc tutorials for dummies, 1001 version to derive your own class from CListCtrl a.s.o, ... but when I'm looking for industrial programming solutions that deal with the real problems of windows programming the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC :(, then it's hard to find some good articles here. I don't say that this site contains low level articles, actually I surf a lot on this site and found already good solutions :rose: that I use in my applications, but it's not enough. Where is the site with the real deal profound articles that dive deep and where pro's share there precious know-how?
There are some interesting articles at http://www.kuro5hin.org/section/tech[^] Wade back through the list of articles. "The C++ Programmer's Bag of Tricks" "Another Argument For Choosing Composition Over Inheritance In Object Oriented Programming" There are lots of interesting articles and white papers around on "serious" stuff. You just need to spend more time looking.;) Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. www.getsoft.com
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I kind of have the impression that Codeproject (aswell as CodeGuru) and such sites covers only lots of the basic programming stuff, tons of mfc tutorials for dummies, 1001 version to derive your own class from CListCtrl a.s.o, ... but when I'm looking for industrial programming solutions that deal with the real problems of windows programming the sometimes heavy workarounds to solve the problems Microsoft didn't in MFC :(, then it's hard to find some good articles here. I don't say that this site contains low level articles, actually I surf a lot on this site and found already good solutions :rose: that I use in my applications, but it's not enough. Where is the site with the real deal profound articles that dive deep and where pro's share there precious know-how?
Plenty of shit I hear :(( 95% of the people loggin on CP don't bother articles. I am part of the remaining 5% who spend time reading an article to follow the construction, and effective demonstration of what is announced in the title. What people want is straight solutions to their very problem, in full context. That's why the message boards is here to stay, and people like Nieztsche:cool:, Sowinski:cool:, Watson:cool:, Dunn:cool:, Losinger:cool:, ... are making it !! Never forget that the search engine sucks. Search "SaveAs" for instance, you would expect you get a result for custom SaveAs dialog and stuff like that. Well instead you get 100 random articles. Quite honestly, I don't get it. I can't see how on earch CP people managed to have the worst search eng on earth (or at least equally competes with MSDN search :((:((:(().
And I swallow a small raisin.