Change

Stan Shannon

Bassam Saoud wrote:

Just wondering, If Cpians believe that change is comming to the US

The only agent of change we have had in a long time was from George W. Bush. Obama is not an agent of change, he is simply a socialist. There is nothing different or unique about anything he has proposed or suggested that you could not find in dozens of failed states around the world.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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The whole deal just makes me want to quote Christian Bale.

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Bassam Saoud

I understand your point of view but the world is very inter connected. You have american workers working in Foriegn countries that may be affected by such a change of policy. The answer in my humble opinion is to monitor the policy instead of shutting down the borders.

BoneSoft

I wish that people weren't so interested in oppressing, or failing that, killing other people. And I wish governments didn't feel a need to subvert and squable with other governments. Why national leaders can't just sit down and talk like adults is beyond me. But when confronted with that reality, you can fight back or lay down and die. But then aggressors usually see self defense aimed at them as aggression and round and round we go. I think it will change just enough so that they can say they changed without really making any meaningful difference. But then, I could be wrong, Obama inexplicably seems to still be under the illusion that he can be friends with Ahmadenajad. Which he can of course, if he nukes Israel (even if it wiped Palistine off the map as well). And nothing this goofy bastard could do would surprise me at this point. I'd personally like to see us stand firm on stamping out any little pockets of militant terrorists we can find, but I'd also like to see us be as responsible and cooperative as possible with all nations. I don't want to be hated by the rest of the world, or all the lefties in this country. But I'd rather be hated than dead or forced into oppression. I honestly wish good fortune and happy long lives on everybody on the planet, I just wish they all felt the same way, and plenty of people obviously don't.

Bassam Saoud wrote:

Lots of politicians in my country are changing teams if you know what I mean

Not completely sure I do. Could you explain?

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Bassam Saoud

BoneSoft wrote:

I think it will change just enough so that they can say they changed without really making any meaningful difference. But then, I could be wrong, Obama inexplicably seems to still be under the illusion that he can be friends with Ahmadenajad. Which he can of course, if he nukes Israel (even if it wiped Palistine off the map as well). And nothing this goofy bastard could do would surprise me at this point.

Ahmadenajad is just a pupet. He have no power in Iran. His government is not a threat. The real threat comes from Iranian supreme spiritual leader and his armed forces. They basically contol Iran. One of their military arms in lebanon is Hizbollah and my friend they are very dangerous group.

BoneSoft wrote:

Bassam Saoud wrote: Lots of politicians in my country are changing teams if you know what I mean Not completely sure I do. Could you explain?

Well the 14th march coolition, which have led to the withdraw of the Syrians from lebanon are in opposition to Hizbollah calling them to give up their arms. And this have caused a lot of tention in the country since 2005. Lots of good people have been assasinated. Today some of that coolition are changing their tune, kissing up or atleast they are silent awaitng how things will change with a new US president. G.W. have held a tough line with Syria and iran something the majority is very thankfull for and are hoping Obama doesnt sell Lebanon off (something common in Middle easten policy.) George Mitchell has been appointed by Mr. Obama as middle eastern convoy something Lebanon read as a psoitive sign as George is of lebanese decendency...

Mike Gaskey

Bassam Saoud wrote:

Why do you say that?

because .... instead of boostrapping, we now simply whine.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Bassam Saoud

Rob Graham wrote:

If you mean switch sides in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, I seriously doubt it.

There is no side to switch to. If not of the geographical seperation of West Bank and Gaza, Hamas and Fatah would fight to the last breath.

Bassam Saoud

Stan Shannon wrote:

The only agent of change we have had in a long time was from George W. Bush

I agree with you in the sense of foriegn policy in the middleeaset.

Stan Shannon wrote:

Obama is not an agent of change, he is simply a socialist. There is nothing different or unique about anything he has proposed or suggested that you could not find in dozens of failed states around the world.

Youre statement is a bit extreme. Universal healthcare as an example is good change. France for one applies it and I would say that the french are doing ok.

Christian Graus

Stan Shannon wrote:

The only agent of change we have had in a long time was from George W. Bush

You really think so ?

Stan Shannon wrote:

Obama is not an agent of change, he is simply a socialist

You're saying that's not a change from Bush ? I mean, change, in this case, means a change from how things ran under Bush, right ?

Stan Shannon wrote:

There is nothing different or unique about anything he has proposed or suggested that you could not find in dozens of failed states around the world.

Define 'failed' ?

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

Mike Gaskey

Bassam Saoud wrote:

If not of the geographical seperation of West Bank and Gaza, Hamas and Fatah would fight to the last breath.

I suggest we build a bridge.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Christian Graus

Bassam Saoud wrote:

Universal healthcare as an example is good change

Stan doesn't think so. Stand by for ridiculous theories about how universal healthcare means the government not letting you see a doctor when you need one, or choose your own doctor.

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Bassam Saoud

Christian Graus wrote:

choose your own doctor.

I believe that's how it works in UK. Basially each person is appointed a doctor which you see first and based on your case will be redirected to specialist. This is info I got from a friend in UK so not sure how acurate the info is. But in France and Germany it works different.

Bassam Saoud

Mike Gaskey wrote:

Bassam Saoud wrote: If not of the geographical seperation of West Bank and Gaza, Hamas and Fatah would fight to the last breath. I suggest we build a bridge.

What a terrible thing to say. I have seen a reportage about the last war. What a mess. Not sure how Israel or hamas can justify what they did. If any good thing came up out of that war is the stance the arab leauge took espicially Egypt.

Bassam Saoud

If I may answer one of your question:

Christian Graus wrote:

Stan Shannon wrote: The only agent of change we have had in a long time was from George W. Bush You really think so ?

I can testify to this in Foriegn policy. Iran/Syria - Relief to Africa. Kosovo/Albania/ Russia. Anti terror poilicies - Homeland security and intellegence corporation between different countries.

Stan Shannon

Bassam Saoud wrote:

Universal healthcare as an example is good change.

Universal health care will be the death of America. Healthcare should be an exchange between two free people - the patient and the doctor unencumbered by any sort of government intervention at all. Being an American is not about being taken care of, it is about being able to take care of yourself. That is what defines us and makes us distinct from other cultures. Anyone who doesn't like that should go somewhere else.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Bassam Saoud

What if you dont have money? Why do you pay taxes for?

Stan Shannon

Christian Graus wrote:

You really think so ?

Absolutely.

Christian Graus wrote:

You're saying that's not a change from Bush ? I mean, change, in this case, means a change from how things ran under Bush, right ?

And apparently back to the way they were ran under Clinton (best case) and FDR (worst case).

Christian Graus wrote:

Define 'failed' ?

Cuba, the USSR, Europe, Canada, Communist China, etc, etc, etc,

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Bassam Saoud wrote:

What if you dont have money?

Thats what christian charity is for.

Bassam Saoud wrote:

Why do you pay taxes for?

The general welfare.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.