Private Enterprise and Correctional Facilities
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Ka?l wrote:
Nice slogan. You repeat it to yourself every night before going to sleep to be sure to believe it?
No need to. Self-evident truths need no reinforcement.
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Yeah, a belief does not need a justification.
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread Fold with us! ¤ flickr
KaЯl wrote:
Yeah, a belief does not need a justification.
Neither does a fact. :)
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KaЯl wrote:
Yeah, a belief does not need a justification.
Neither does a fact. :)
73Zeppelin wrote:
Neither does a fact.
You don't understand. If Karl believes it, it's a fact. If Karl doesn't want to believe it, it is right-wing propaganda.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Neither does a fact.
You don't understand. If Karl believes it, it's a fact. If Karl doesn't want to believe it, it is right-wing propaganda.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
As a general rule of thumb, since living here I have noticed that the French seem to favour government involvement. This is a paradox, however, as they are constantly protesting and going on strike against government. Very much a love/hate relationship.
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fat_boy wrote:
Not so. Whether it lives up to its goals in a seperate issue, but at root, the goal of a government (and I dont mean partisan government, but the permenant government, in the UK its called Whitehall) is to serve the populace, and hence the country. (At least for a democratic country. For non democratic countries there is little point discussing this since the goal will always be to serve the rulling classes, however, as hostory shows, even in those countries the populace will eventually get fed up if they are not served to some degree).
I think you are being too idealist.
I sent the Google search app I hacked together to your .fr address. You may want to watch your spam folder.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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KaЯl wrote:
Yeah, a belief does not need a justification.
Neither does a fact. :)
Now that the managment of public waters in the city of Grenoble was withdrawn from a private company to be now managed by a public service, the bills are down . It's a fact: In Grenoble, le public moins cher que le privé, pour un service de meilleure qualité[^]
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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I sent the Google search app I hacked together to your .fr address. You may want to watch your spam folder.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
Thanks, Vikram!
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Now that the managment of public waters in the city of Grenoble was withdrawn from a private company to be now managed by a public service, the bills are down . It's a fact: In Grenoble, le public moins cher que le privé, pour un service de meilleure qualité[^]
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Ka?l wrote:
Now that the managment of public waters in the city of Grenoble was withdrawn from a private company to be now managed by a public service, the bills are down . It's a fact: In Grenoble, le public moins cher que le privé, pour un service de meilleure qualité[^]
Does the government subsidize a portion of the cost?
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As a general rule of thumb, since living here I have noticed that the French seem to favour government involvement. This is a paradox, however, as they are constantly protesting and going on strike against government. Very much a love/hate relationship.
73Zeppelin wrote:
This is a paradox, however, as they are constantly protesting and going on strike against government.
But aren't they protesting that the government doesn't take care of them well enough?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Ka?l wrote:
Now that the managment of public waters in the city of Grenoble was withdrawn from a private company to be now managed by a public service, the bills are down . It's a fact: In Grenoble, le public moins cher que le privé, pour un service de meilleure qualité[^]
Does the government subsidize a portion of the cost?
No. It's a 'town service' (service municipal). The same story occurred in the city of Castres[^] . Now that water managment is public, water is less expensive. A private company has to make profits, has to reward shareholders. A public company hasn't the same obligations.
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Since private industry can always do it cheaper and more efficiently than government, I think the banks should remain privatised.
Perhaps in relation to banking, but when the supply of water in the UK was privatised it was a disaster. Prices went up and the quality went down.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
non partisan government
oxymoron
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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fat_boy wrote:
So, in your opinion, what are the actual goals of, say, a nationallised electricity company? (ie non comercial and no shareholders)
It depends on how it is set up, which varies from country to country (and possibly region to region, where there is autonomy). Some such companies are given profit goals to meet, others are given cost benchmarks, reliability benchmarks... Some operate with a high level of autonomy from government ministers, others are subject to signficant ministerial control (and the legislation governing ministerial action can vary in terms of things like reporting requirements and the possibility of review by the courts or other agencies). Sometimes nationalised firms may operate in competition with private firms, sometimes they are monopolies. All these details affect incentives. Employees in these government organisations (up to and including management) are to a substantial degree motivated by the same sorts of considerations as employees elsewhere: a concern for their rates of pay, promotion prospects, job security, working conditions, level of autonomy and accountability...and the pursuit of their objectives in these respects is not synonymous with pursuing the public interest. If they can get paid a lot of money for doing very little, they may well be happy to do that. In general, I have a higher opinion than most people do of the efficiency and social beneficence of government organisations. However, I don't just assume that they automatically work for the social good. It depends on their political masters and on the incentive structures within which they operate.
John Carson