Father at 13
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Steve Echols wrote:
How could this be the parent's fault, other than having the "father" in the first place?
1 - they were allowed to sleep together 2 - when you have a 12 yo son, you should know where he is, if my 12 yo son ( he is obsessed with blondes at 8, so I am not saying the interest or desire is unusual or wrong ), wanted to sleep over with a 15 yo girl, I'd be asking some serious questions 3 - you only have to read the comments of the parents to get an insight into their manner of parenting and their ability to grasp the situation.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
My brain skipped right over the "allowed to sleep together" part. But still, I don't think the parent's should be prosecuted. Having to support their son's offspring will be punishment enough. Oh, wait, he's unemployed.... nail the mofos! :)
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How is it the parents fault ? OK, I've read some more. The parents are retards. This is why in poor areas, we need to slip the pill into the milk they make the kids drink at school.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
milk they make the kids drink at school
They still give milk to kids in school in Aus? That's not been done in UK since Maggie Thatcher was Education Secretary in the Ted Heath Government of the 1970's.
Christian Graus wrote:
parents fault ?
I understand Dalek Dave's comment. The parents of both families should be knowledgeable of what their kids are getting up to and take responsibility for ensuring correct behaviour of their offspring.
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"I didn't think about how we would afford it. I don't really get pocket money. My dad sometimes gives me £10" I have 2 boys, 6 1/2 and 5 and believe me, to give them the very best in life cost a lot of money. The parents should be prosecuted, and the girl should of had the pregnacy terminated, this is a joke to society.
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Norm .net wrote:
and the girl should of had the pregnacy terminated, this is a joke to society.
No, she should have been on the pill. Or, if society wasn't standing by to pay for it, I bet that would have made the parents care a bit more about what was going on
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Norm .net wrote:
and the girl should of had the pregnacy terminated, this is a joke to society.
No, she should have been on the pill. Or, if society wasn't standing by to pay for it, I bet that would have made the parents care a bit more about what was going on
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Christian Graus wrote:
No, she should have been on the pill.
Agreed.
Christian Graus wrote:
Or, if society wasn't standing by to pay for it
Is free in the UK. Plus you can get the 'next day pill' if have unprotected sex the night before.
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Christian Graus wrote:
milk they make the kids drink at school
They still give milk to kids in school in Aus? That's not been done in UK since Maggie Thatcher was Education Secretary in the Ted Heath Government of the 1970's.
Christian Graus wrote:
parents fault ?
I understand Dalek Dave's comment. The parents of both families should be knowledgeable of what their kids are getting up to and take responsibility for ensuring correct behaviour of their offspring.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The parents of both families should be knowledgeable of what their kids are getting up to and take responsibility for ensuring correct behaviour of their offspring.
Easier said than done.
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Christian Graus wrote:
milk they make the kids drink at school
They still give milk to kids in school in Aus? That's not been done in UK since Maggie Thatcher was Education Secretary in the Ted Heath Government of the 1970's.
Christian Graus wrote:
parents fault ?
I understand Dalek Dave's comment. The parents of both families should be knowledgeable of what their kids are getting up to and take responsibility for ensuring correct behaviour of their offspring.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
They still give milk to kids in school in Aus?
Not in general, but in the areas I am thinking of the state and the staff between them often provide breakfast and lunch to kids who would otherwise starve.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The parents of both families should be knowledgeable of what their kids are getting up to and take responsibility for ensuring correct behaviour of their offspring.
Easier said than done.
Not at all. If all else fails, make it hurt the parents, financially. If the state is paying for the parents AND the kids, then the state gets a say.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Christian Graus wrote:
No, she should have been on the pill.
Agreed.
Christian Graus wrote:
Or, if society wasn't standing by to pay for it
Is free in the UK. Plus you can get the 'next day pill' if have unprotected sex the night before.
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Norm .net wrote:
Is free in the UK.
What I mean is, if there were real consequences for them to have kids, it would have made them think more about it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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I could start on a soapy rant, but I won't. See Here[^] I will leave all that needs to be said to the last paragraph. Who will pay is all I want to know. And surely the parents should be prosecuted for child abuse.
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"I thought it would be good to have a baby." At 13? WTF? "I didn't think about how we would afford it. I don't really get pocket money. My dad sometimes gives me £10." WTF? "The young couple, who were allowed to share a room" WTF? Share a room? "found out about the baby when she was 12 weeks pregnant." WTF? Took 3 months to work it out? "We didn't think we would need help from our parents." WTF? As both are below the age of consent are they being prosecuted?
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"I thought it would be good to have a baby." At 13? WTF? "I didn't think about how we would afford it. I don't really get pocket money. My dad sometimes gives me £10." WTF? "The young couple, who were allowed to share a room" WTF? Share a room? "found out about the baby when she was 12 weeks pregnant." WTF? Took 3 months to work it out? "We didn't think we would need help from our parents." WTF? As both are below the age of consent are they being prosecuted?
I thought the age of consent was a law that is only broken if ONE of the two is above and one is below.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The parents of both families should be knowledgeable of what their kids are getting up to and take responsibility for ensuring correct behaviour of their offspring.
Easier said than done.
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I could start on a soapy rant, but I won't. See Here[^] I will leave all that needs to be said to the last paragraph. Who will pay is all I want to know. And surely the parents should be prosecuted for child abuse.
------------------------------------ "Your manuscript is both good and original. But the part that is good is not original, and the part that is original is not good." Dr Samuel Johnson
"Father at 13"... how is this different from "mother at 9"? I just can say is no way to hang a guilt on some part. Is the way this age is.
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Christian Graus wrote:
milk they make the kids drink at school
They still give milk to kids in school in Aus? That's not been done in UK since Maggie Thatcher was Education Secretary in the Ted Heath Government of the 1970's.
Christian Graus wrote:
parents fault ?
I understand Dalek Dave's comment. The parents of both families should be knowledgeable of what their kids are getting up to and take responsibility for ensuring correct behaviour of their offspring.
They still do in the UK, although it's only free until your child is 5, which of course means that it's not free for most people.
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Not at all. If all else fails, make it hurt the parents, financially. If the state is paying for the parents AND the kids, then the state gets a say.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
This punishing of parents for the kid's actions has been tried before - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7880936.stm[^]
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You and I are parents. It really isn't that hard, unless the parents in this case have a "don't give a damn" attitude.
I think that is a bit of generalisation: whilst we may believe we exercise a certain amount of control and guidance it is only because the kids are receptive to it and are happy with solid boundaries that it works: not all kids will be like that and it is those that will be the problem regardless of how caring the parents are.
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They still do in the UK, although it's only free until your child is 5, which of course means that it's not free for most people.
According to the Government's TeacherNet [^], [Quote] Schools are not obliged to offer milk to pupils. Where LAs choose to provide milk in the schools in their area, it must be free for pupils whose parents receive: * Income Support (IS) * Income Based Jobseeker's Allowance (IBJSA) * Support under Part VI of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 * Child Tax Credit, provided that they do not receive Working Tax Credit and whose annual income (as assessed by The Inland Revenue) as from April 2006 does not exceed £14,155; * or the Guaranteed Element of State Pension Credit [/quote]
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I think that is a bit of generalisation: whilst we may believe we exercise a certain amount of control and guidance it is only because the kids are receptive to it and are happy with solid boundaries that it works: not all kids will be like that and it is those that will be the problem regardless of how caring the parents are.
While I agree there are exceptions, the way your kid behaves and are receptive to control results from how you raise them when they are very young. (don't have a kid yet, but my brother does and I know that his son would never be allowed or even think about doing something like this) No matter how you look at it most of the behavior off kids is a result off how that kid was raised and its parents believes. (There are exceptions of course)
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While I agree there are exceptions, the way your kid behaves and are receptive to control results from how you raise them when they are very young. (don't have a kid yet, but my brother does and I know that his son would never be allowed or even think about doing something like this) No matter how you look at it most of the behavior off kids is a result off how that kid was raised and its parents believes. (There are exceptions of course)
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
(don't have a kid yet, but my brother does and I know that his son would never be allowed or even think about doing something like this)
If he's pubescent he's thinking about it!
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
(There are exceptions of course)
is the key point: it is far too easy to make sweeping generalisations about these matters when it has not affected you.
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Tom Deketelaere wrote:
(don't have a kid yet, but my brother does and I know that his son would never be allowed or even think about doing something like this)
If he's pubescent he's thinking about it!
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
(There are exceptions of course)
is the key point: it is far too easy to make sweeping generalisations about these matters when it has not affected you.
digital man wrote:
If he's pubescent he's thinking about it!
Not even close to it :) (1 year almost so ...)
digital man wrote:
is the key point: it is far too easy to make sweeping generalisations about these matters when it has not affected you.
True I can't speak from personal experience, but I see far too many young people (age 12-15 and sometimes even younger) going out to bars, drinking alcohol, smoking,... that it can't all be exceptions. I'v even been attacked bye such kids (of course I can't do anything back or I will end up in jail), a friend off mine owns a bar and even he has admitted that things have taken a turn for the worst (in that department) over the last 10 years.
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"Father at 13"... how is this different from "mother at 9"? I just can say is no way to hang a guilt on some part. Is the way this age is.
Don Miguel wrote:
"Father at 13"... how is this different from "mother at 9"?
If you don't know the difference by now...ask for an explanation on the SB.
