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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal
But, Monte, what's behind door number three?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal
But, Monte, what's behind door number three?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
But, Monte, what's behind door number three?
Sorry, door number three has been bricked over. That was the point of this entire operation - the elimination of the third choice. Two choices are so much more easily managed - socialism or anarchy. The free market option had to be removed, it was just too popular and gave too many people too many options not controllable by government.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
But, Monte, what's behind door number three?
Sorry, door number three has been bricked over. That was the point of this entire operation - the elimination of the third choice. Two choices are so much more easily managed - socialism or anarchy. The free market option had to be removed, it was just too popular and gave too many people too many options not controllable by government.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The free market option had to be removed
That hasn't been a option in a long time, if it ever was. You're sitting shiva, for a long dead corpse.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Oakman wrote:
But, Monte, what's behind door number three?
Sorry, door number three has been bricked over. That was the point of this entire operation - the elimination of the third choice. Two choices are so much more easily managed - socialism or anarchy. The free market option had to be removed, it was just too popular and gave too many people too many options not controllable by government.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Actually, it is good news. Soros has been predicting the collapse of capitalism since 1987. This is the third book he has written predicting imminent doom. Given his track record, I suspect this is "strike three" for him. Now I actually have some confidence that the recovery is not far off.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
I have found if I turn off the radio, don't read the paper, keep the TV off except for netflix movies I have a much pleasanter disposition. On the down side when I go to work (I support a federal agency as a contractor) I hear the feds talk about writing this proposal and that proposal to get a hunk of the Spendulous cash. I almost got in trouble at work for saying they should burn it in a ash canister in the lobby of their the government building to keep things warmer and reduce the carbon footprint... fortunately I only got a wry smile, so I don't think I'm in too much trouble. Damn depressing if you are too wired into this stuff.
MrPlankton
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Actually, it is good news. Soros has been predicting the collapse of capitalism since 1987. This is the third book he has written predicting imminent doom. Given his track record, I suspect this is "strike three" for him. Now I actually have some confidence that the recovery is not far off.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
"there is yet no prospect of a near-term resolution to the crisis." As far as I know no one has actually looked for an actual solution yet. Certainly the UK government only ever talks about protecting/preserving the dead duck economy. Just chuck more money at it and it'll be fine which of course ignores the fact that the economy largely works on made up money and not real you know actual money because there isnt enough of the real stuff to cover what the banks are dealling with even when things are going well. So as far as i am aware no one is convinced that the latest plan to just print more will make much difference. Which basically brings us to the point the the global economy is fundamentally broken and the economists may be able to paper over the cracks for a while maybe even for a good number of years but sooner or later it's gonna break completely and then and only then are people going to start thinking about doing things differently.
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Oakman wrote:
But, Monte, what's behind door number three?
Sorry, door number three has been bricked over. That was the point of this entire operation - the elimination of the third choice. Two choices are so much more easily managed - socialism or anarchy. The free market option had to be removed, it was just too popular and gave too many people too many options not controllable by government.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
anarchy
my personal favorite.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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I have found if I turn off the radio, don't read the paper, keep the TV off except for netflix movies I have a much pleasanter disposition. On the down side when I go to work (I support a federal agency as a contractor) I hear the feds talk about writing this proposal and that proposal to get a hunk of the Spendulous cash. I almost got in trouble at work for saying they should burn it in a ash canister in the lobby of their the government building to keep things warmer and reduce the carbon footprint... fortunately I only got a wry smile, so I don't think I'm in too much trouble. Damn depressing if you are too wired into this stuff.
MrPlankton
The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin FranklinMrPlankton wrote:
Damn depressing if you are too wired into this stuff.
If you haven't seen it, Glenn Beck has a new(ish) show on FoxNews, 5:00 pm EST. Well worth watching if you're interesting in hearing about worse case scenarios.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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With the book sales isn't he supporting captialism? :rolleyes:
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Actually, it's even more sinister (or at least hypocritical) than that: Soros made his fortune of $9B as a speculator, and primarily as a short-seller. He prospers the most in a declining market, so maybe he's just trying to improve his prospects by encouraging the markets to drop.
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I have found if I turn off the radio, don't read the paper, keep the TV off except for netflix movies I have a much pleasanter disposition. On the down side when I go to work (I support a federal agency as a contractor) I hear the feds talk about writing this proposal and that proposal to get a hunk of the Spendulous cash. I almost got in trouble at work for saying they should burn it in a ash canister in the lobby of their the government building to keep things warmer and reduce the carbon footprint... fortunately I only got a wry smile, so I don't think I'm in too much trouble. Damn depressing if you are too wired into this stuff.
MrPlankton
The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin Franklinre: Glenn Beck the show that was most interesting was yesterday. It discusses a worse case scenario, what it might be like in 2014. that aired on Friday and is to be rebroadcast today at 9:00 pm.[^]
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
free market option
So do I take it that you are approving of personal debt but not government debt?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
So do I take it that you are approving of personal debt but not government debt?
What I approve of is maximizing the opportunity for those things that can function outside the direct control of government, democratic or otherwise, to do so.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Actually, it is good news. Soros has been predicting the collapse of capitalism since 1987. This is the third book he has written predicting imminent doom. Given his track record, I suspect this is "strike three" for him. Now I actually have some confidence that the recovery is not far off.
As I suggested above, I think it is entirely possible that this entire crisis has been intentionally over stated for the express purpose of making any recovery at all seem all the more miraculous. If, in a year or so from now, there is a recovery in the international economy with legs, Obama will become much more than than the phenomenon he is now. Considering the amount that Soros has invested in the man, it may turn out to be money very well spent.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I have found if I turn off the radio, don't read the paper, keep the TV off except for netflix movies I have a much pleasanter disposition. On the down side when I go to work (I support a federal agency as a contractor) I hear the feds talk about writing this proposal and that proposal to get a hunk of the Spendulous cash. I almost got in trouble at work for saying they should burn it in a ash canister in the lobby of their the government building to keep things warmer and reduce the carbon footprint... fortunately I only got a wry smile, so I don't think I'm in too much trouble. Damn depressing if you are too wired into this stuff.
MrPlankton
The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin FranklinI worked for the EPA for about four years, so I am all too well aware of the processes involved with each department getting its share of the booty. I was always under pressure to buy completely unnecessary supplies and hire unnecessary people so that an even larger budget could be justified for the next fiscal year. It is fucking insidious how the system works.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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"there is yet no prospect of a near-term resolution to the crisis." As far as I know no one has actually looked for an actual solution yet. Certainly the UK government only ever talks about protecting/preserving the dead duck economy. Just chuck more money at it and it'll be fine which of course ignores the fact that the economy largely works on made up money and not real you know actual money because there isnt enough of the real stuff to cover what the banks are dealling with even when things are going well. So as far as i am aware no one is convinced that the latest plan to just print more will make much difference. Which basically brings us to the point the the global economy is fundamentally broken and the economists may be able to paper over the cracks for a while maybe even for a good number of years but sooner or later it's gonna break completely and then and only then are people going to start thinking about doing things differently.
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pseudonym67 wrote:
then and only then are people going to start thinking about doing things differently.
And what would that be? If things really are as bad as they are made out to be, what was the cause? The only solution I can see would be to simply divide up into separate societies. Let those of us who wish to live in a free market, capitalistic, jeffersonian society do so. And let those who don't go their own way. Let the experiment run its course unrestricted. In my Jeffersonian society, we would simply outlaw socialism of any flavor. Government would only be allowed to provide for the general welfare and nothing else, the courts would have no power beyond interpretation of the actual content of the constitution. In yours you could have governmetn be the center of all economic and social decision making. Let people vote with their feet as to which society they wish to live in. And let the one that survives take all.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The free market option had to be removed
That hasn't been a option in a long time, if it ever was. You're sitting shiva, for a long dead corpse.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
That hasn't been a option in a long time, if it ever was.
It has always been an option. The best option, in fact.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
The end will be near when the credit rating on U.S. government debt is no longer AAA. Until that time, I remain unconcerned.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
click[^] edit (added) I think Rush Limbaugh in above article is trying to tie this to Soroce, very speculative, and somewhat conspiratorial, but an interesting read. It does seem that the Pres. and the congress are talking the economy down. /edit
MrPlankton
The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin Franklinmodified on Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:16 PM