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Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

Stan has admitted in this forum that he joined the Naval guard during the Vietnam war in a vain attempt to avoid active duty. Unfortunately for him his outfit was mobilized. Fortunately for him he never came closer to combat than watching helicopters take off. (It was equally fortunate for anyone whose life might have depended on his combat skills.) Later he joined the Army national guard to pick up some extra bucks, but as soon as it looked like we might go to war in the middle east he moved to a spot in Utah that allowed him to claim he was too far away from any unit to travel to the meetings. (Again, Stan has admitted this here in this forum.) So they dumped him as a bad investment.

Jon, please that is just dishonest. I have been entirely honest about my military experiences. I joined the active duty navy in January 1972 for a four year enlistment three months after turning 18 (I had enlisted the summer before, but January was the earliest slot they had following my 18th birthday). I did so largly for two reasons, my father was concerned about my low draft number and didn't want me to be drafted. He had served in the Navy in WWII and saw it as a perfectly honorable alternative to the draft. And, because I wanted to learn electronics and the Navy had the best electronics schools. By Novemeber of 1972 all US ground forces had been pulled out of Vietname but Naval operations continued until 1975 (76?). So regardless of my motives, I saw more of Vietnam by joining the Navy than I would have by being drafted. In fact, my ship was the flag ship of the task force that demined haiphong harbor. I served as part of a rescue team that would have gone after any pilots that went down (never needed). I did my fucking duty. So fuck you. I joined the guard after being in ROTC and served as a field artillary officer in the Oklahoma national guard (171FA, 45th "Thunderbird" ID) for about four years, got out for a while, served in the Army Reserves for a while, than went back into the Guard. MOved to Utah in the early '90s and with the draw down in military at that time had trouble finding a slot close to my home which is a common problem with Guard service for officers. I could have continued my service on an inactive. unassigned, status, but simply did not want to. I probably would not have stayed in even if I had never left Oklahoma.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us

Stan Shannon

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

Ever considered that Obama's early life was so boring that it was uneventful and thus uninteresting? .

I'm actually pretty sure that if Obama's grandad had set him up with a neo-Nazi mentor rather than a member of the American communist party (fact) it would not be considered 'boring' by anyone.

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

If his association with ACORN is contrary to, or incompatible with, the good due to the public office he holds, then you must do that which your Constitution allows in order for that to stop now and for the future.

I intend to, but, again, if this had been a christian community organization that Palin had belonged to, it would have been a lead story every single day of the campaign. ACORN is nothing more than a front for various socialist organizations.

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

He may be left of centre in terms of his politics, but his policies over the next few years are what you should judge him by. He may turn out to be the saviour of the United States. But then again, he might not be. Time will tell.

He will implement his policies through the courts not through legislation - fortunantly for him, he has an equally leftist congress to see to that side of things.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

back in the sixties and seventies, guys in the real armed forces used to call the guard, draft-dodgers

So were the Navy, the Air Force, the Coast Guard, and any number of non-combat arms units in the US Army and US Marine corp. You didn't have to join the Guard to "dodge" the draft. But it was all perfectly honorable military service.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

Jon, please that is just dishonest.

Nope. But I will admit that I was mistaken about your service in the Navy. It wasn't NG it was active duty. I misread the import of your original claim to have served ten years in the NG. Still and all, you enlisted in an attempt to get out of combat. And you never saw any combat of any kind. Nonetheless, I owe you an apology.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

So were the Navy, the Air Force, the Coast Guard, and any number of non-combat arms units in the US Army and US Marine corp.

Sorry, but you have no idea what you were talking about. In addition to the B-52 bombing, the Airforce flew many many ground support missions notably using Puff the Magic Dragon to bring peace to the jungle. They also had some of the bravest and craziest pilots in the world as forward observers. The Navy ran hundreds of river boats up and down the Mekong - some of the most dangerous duty in the war. Just because you were a pansy-assed REMF, doesn't mean that there weren't heroes in the Navy, too. Some 8,000 Coast Guardsmen and 56 different combat vessels were assigned to duty in Vietnam. Nope, truth be told, you really had to work at it to hide behind the lines and cheerlead.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

He will implement his policies through the courts not through legislation

You seem to have gotten that wrong. They're already talking about the mortgage-bailout bill.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

And you never saw any combat of any kind.

Thats not quite true - my ship shot down a mig one day that was approaching our task force. So, technically speaking, I've been in combat. (Although I've wondered since if it were actually a threat or an excuse to test the new rocket launchers). I bravely manned my general quarters station in repair three throughout the entire ordeal. :rolleyes:

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Nope. There were indeed many units that saw combat in all the services. But joining the Air Force or Navy or coast guard was a pretty safe ticket. And even in the Army and Marines, if you joined rather than being drafted there were any number of non-combat arms MOS's you could choose. Getting out of combat duty was not all that difficult. In fact, considering all the available alternatives, letting yourself get drafted was almost a form of volunteering for combat.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

Getting out of combat duty was not all that difficult

But a lot of men still had a pair of balls - in all the services.

Stan Shannon wrote:

In fact, considering all the available alternatives, letting yourself get drafted was almost a form of volunteering for combat.

Twasn't always that easy to tell the difference. When the punk kid on the scooter drove by he was as likely to throw the grenade at a company clerk as at a Green Beanie.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Ed Gadziemski

Oakman wrote:

They're already talking about the mortgage-bailout bill.

And already passed SCHIP and Stimulus and Ledbetter, all without a single court hearing. Rarely has Stan been so wrong so frequently about so many things. He used to be a relatively intelligent bloke before the madness set in. It's a shame to see such mental deterioration in one so young.

Ed Gadziemski

Fuck you asshole.

JimmyRopes

Got your panties in a bunch Ed? :rolleyes:

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Ed Gadziemski

Depends on if you were applying "Sedition, betrayal, treason, and disloyalty come to mind" to me or were merely helping Stan learn a few new synonyms.

JimmyRopes

Ed Gadziemski wrote:

Depends on if you were applying "Sedition, betrayal, treason, and disloyalty come to mind" to me or were merely helping Stan learn a few new synonyms.

Depends on if what Stan said about you, "So,basically, you're saying that it is entirely appropriate that the freedom loving people of Iraq should be killing the evil American troops, and that you are taking their side against your own country.", is how you feel.

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Ed Gadziemski

What Stan says is immaterial. Stan is insane. If you have 3rd grade or above reading comprehension and a basic grasp of logic and bothered to read the thread, you know how I feel. If not, then welcome to Stan World.

JimmyRopes

This thread is too boring to read further than what I have already read. Why don't you tell me how you feel? Are you in favor of Iraqis fragging US troops?

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Ed Gadziemski

Kiss off punk. Nice to know ya.

JimmyRopes

You call me a punk but have you ever fought in a war? I have and don't like people like you mouthing off when you have no idea what it is like to be on the firing line. It doesn’t matter what you think about the war. To wish the troops harm is sedition.

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RichardM1

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

I don't know what the intent of purposely lying to the American public and the world at large by stating that they had incontrovertible evidence that he had WMDs and was planning on using them to harm the US.

You need to admit the difference between lying and only believing what you want. If you do not/are not willing to admit it, than you are lying every bit as much as you believe Bush was.

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RichardM1

Obama is a siting president engaged in a legal war. You are doing the same type of vilification of Obama as others did to Bush.

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