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Billu Barber[^] of later changed to Billu, a movie was released on Feb 13, 2009. Its really frustrating that people of The Salon and Beauty Parlors’ Association in Maharashtra(a state in India) found the word barber derogatory. WTF. I do not understand this. What is derogatory in calling a barber, a barber. If someone calls me a developer it does not makes me happy or sad. I am a developer so he/she called me a developer. Now why the hell should I find it derogatory? It is almost same as black people getting offended on being called as black. I am brown. Call me brown and there is nothing to be sad or happy about it. Black is black, brown is brown and white is white. But the discrimination is wrong. Getting back to the movie. I have seen it. Point out one scene where the term is used to show discrimination and I will step back. Caling barber a barber is offensive....huh....go fuck yourself then. Thanks for reading. I just could not stop myself.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
modified on Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:41 AM
d@nish wrote:
What is derogatory in calling a barber a barber
Exactly. Even the 'Barber of Seville' was a barber :suss:
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Billu Barber[^] of later changed to Billu, a movie was released on Feb 13, 2009. Its really frustrating that people of The Salon and Beauty Parlors’ Association in Maharashtra(a state in India) found the word barber derogatory. WTF. I do not understand this. What is derogatory in calling a barber, a barber. If someone calls me a developer it does not makes me happy or sad. I am a developer so he/she called me a developer. Now why the hell should I find it derogatory? It is almost same as black people getting offended on being called as black. I am brown. Call me brown and there is nothing to be sad or happy about it. Black is black, brown is brown and white is white. But the discrimination is wrong. Getting back to the movie. I have seen it. Point out one scene where the term is used to show discrimination and I will step back. Caling barber a barber is offensive....huh....go fuck yourself then. Thanks for reading. I just could not stop myself.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
modified on Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:41 AM
Your post reminded me of the Dragnet 67[^], where Friday(Jack Webb[^]) and Gannon (Harry Morgan[^]) are questioning a ‘barber’ and the ‘barber’ takes offence at the moniker Gannon used. He says in a somewhat limp wristed fashion to Gannon (who is balding), a barber is one who cuts your hair, then to Friday he says (full head of hair) a hair stylist is one who styles your hair. It was a small scene and I can’t find a link to it, but I do recall it. What’s old is new again. :)
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Billu Barber[^] of later changed to Billu, a movie was released on Feb 13, 2009. Its really frustrating that people of The Salon and Beauty Parlors’ Association in Maharashtra(a state in India) found the word barber derogatory. WTF. I do not understand this. What is derogatory in calling a barber, a barber. If someone calls me a developer it does not makes me happy or sad. I am a developer so he/she called me a developer. Now why the hell should I find it derogatory? It is almost same as black people getting offended on being called as black. I am brown. Call me brown and there is nothing to be sad or happy about it. Black is black, brown is brown and white is white. But the discrimination is wrong. Getting back to the movie. I have seen it. Point out one scene where the term is used to show discrimination and I will step back. Caling barber a barber is offensive....huh....go fuck yourself then. Thanks for reading. I just could not stop myself.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
modified on Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:41 AM
Hair Stylist is considered to be more appropriate word these days. I have ot used the word barber for a long time.
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Billu Barber[^] of later changed to Billu, a movie was released on Feb 13, 2009. Its really frustrating that people of The Salon and Beauty Parlors’ Association in Maharashtra(a state in India) found the word barber derogatory. WTF. I do not understand this. What is derogatory in calling a barber, a barber. If someone calls me a developer it does not makes me happy or sad. I am a developer so he/she called me a developer. Now why the hell should I find it derogatory? It is almost same as black people getting offended on being called as black. I am brown. Call me brown and there is nothing to be sad or happy about it. Black is black, brown is brown and white is white. But the discrimination is wrong. Getting back to the movie. I have seen it. Point out one scene where the term is used to show discrimination and I will step back. Caling barber a barber is offensive....huh....go fuck yourself then. Thanks for reading. I just could not stop myself.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
modified on Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:41 AM
In India it's due to the indirect caste reference. In the old days people from specific lower castes used to be the barbers around the country - the reason being that, cutting or shaving someone else's hair was seen as a low-respect menial task. So maybe hair stylist is a better word to use because of the negative associations the word "barber" has in India.
d@nish wrote:
It is almost same as black people getting offended on being called as black. I am brown. Call me brown and there is nothing to be sad or happy about it. Black is black, brown is brown and white is white. But the discrimination is wrong.
Well you'd get in trouble if you directly referred to a black man as black in many parts in the States (unless you are black yourself). And if you call a brown person brown then you'd be accused of being a racist by everyone (including CNN) :-) The only safe color reference to make is to call white people white - no one seems to be bothered by that. :)
Regards, Nish
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In India it's due to the indirect caste reference. In the old days people from specific lower castes used to be the barbers around the country - the reason being that, cutting or shaving someone else's hair was seen as a low-respect menial task. So maybe hair stylist is a better word to use because of the negative associations the word "barber" has in India.
d@nish wrote:
It is almost same as black people getting offended on being called as black. I am brown. Call me brown and there is nothing to be sad or happy about it. Black is black, brown is brown and white is white. But the discrimination is wrong.
Well you'd get in trouble if you directly referred to a black man as black in many parts in the States (unless you are black yourself). And if you call a brown person brown then you'd be accused of being a racist by everyone (including CNN) :-) The only safe color reference to make is to call white people white - no one seems to be bothered by that. :)
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
The only safe color reference to make is to call white people white - no one seems to be bothered by that.
When I think of white I think of a neighbor girl when I was growing up who was albino. She was a real "white girl".
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Billu Barber[^] of later changed to Billu, a movie was released on Feb 13, 2009. Its really frustrating that people of The Salon and Beauty Parlors’ Association in Maharashtra(a state in India) found the word barber derogatory. WTF. I do not understand this. What is derogatory in calling a barber, a barber. If someone calls me a developer it does not makes me happy or sad. I am a developer so he/she called me a developer. Now why the hell should I find it derogatory? It is almost same as black people getting offended on being called as black. I am brown. Call me brown and there is nothing to be sad or happy about it. Black is black, brown is brown and white is white. But the discrimination is wrong. Getting back to the movie. I have seen it. Point out one scene where the term is used to show discrimination and I will step back. Caling barber a barber is offensive....huh....go fuck yourself then. Thanks for reading. I just could not stop myself.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
modified on Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:41 AM
Unfortunately, there are some people who just want to create trouble for all others. This is all too common and by no way restricted to MH. Do you know the High Court in TN has functioned for all of 9 days this year? The lawyers are up in arms 'for the sake of Sri Lankan Tamils'. Very honourable, I'm sure, but why would anybody in Sri Lanka care if the Madras High Court functions or not?
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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In India it's due to the indirect caste reference. In the old days people from specific lower castes used to be the barbers around the country - the reason being that, cutting or shaving someone else's hair was seen as a low-respect menial task. So maybe hair stylist is a better word to use because of the negative associations the word "barber" has in India.
d@nish wrote:
It is almost same as black people getting offended on being called as black. I am brown. Call me brown and there is nothing to be sad or happy about it. Black is black, brown is brown and white is white. But the discrimination is wrong.
Well you'd get in trouble if you directly referred to a black man as black in many parts in the States (unless you are black yourself). And if you call a brown person brown then you'd be accused of being a racist by everyone (including CNN) :-) The only safe color reference to make is to call white people white - no one seems to be bothered by that. :)
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
So maybe hair stylist is a better word to use because of the negative associations the word "barber" has in India.
'Barber' has no negative associations in Coimbatore or Chennai, and I imagine, in the rest of TN. The word Barber is routinely used, even if the language is Tamil.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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In India it's due to the indirect caste reference. In the old days people from specific lower castes used to be the barbers around the country - the reason being that, cutting or shaving someone else's hair was seen as a low-respect menial task. So maybe hair stylist is a better word to use because of the negative associations the word "barber" has in India.
d@nish wrote:
It is almost same as black people getting offended on being called as black. I am brown. Call me brown and there is nothing to be sad or happy about it. Black is black, brown is brown and white is white. But the discrimination is wrong.
Well you'd get in trouble if you directly referred to a black man as black in many parts in the States (unless you are black yourself). And if you call a brown person brown then you'd be accused of being a racist by everyone (including CNN) :-) The only safe color reference to make is to call white people white - no one seems to be bothered by that. :)
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
In India it's due to the indirect caste reference. In the old days people from specific lower castes used to be the barbers around the country - the reason being that, cutting or shaving someone else's hair was seen as a low-respect menial task.
Caste reference is not bad. Its the consequences one *had* to face were bad. But today? And any job including ours can be of low-respect in some opinions. But one should not forget its an opinion. Did the protestors had a look at the movie? I guess no as the name was changed before release. Billu, lead, is a barber and hence Billu barber. Now WTF is derogatory?
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
ell you'd get in trouble if you directly referred to a black man as black in many parts in the States
Never been to US. Whats the logic behind it? Whats wrong in calling a black/brown person black/brown? Not in a offending way but there are situations where it helps. Like there are 10 persons having just the one brown guy. You have to call the brown one and you say "Hey Mr brown guy.....". Is it offense?
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
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Unfortunately, there are some people who just want to create trouble for all others. This is all too common and by no way restricted to MH. Do you know the High Court in TN has functioned for all of 9 days this year? The lawyers are up in arms 'for the sake of Sri Lankan Tamils'. Very honourable, I'm sure, but why would anybody in Sri Lanka care if the Madras High Court functions or not?
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The lawyers are up in arms 'for the sake of Sri Lankan Tamils'.
:wtf: I didn't know of this. This is scarily close to Pakistanis "pushing" for the betterment of Indian Muslims?
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link -
Unfortunately, there are some people who just want to create trouble for all others. This is all too common and by no way restricted to MH. Do you know the High Court in TN has functioned for all of 9 days this year? The lawyers are up in arms 'for the sake of Sri Lankan Tamils'. Very honourable, I'm sure, but why would anybody in Sri Lanka care if the Madras High Court functions or not?
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
The only safe color reference to make is to call white people white - no one seems to be bothered by that.
When I think of white I think of a neighbor girl when I was growing up who was albino. She was a real "white girl".
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
High Court in TN has functioned for all of 9 days this year
9 out of 365? :omg: Not bad.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
d@nish wrote:
9 out of 365?
Umm, this year is less than two months old.
d@nish wrote:
Not bad
Was that sarcasm, or did you misread "has functioned" as "has not functioned" ? :)
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The lawyers are up in arms 'for the sake of Sri Lankan Tamils'.
:wtf: I didn't know of this. This is scarily close to Pakistanis "pushing" for the betterment of Indian Muslims?
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
I didn't know of this.
Nish, the support for the Sri Lankan Tamil cause is nothing new, it's decades old. While the LTTE are ruthless terrorists, it is undeniable that the Lankan Tamils have legitimate grievances. Indian Muslims are much, MUCH better off than Lankan Tamils, and Pakistan's interference is only to further the bullsh*t claim that they represent all Muslims of the subcontinent, something that sounded hollow even in 1947 when roughly one third of the subcontinent's Muslims chose to remain with India, and was laid bare in 1971 when Pakistan itself was dismembered.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
In India it's due to the indirect caste reference. In the old days people from specific lower castes used to be the barbers around the country - the reason being that, cutting or shaving someone else's hair was seen as a low-respect menial task.
Caste reference is not bad. Its the consequences one *had* to face were bad. But today? And any job including ours can be of low-respect in some opinions. But one should not forget its an opinion. Did the protestors had a look at the movie? I guess no as the name was changed before release. Billu, lead, is a barber and hence Billu barber. Now WTF is derogatory?
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
ell you'd get in trouble if you directly referred to a black man as black in many parts in the States
Never been to US. Whats the logic behind it? Whats wrong in calling a black/brown person black/brown? Not in a offending way but there are situations where it helps. Like there are 10 persons having just the one brown guy. You have to call the brown one and you say "Hey Mr brown guy.....". Is it offense?
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
d@nish wrote:
Whats the logic behind it? Whats wrong in calling a black/brown person black/brown?
The politically correct term for Americans of African descent keeps changing. Nigger, Negro, and Coloured Person (outright racist terms) were taboo roughly after WW2 (I don't know exactly when). They were then called Blacks, which also became politically incorrect, and they are now referred to as African-Americans. That's roughly how I understand it; I've never been to the USA myself.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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d@nish wrote:
9 out of 365?
Umm, this year is less than two months old.
d@nish wrote:
Not bad
Was that sarcasm, or did you misread "has functioned" as "has not functioned" ? :)
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Umm, this year is less than two months old.
Still in 2008 hangover. Poor me. :doh:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Was that sarcasm, or did you misread "has functioned" as "has not functioned" ?
I read as "has functioned". Aren't they supposed to work through the week?
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Umm, this year is less than two months old.
Still in 2008 hangover. Poor me. :doh:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Was that sarcasm, or did you misread "has functioned" as "has not functioned" ?
I read as "has functioned". Aren't they supposed to work through the week?
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
d@nish wrote:
Still in 2008 hangover
:wtf: Are you in New Delhi? What's your native language, Hindi? Any chance you'll come down South, esp. Madras? :)
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I didn't know of this.
Nish, the support for the Sri Lankan Tamil cause is nothing new, it's decades old. While the LTTE are ruthless terrorists, it is undeniable that the Lankan Tamils have legitimate grievances. Indian Muslims are much, MUCH better off than Lankan Tamils, and Pakistan's interference is only to further the bullsh*t claim that they represent all Muslims of the subcontinent, something that sounded hollow even in 1947 when roughly one third of the subcontinent's Muslims chose to remain with India, and was laid bare in 1971 when Pakistan itself was dismembered.
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
While the LTTE are ruthless terrorists, it is undeniable that the Lankan Tamils have legitimate grievances.
Probably true but I still think it's none of India's business.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Indian Muslims are much, MUCH better off than Lankan Tamils, and Pakistan's interference is only to further the bullsh*t claim that they represent all Muslims of the subcontinent, something that sounded hollow even in 1947 when roughly one third of the subcontinent's Muslims chose to remain with India, and was laid bare in 1971 when Pakistan itself was dismembered.
Yep, completely agree there. In fact I'd go so far as to say that for non-extremist Muslims India's probably one of the best countries to live in - they get more freedom here than in Muslim countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia :-)
Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
In India it's due to the indirect caste reference. In the old days people from specific lower castes used to be the barbers around the country - the reason being that, cutting or shaving someone else's hair was seen as a low-respect menial task.
Caste reference is not bad. Its the consequences one *had* to face were bad. But today? And any job including ours can be of low-respect in some opinions. But one should not forget its an opinion. Did the protestors had a look at the movie? I guess no as the name was changed before release. Billu, lead, is a barber and hence Billu barber. Now WTF is derogatory?
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
ell you'd get in trouble if you directly referred to a black man as black in many parts in the States
Never been to US. Whats the logic behind it? Whats wrong in calling a black/brown person black/brown? Not in a offending way but there are situations where it helps. Like there are 10 persons having just the one brown guy. You have to call the brown one and you say "Hey Mr brown guy.....". Is it offense?
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
d@nish wrote:
Whats wrong in calling a black/brown person black/brown? Not in a offending way but there are situations where it helps. Like there are 10 persons having just the one brown guy. You have to call the brown one and you say "Hey Mr brown guy.....". Is it offense?
Well imagine you are in school and you are talking to 3 classmates, one very fair, one very dark and one medium complexioned. Do you refer to them using color if you are new and don't know their names? Will you say something like, "I am sitting next to that black girl, just behind the white girl but I may eventually end up sitting next to that dark brown guy." That sounds pretty ridiculous and rude to me.
Regards, Nish
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d@nish wrote:
Still in 2008 hangover
:wtf: Are you in New Delhi? What's your native language, Hindi? Any chance you'll come down South, esp. Madras? :)
Cheers, Vıkram.
I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends. - Josh Gray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Are you in New Delhi?
How in the world you got that?
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
What's your native language, Hindi?
This one too.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Any chance you'll come down South, esp. Madras?
May be around May. I wish to work in Chennai. If I get out of my current project, then I will prefer going down South. I have been many places but only Hyderabad as far as South is concerned. But its not in my hand to choose the location.
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद
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d@nish wrote:
Whats wrong in calling a black/brown person black/brown? Not in a offending way but there are situations where it helps. Like there are 10 persons having just the one brown guy. You have to call the brown one and you say "Hey Mr brown guy.....". Is it offense?
Well imagine you are in school and you are talking to 3 classmates, one very fair, one very dark and one medium complexioned. Do you refer to them using color if you are new and don't know their names? Will you say something like, "I am sitting next to that black girl, just behind the white girl but I may eventually end up sitting next to that dark brown guy." That sounds pretty ridiculous and rude to me.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
"I am sitting next to that black girl, just behind the white girl but I may eventually end up sitting next to that dark brown guy." That sounds pretty ridiculous and rude to me.
Each brain is different. I don't find it rude. Not even ridiculous but irritating. I meant not regularly but if it comes out while talking, is that offense or the way you used the word matters?
The word "politics" describes the process so well: "Poli" in Latin meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures." जय हिंद