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  • S swjam

    Call me a fanbois but I think it's mostly that MS is so big that it's just an easy target. I find Vista all right. If people aren't matching the OS with the recommended hardware, I think that is their problem.

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    Kissing Microsoft's ass here at CP won't do you much good - you're gonna have to find a forum actually run by Microsoft to realize any potential benefit.

    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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      We've all suspected that Vista is a bloated pig, but it's still shocking to see hard facts that justify that suspicion: ...if you start with a basic Windows Vista Business (SP1) installation, you are looking at a workload consisting of nearly 600 threads spread across some 60+ processes.... By contrast, a default Windows XP Professional installation spawns just over 300 threads across roughly 40 processes.... even stripped bare and with all the extraneous UI fluff disabled, Vista still takes 40% longer to execute the OfficeBench test script when running against an identically configured Windows XP system.... Bottom Line: The idea that Vista's problems are entirely isolated to User Mode is pure rubbish. Doesn't anyone at Microsoft notice this stuff? Obviously other people do - maybe that's why their stock keeps falling. More here: http://weblog.infoworld.com/sentinel/archives/2008/06/the_myth_of_min.html[^]

      Best wishes, Hans


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      Chris Losinger
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      always has

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      • realJSOPR realJSOP

        Kissing Microsoft's ass here at CP won't do you much good - you're gonna have to find a forum actually run by Microsoft to realize any potential benefit.

        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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        :laugh:

        "mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"

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        • H Hans Dietrich

          We've all suspected that Vista is a bloated pig, but it's still shocking to see hard facts that justify that suspicion: ...if you start with a basic Windows Vista Business (SP1) installation, you are looking at a workload consisting of nearly 600 threads spread across some 60+ processes.... By contrast, a default Windows XP Professional installation spawns just over 300 threads across roughly 40 processes.... even stripped bare and with all the extraneous UI fluff disabled, Vista still takes 40% longer to execute the OfficeBench test script when running against an identically configured Windows XP system.... Bottom Line: The idea that Vista's problems are entirely isolated to User Mode is pure rubbish. Doesn't anyone at Microsoft notice this stuff? Obviously other people do - maybe that's why their stock keeps falling. More here: http://weblog.infoworld.com/sentinel/archives/2008/06/the_myth_of_min.html[^]

          Best wishes, Hans


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          Mladen Jankovic
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          I call this article pure rubbish. And it appears over and over again. Number of threads is meaningless as the whole article. [Update]What's next "benchmark"? Number of files in Windows directory?

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            I call this article pure rubbish. And it appears over and over again. Number of threads is meaningless as the whole article. [Update]What's next "benchmark"? Number of files in Windows directory?

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            What about "Vista still takes 40% longer to execute the OfficeBench test script"? Is that meaningless too?

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            • S swjam

              Call me a fanbois but I think it's mostly that MS is so big that it's just an easy target. I find Vista all right. If people aren't matching the OS with the recommended hardware, I think that is their problem.

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              Russell Jones
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              swjam wrote:

              Call me a fanbois

              You are a fanbois!

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              • realJSOPR realJSOP

                Kissing Microsoft's ass here at CP won't do you much good - you're gonna have to find a forum actually run by Microsoft to realize any potential benefit.

                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                forum actually run by Microsoft

                it wudn't still make a difference

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                • B blackjack2150

                  Ray Cassick wrote:

                  Microsoft is doing no more than taking advantage of the latest HW that is available.

                  I agree. But that can flip progress into regress when they stretch too much. It all comes down to overall user experience. When basic things like file copy take more time in Vista running on a dual core than on Win95 running on a Pentium 1, you start loosing it.

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                  I can agree there a bit. Companies do often just look at the hardware and say 'wow, I can really push this stuff' without looking at the real value that the new fancy stuff adds. The ballence though is looking at the new hardware that people will buy and making use of it just enough to make them feel that the added expense was worth it but not to push it so far that the new hardware starts to quickly feel as slow or worse as the older hardware was. It should all be about perceived value and quite often I think that gets missed somewhere between the idea and the implementation.


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                  • F fcheng

                    What about "Vista still takes 40% longer to execute the OfficeBench test script"? Is that meaningless too?

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                    Mladen Jankovic
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                    Yes and 87% of people think I'm right. Satisfied now?

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                    • F fcheng

                      What about "Vista still takes 40% longer to execute the OfficeBench test script"? Is that meaningless too?

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                      I call BS on that, with adequate hardware I've yet to find an app that didn't run faster on Vista than XP on identical hardware given time for Vista's caching mechanisms to kick in which is what I think most reviewers with an axe to grind purposefully do *not* do.


                      "It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson

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