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The umpteenth rant against article's univoters

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  • CPalliniC CPallini

    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    Maybe they didn't see the "Beginner" tag.

    Quite careless people... :rolleyes: (people shouldn't be careless when voting, I think).

    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    IMHO, the technique described in the article - while admittedly being another way to do it - is a poor one because data in a given dialog should be private to that dialog, and should be *retrieved* by the parent, versus being set by the child.

    I don't get you here, I see the parent dialog actually retrieving data from the child one (in any case, INHO, the article is far better than many others having the same, or better, score). :)

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    modified on Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:20 AM

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    Nish Nishant
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    CPallini wrote:

    I don't get you here, I see the parent dialog actually retrieving data from the child one

    Yeah, John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained. While that doesn't justify the several dozen 1 votes it got, it is possibly one reason for the overall low rating.

    Regards, Nish

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    My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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      CPallini wrote:

      I don't get you here, I see the parent dialog actually retrieving data from the child one

      Yeah, John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained. While that doesn't justify the several dozen 1 votes it got, it is possibly one reason for the overall low rating.

      Regards, Nish

      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
      My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

      John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained.

      False, since John is not part of the article's intended audience :-D.

      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
      [My articles]

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      • CPalliniC CPallini

        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

        John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained.

        False, since John is not part of the article's intended audience :-D.

        If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
        This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
        [My articles]

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        Nish Nishant
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        CPallini wrote:

        False, since John is not part of the article's intended audience

        Yeah but John doesn't know that.

        Regards, Nish

        Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
        My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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        • G Gary Kirkham

          MrPlankton wrote:

          Does that affect which movie you select to watch?

          In some cases, yes.

          MrPlankton wrote:

          How many here use their real names when spouting off in the soapbox

          I do. I think that if you have something to say, then you should have the courage to put your name to it. If a person doesn't feel comfortable doing that, then he should keep silent.

          Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

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          Gary Kirkham wrote:

          courage to put your name to it.

          Then let's not hear the recurrent bitching about 1's in articles. If you tell people about your bowl movements, have jotd in the soap box that have racial characteristics don't be surprised if some take that baggage with them to the article review page.

          MrPlankton
          The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution

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          • N Nish Nishant

            CPallini wrote:

            I don't get you here, I see the parent dialog actually retrieving data from the child one

            Yeah, John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained. While that doesn't justify the several dozen 1 votes it got, it is possibly one reason for the overall low rating.

            Regards, Nish

            Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
            My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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            Oakman
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            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

            John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article

            But he put his name to it, that's all that counts.

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            • CPalliniC CPallini

              I suppose it is the time we've to do something against Mr.Univoter. Good articles are the golden mine of CP and we have to protect them. Last time we discussed this topic, Chris (if I remember well) argued that statistics protects good articles against the univoter plague. Unfortunately it hasn't worked well, at least in this case [^], the article is (IMHO) badly underrated. I know it is a difficult problem to deal with, but CP reputation is at stake (see for instance [^] where the MVP suggests the 2.29 rated article). :)

              If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
              This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
              [My articles]

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              Ed Gadziemski
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              The parent-child article is written in a light tone with a humorous twist. Perhaps some people don't like or understand that technique. Overall, it feels like the article is written by a self-anointed code god talking down to the lowly peasants.

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              • E Ed Gadziemski

                The parent-child article is written in a light tone with a humorous twist. Perhaps some people don't like or understand that technique. Overall, it feels like the article is written by a self-anointed code god talking down to the lowly peasants.

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                CPallini
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                Ed Gadziemski wrote:

                The parent-child article is written in a light tone with a humorous twist. Perhaps some people don't like or understand that technique. Overall, it feels like the article is written by a self-anointed code god talking down to the lowly peasants.

                Does it justify all the ones? :)

                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                [My articles]

                In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                • CPalliniC CPallini

                  Ed Gadziemski wrote:

                  The parent-child article is written in a light tone with a humorous twist. Perhaps some people don't like or understand that technique. Overall, it feels like the article is written by a self-anointed code god talking down to the lowly peasants.

                  Does it justify all the ones? :)

                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                  [My articles]

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                  Ed Gadziemski
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                  CPallini wrote:

                  Does it justify all the ones?

                  Not for me, I would probably give the article a 2 or 3, but I can understand how some people might be offended.

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                  • E Ed Gadziemski

                    CPallini wrote:

                    Does it justify all the ones?

                    Not for me, I would probably give the article a 2 or 3, but I can understand how some people might be offended.

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                    Ed Gadziemski wrote:

                    Not for me, I would probably give the article a 2 or 3

                    You're too generous, man... :rolleyes: Well, while I find myself toxcct having a self-confidence that might be seen as arrogance, this feeling doesn't prevent me from appreciating his technical contributions, and I keep believing the article is good for the intended audience.

                    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                    [My articles]

                    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                    • N Nish Nishant

                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                      IMHO, the technique described in the article - while admittedly being another way to do it - is a poor one because data in a given dialog should be private to that dialog, and should be *retrieved* by the parent, versus being set by the child.

                      John, that's how the article does it. The parent pops up the child, retrieves some data via Get-calls, and then sets its own data. The child has no access to the parent's data at all.

                      Regards, Nish

                      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                      My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                      realJSOP
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                      I coulda sworn he was instantiating the child with references in the constructor. I'm not interested enough to go back and look again, so I'll take your word for it.

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                      • M MrPlankton

                        Gary Kirkham wrote:

                        courage to put your name to it.

                        Then let's not hear the recurrent bitching about 1's in articles. If you tell people about your bowl movements, have jotd in the soap box that have racial characteristics don't be surprised if some take that baggage with them to the article review page.

                        MrPlankton
                        The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution

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                        Exactly what has that got to do with using your real name as a user ID? If you use "ImStupid" as your user ID, then all of your articles will be listed under "ImStupid". When people vote articles based on hurt feelings obtained in the forums, they're just cheating everyone else on the site. Example - Ilion posted an article that helped me with a problem, so I voted a 5 on it. He continues to be a dick here in the soapbox, but that has nothing to do with coding.

                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                        • CPalliniC CPallini

                          I suppose it is the time we've to do something against Mr.Univoter. Good articles are the golden mine of CP and we have to protect them. Last time we discussed this topic, Chris (if I remember well) argued that statistics protects good articles against the univoter plague. Unfortunately it hasn't worked well, at least in this case [^], the article is (IMHO) badly underrated. I know it is a difficult problem to deal with, but CP reputation is at stake (see for instance [^] where the MVP suggests the 2.29 rated article). :)

                          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                          This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                          [My articles]

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                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                          It's not that big of a surprise. Toxcct has the bad habit of insulting people every now and then. It's possible that their article judgement is biased by their dislike for him.

                          -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                          • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                            It's not that big of a surprise. Toxcct has the bad habit of insulting people every now and then. It's possible that their article judgement is biased by their dislike for him.

                            -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                            Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                            It's possible that their article judgement is biased by their dislike for him.

                            The above should be avoided, if possible. Otherwise article ratings would be just indicators of the author popolarity among CP community. I believe that article rating should only be related to the article quality. :)

                            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                            [My articles]

                            In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                            • CPalliniC CPallini

                              Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                              It's possible that their article judgement is biased by their dislike for him.

                              The above should be avoided, if possible. Otherwise article ratings would be just indicators of the author popolarity among CP community. I believe that article rating should only be related to the article quality. :)

                              If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                              This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                              [My articles]

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                              Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                              I agree. I just wanted to offer a possible explanation. Toxcct can be very rude sometimes, borderline crazy if you ask me, and that will upset some people. Humans, as you know, are not always cool headed.

                              -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                              • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                                I agree. I just wanted to offer a possible explanation. Toxcct can be very rude sometimes, borderline crazy if you ask me, and that will upset some people. Humans, as you know, are not always cool headed.

                                -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                I just wanted to offer a possible explanation.

                                I was aware about (I know him... :rolleyes:). Here's another victim of 'not cool headed humans' [^], see the last part of the biography (however, I suppose you already know about). :)

                                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                                [My articles]

                                In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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