Message Automatically Removed?
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Ilíon wrote:
And some of my posts vanish within minutes, sometimes even as I'm correcting a spelling error or missing word I didn't notice before I'd initially posted it.
How long did it take you to come up with this attack? The effect of the programming is quite impressive.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Oakman wrote:
How long did it take you to come up with this attack? The effect of the programming is quite impressive.
I haven't done a thing.
I suspect you are correct. I would appear this is an administrative decision. It would be nice to have an explanation...
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I'd believe that if some of the messages weren't still in blue - and some of them only have 2 votes.... An explanation would be nice. Apparently, while I was away, I missed loads...
You're right - some of mine were removed after one vote. However, the fact the Ilion is not subjected to this attack makes me still believe it is instigated by him.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Rob Graham wrote:
This actually suggests an automated attack across multiple logins, to me.
Exactly what I was thinking. Right now, I'm trying to balance, by voting anyone who isn't offensive up to a 5.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
%'s don't necessarily seem to help. Fistcuffs post below was supposedly so protected, and is now gone. Someone is having a good bit of fun at everyone else's expense. I hope Chris is able to detect the offender's identity and has the Lawyers drop him a not-so-polite suggestion.
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I'd believe that if some of the messages weren't still in blue - and some of them only have 2 votes.... An explanation would be nice. Apparently, while I was away, I missed loads...
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Apparently, while I was away, I missed loads...
I was away for a week and I can't see that I missed much at all.
Then what's with all the message deletion, if nothing happened?
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I suspect you are correct. I would appear this is an administrative decision. It would be nice to have an explanation...
73Zeppelin wrote:
I would appear this is an administrative decision.
The thought crossed my mind, but what exactly would be the point? If Chris wanted to shut SB down, he could. If he wanted to eliminate all negative voting in here, he could.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Oakman wrote:
Afraid to use the word, "black," after yesterday's conversation?
One can't be too careful in these times of crisis! :-D
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Interesting. Your OP on this subthread was eliminated with a 4.2 rating.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I would appear this is an administrative decision.
The thought crossed my mind, but what exactly would be the point? If Chris wanted to shut SB down, he could. If he wanted to eliminate all negative voting in here, he could.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
I have no idea - hence my original thread.
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Then what's with all the message deletion, if nothing happened?
73Zeppelin wrote:
Then what's with all the message deletion, if nothing happened?
Oh, that's what you meant. I have no idea what causes that, but I am laughing about it. Perhaps it's due to whatever it is which allows my posts to be vanished so quickly by one or two persons. I was talking about the general tone and content of the place.
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%'s don't necessarily seem to help. Fistcuffs post below was supposedly so protected, and is now gone. Someone is having a good bit of fun at everyone else's expense. I hope Chris is able to detect the offender's identity and has the Lawyers drop him a not-so-polite suggestion.
Rob Graham wrote:
I hope Chris is able to detect the offender's identity and has the Lawyers drop him a not-so-polite suggestion
Or, especially if it is Troy as I suspect, Chris gets pissed enough to keep deleting him every time he reregisters.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Then what's with all the message deletion, if nothing happened?
Oh, that's what you meant. I have no idea what causes that, but I am laughing about it. Perhaps it's due to whatever it is which allows my posts to be vanished so quickly by one or two persons. I was talking about the general tone and content of the place.
Ilíon wrote:
Oh, that's what you meant. I have no idea what causes that, but I am laughing about it. Perhaps it's due to whatever it is which allows my posts to be vanished so quickly by one or two persons.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Ilíon wrote:
I was talking about the general tone and content of the place.
I don't read all the old threads - too hard to go through message by message. I assumed all the deleting meant that I had missed some kind of flame war or something. Apparently not. Which is what makes this latest bout of deletion rather strange.
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Ilíon wrote:
Oh, that's what you meant. I have no idea what causes that, but I am laughing about it. Perhaps it's due to whatever it is which allows my posts to be vanished so quickly by one or two persons.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Ilíon wrote:
I was talking about the general tone and content of the place.
I don't read all the old threads - too hard to go through message by message. I assumed all the deleting meant that I had missed some kind of flame war or something. Apparently not. Which is what makes this latest bout of deletion rather strange.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I assumed all the deleting meant that I had missed some kind of flame war or something.
Ah. Well, if there was, I missed it too (and, like you, I wasn't about to read *all* the posts of the past week). But, hasn't there been a sort or inverse (and one sided) flame war going on for months?
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Rob Graham wrote:
I hope Chris is able to detect the offender's identity and has the Lawyers drop him a not-so-polite suggestion
Or, especially if it is Troy as I suspect, Chris gets pissed enough to keep deleting him every time he reregisters.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
Or, especially if it is Troy as I suspect, Chris gets pissed enough to keep deleting him every time he reregisters.
How utterly strange is it that our very own Dryrot *boasts* of his ability to help censor me? Yet, here he is spinning strange conspiracy theories and/or accusing me of possessing extraordinary hacker skills [edit: recall, I am the epitome of stupidity] Is it not strange that to collusively censor me, and laugh about it, is not abusive of the site and its terms [and yet, when for whatever reason, Dryrot is experiencing the same, it *is* abusive of the site and its terms]? How odd life is.
modified on Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:04 PM
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Oakman wrote:
Afraid to use the word, "black," after yesterday's conversation?
One can't be too careful in these times of crisis! :-D
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Fisticuffs wrote:
One can't be too careful in these times of crisis! :-D
Never let a good crisis go to waste, after all.
A practice begun by Paulson, and raised to high art by the current administration (actually, I think it is an old art, rediscovered recently).
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I suspect you are correct. I would appear this is an administrative decision. It would be nice to have an explanation...
73Zeppelin wrote:
I suspect you are correct.
Of course I'm correct in what I said. I certainly ought to know whether I've hacked the site, don't you think? And I certainly ought to know whether I am the sort of person who creates sock-puppets. Those were, after all, the "suggestions" being bandied about.
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Oakman wrote:
Or, especially if it is Troy as I suspect, Chris gets pissed enough to keep deleting him every time he reregisters.
How utterly strange is it that our very own Dryrot *boasts* of his ability to help censor me? Yet, here he is spinning strange conspiracy theories and/or accusing me of possessing extraordinary hacker skills [edit: recall, I am the epitome of stupidity] Is it not strange that to collusively censor me, and laugh about it, is not abusive of the site and its terms [and yet, when for whatever reason, Dryrot is experiencing the same, it *is* abusive of the site and its terms]? How odd life is.
modified on Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:04 PM
The difference between censoring your posts and wiping out posts indiscriminately is that the censorship was done by the agreement of multiple members of the community (I won't go into whether those multiple members can accurately represent the community), but wiping out posts with a single vote is bypassing the normal operation of the site (with an exception being that the owner of the site has made the change) Furthermore, the problem is not just with one member. It appears to be spread across several members. When one member, who is not precisely popular, has messages removed it is censorship. When multiple members have messages removed without the characteristic one-votes, it becomes suspicious
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I suspect you are correct.
Of course I'm correct in what I said. I certainly ought to know whether I've hacked the site, don't you think? And I certainly ought to know whether I am the sort of person who creates sock-puppets. Those were, after all, the "suggestions" being bandied about.
Ilíon wrote:
Of course I'm correct in what I said. I certainly ought to know whether I've hacked the site, don't you think? And I certainly ought to know whether I am the sort of person who creates sock-puppets.
And given how much respect you have shown for this website and the rest of the people who post here, it is not hard to imagine you lying through your teeth about any and or all of that.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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The difference between censoring your posts and wiping out posts indiscriminately is that the censorship was done by the agreement of multiple members of the community (I won't go into whether those multiple members can accurately represent the community), but wiping out posts with a single vote is bypassing the normal operation of the site (with an exception being that the owner of the site has made the change) Furthermore, the problem is not just with one member. It appears to be spread across several members. When one member, who is not precisely popular, has messages removed it is censorship. When multiple members have messages removed without the characteristic one-votes, it becomes suspicious
Out of curiousity: did you remove your message to me? I suspect you did, so I won't say anything except I think you hit the nail on the head. Probably should pass it on the Chris. And good thinking!
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.