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  • R Rob Graham

    Doctor Nick wrote:

    It isn't my right to know the psycho down the street has one?

    No, no more than it's my right to know any private info about you. What good, exactly, would it do for you to know? Would it stop you from treating him in a manner that you likely should not in any case? It's nothing more government intrusion for intrusion's sake, no different than warrant-less wiretapping.

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    Doctor Nick
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    Guess I should have put the joke icon on first like I was meaning to... :) As I said above however I do see the value in mandated safety training. It makes sense to me because more people who have never seen a firearm up close are getting them and end up with dead kids because they don't care for them properly. Just going for the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately they don't realize you can't legislate against stupidity and Darwinism must take over at some point ;P

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    • D Doctor Nick

      I'd be happy if people knew I had one or not. It would make it easier to deter thieves which might be on the rise thanks to unemployment. Oh, wait, we elected them all to office already. Scratch that. :-D I was just playing devil's advocate. I'm kind of with Mike. Keep one handy in case they come for it and make sure they don't repeal the amendment without any conversation and a DAMN good reason (of which I can't think of any at this point). I do however see the use to having courses in gun saftey before purchase. That just makes sense to me. How many kids have blown their head off because they found dads revolver in the closet?

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      BoneSoft
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      Doctor Nick wrote:

      I do however see the use to having courses in gun saftey before purchase.

      Absolutely, nothing wrong with that. As long as the government's envolvement ends at requiring sellers to require a course before sale.

      Doctor Nick wrote:

      How many kids have blown their head off because they found dads revolver in the closet?

      Damn few in the grand scheme of things. Of course one is one too many, but there are myriad more pressing issues dealing with childrens safety these days.


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      • D Doctor Nick

        Hey, it's keeping me employed so far. I'm trying to lobby for C# when everything gets converted. In the meantime I have side projects I consult for in my free time in C#. Now go kick some puppies or something rather than troll here.

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        BoneSoft
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        I was caught in a similar job a while back. Problem was, this massive VB web project didn't want to convert to C#. As far as I know they're still running that VB.Net, framework 1.1 app. :doh:


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          Doctor Nick wrote:

          I do however see the use to having courses in gun saftey before purchase.

          Absolutely, nothing wrong with that. As long as the government's envolvement ends at requiring sellers to require a course before sale.

          Doctor Nick wrote:

          How many kids have blown their head off because they found dads revolver in the closet?

          Damn few in the grand scheme of things. Of course one is one too many, but there are myriad more pressing issues dealing with childrens safety these days.


          Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.

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          led mike
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          BoneSoft wrote:

          but there are myriad more pressing issues dealing with childrens safety these days.

          Indeed! Kidnappers and Molesters for example. We certainly need to put far more effort into dealing with those monsters than we need to put towards gun control.

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          • M Mike Gaskey

            House Bill H.R. 45 1. Require licensing for anybody that owns a gun. 2. Would require photographs and a thumbprint 3. Would require passage of a test that covers: (A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age; (B) the safe handling of firearms; (C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use; (D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and (E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

            Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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            Mike Gaskey wrote:

            the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

            After the last couple of those assholes we had I wouldn't trust one as far as I can spit.

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              BoneSoft wrote:

              but there are myriad more pressing issues dealing with childrens safety these days.

              Indeed! Kidnappers and Molesters for example. We certainly need to put far more effort into dealing with those monsters than we need to put towards gun control.

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              BoneSoft
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              You're making sense, are you being sarcastic perchance?


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                You're making sense, are you being sarcastic perchance?


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                led mike
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                BoneSoft wrote:

                are you being sarcastic perchance?

                Nope.

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                  BoneSoft wrote:

                  are you being sarcastic perchance?

                  Nope.

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                  BoneSoft
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                  Then my apologies. I didn't want to say anything if you weren't, but it's near impossible to tell sometimes.


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                  • M Mike Gaskey

                    House Bill H.R. 45 1. Require licensing for anybody that owns a gun. 2. Would require photographs and a thumbprint 3. Would require passage of a test that covers: (A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age; (B) the safe handling of firearms; (C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use; (D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and (E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

                    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                    BoneSoft
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                    How about this[^]? Looks like it's already possibly under attack in the Porkulus bill.


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                    • D Doctor Nick

                      At what point do any of these things keep you from actually owning a firearm? It isn't my right to know the psycho down the street has one? That's all these measures would do. Worried the men in black suits will come and take them from you?

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                      Dan Neely
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                      It's simple you implement it the way the Peoples Republic of Tassachusetts has. Have a very small number of seats in the required class and arrange that they're all filled by politically connected/anti-gun people; before announcing the date/times to the general public.

                      Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                      • B BoneSoft

                        Then my apologies. I didn't want to say anything if you weren't, but it's near impossible to tell sometimes.


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                        led mike
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                        BoneSoft wrote:

                        but it's near impossible to tell sometimes.

                        Yeah, I know, that's on me. I try to keep that in mind when reading replies. I love to see the humor in things whenever possible. These days it seems there is a lot of material around. While I might joke about what I would like to do to perpetrators I don't believe I would joke about the victims. Child Molesters (anyone that preys on children), Rapists or any violence against women, Terrorists are all the scum of the earth for me. Sure there are others but those just cause my blood to boil.

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                        • B BoneSoft

                          I was caught in a similar job a while back. Problem was, this massive VB web project didn't want to convert to C#. As far as I know they're still running that VB.Net, framework 1.1 app. :doh:


                          Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.

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                          Oakman
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                          BoneSoft wrote:

                          this massive VB web project didn't want to convert to C#.

                          Why in God's name, would they? :confused: Anybody who calls himherself a .NET programmer and can't work in both languages is kidding himself. I note that on your website, you don't say that you won't sell your work to people using VB. . . Presumably that's because it doesn't make any difference which language they are using - any difference at all.

                          Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                          • D Dan Neely

                            It's simple you implement it the way the Peoples Republic of Tassachusetts has. Have a very small number of seats in the required class and arrange that they're all filled by politically connected/anti-gun people; before announcing the date/times to the general public.

                            Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                            Doctor Nick
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                            Ooooo that's good. Man, I'm going to start trying to make a living of figure out loopholes to screw people out of their rights. It might even land me in government someday :laugh: Seriously that's messed up. Surprised nobody has brought this up and held their reps accountable to change the law.

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                              House Bill H.R. 45 1. Require licensing for anybody that owns a gun. 2. Would require photographs and a thumbprint 3. Would require passage of a test that covers: (A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age; (B) the safe handling of firearms; (C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use; (D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and (E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

                              Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                              Oakman
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                              "Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." ~ U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein; Associated Press, November 18, 1993 "And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me." ~ U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein; C-Span April 27, 1995

                              Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                                Ooooo that's good. Man, I'm going to start trying to make a living of figure out loopholes to screw people out of their rights. It might even land me in government someday :laugh: Seriously that's messed up. Surprised nobody has brought this up and held their reps accountable to change the law.

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                                Dan Neely
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                                your average masshole is quite happy with having bureaucratically disarmed his neighbors and would soil his lace panties if handed a gun so it doesn't bother him personally. X|

                                Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                                • D Dan Neely

                                  your average masshole is quite happy with having bureaucratically disarmed his neighbors and would soil his lace panties if handed a gun so it doesn't bother him personally. X|

                                  Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                                  Doctor Nick
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                                  I visit the peoples republic once in awhile. My aunt lives out there so I'm aware. It's quite interesting talking with her about politics and such because coming from Iowa she grew up more or less conservative and to live in the midst of so many liberals but still keep her views is interesting. Much like me she's more moderate and flexible but it's still interesting to watch what goes on out there. Pure entertainment if you don't live there :laugh:

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                                  • M Mike Gaskey

                                    House Bill H.R. 45 1. Require licensing for anybody that owns a gun. 2. Would require photographs and a thumbprint 3. Would require passage of a test that covers: (A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age; (B) the safe handling of firearms; (C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use; (D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and (E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

                                    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                                    Christian Graus
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                                    Wow - this is just insane. They are attacking your right to kill stuff, just to make sure kids can't get at guns ? Those BASTARDS !!!!

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

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                                      "Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." ~ U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein; Associated Press, November 18, 1993 "And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me." ~ U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein; C-Span April 27, 1995

                                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                                      Doctor Nick
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                                      Wow, Feinstein the cold blooded killer. Who would have thought? :laugh:

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                                        Wow - this is just insane. They are attacking your right to kill stuff, just to make sure kids can't get at guns ? Those BASTARDS !!!!

                                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

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                                        Doctor Nick
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                                        I think his issue is with the last point.

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                                        • C Christian Graus

                                          Wow - this is just insane. They are attacking your right to kill stuff, just to make sure kids can't get at guns ? Those BASTARDS !!!!

                                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

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                                          Oakman
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                                          Christian Graus wrote:

                                          They are attacking your right to kill stuff, just to make sure kids can't get at guns ? Those BASTARDS !!!!

                                          A friend of mine -- an avowed socialist and Castro sympathiser, for whatever that might be worth once pointed out that whatever the government wants to control, it claims it is doing it to protect the children. One of the most respected liberal Supreme Court judges we have ever had said, "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding" And for the record, I've never killed anybody the government didn't ask me to. I have a weapon to make sure that it's difficult for any member of MS13 to kill me.

                                          Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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