The Soapbox - an option [modified]
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Ilíon wrote:
What is different about the so-called Soapbox between Friday and Saturday?
The difference lies in the way the votes were cast. While it is still debatable whether the message removed link should have been active, they were done by multiple people who went through the proper channels. In contrast to this, what happened on Saturday was a wiping out of posts in a seemingly random fashion. One of my posts was nuked with no vote being cast, and this happened to many people. Now as you know, this is impossible by normal means, so something must have been subverting the normal operation of the message removal mechanism
Computafreak wrote:
The difference lies in the way the votes were cast. While it is still debatable whether the message removed link should have been active, they were done by multiple people who went through the proper channels. In contrast to this, what happened on Saturday was a wiping out of posts in a seemingly random fashion. One of my posts was nuked with no vote being cast, and this happened to many people. Now as you know, this is impossible by normal means, so something must have been subverting the normal operation of the message removal mechanism
Whether you realize it or not, almost nothing you said here is true. For months, *my* posts have been vanished in much the same way that "the community's" were vanished yesterday. Once again: Just what, exactly, was the point of the so-called Soapbox, after all, if that point can be so easily obviated by a few hours of the more obnoxious posters getting a taste of their own medicine?
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The Soapbox degenerated into a forum more or less dedicated to US politics and personal bandwagons. It was absolutely pointless to my goal of providing free resources to Software Developers. However, removing it means that I no longer have a place to move inappropriate posts (I always prefer to move than delete) which means I'm going to be spending all my monitoring the lounge. I want to read and enjoy the lounge, not clean up everyone's mess. So how about: 1. I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge' or something. Anything not PG rated goes there. I do miss bad, politically incorrect jokes. Anything totally inappropriate in either of the lounges gets nuked, zero tolerance. And... 2. I reopen the Soapbox and remove votes and remove the ability for casual members to vote messages off the island. There will be no exposure for the forum (no links from the homepage or menus). The current Soapbox crowd has a private place to vent their spleens. However since many of the members in there are in the US they understand more than anyone the issues of libel laws. We, as a site, cannot promote or implicitely allow anything that violates any of the hate-crime or libel laws. I simply will not allow the site to be legally exposed simply for the sake of a few. So, in order to participate in the Soapbox you will have to agree, with each post, that you are not violating our Terms of Use. Go nuts, but stay within the ropes. Further, I'll ask the Soapbox crowd to nominate a few members who will have the right to delete posts. You guys will have your own self-policed protected corner in which to continue your fun and will yourselves be responsible for ensuring this behaviour is within reason, and that it doesn't spill out on to the rest of the site.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:43 AM
Chris Maunder wrote:
I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge'
Cool, a new forum with a nice minty-chocolate after-taste to wash away all the filth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Eight[^]
This signature was proudly tested on animals.
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After reading ilion's post[^] below, I fear no solution short of permanent closure can work. With thanks to all who showed unwarranted confidence in me by suggesting I might be a suitable monito to a vote free soapbox, the anger that Ilion's two self serving posts below stirred in me persuades me that I would not be able to resist the temptation to abuse such power, and so I must decline. Let Ilion have his precious victory.
Rob Graham wrote:
Let Ilion have his precious victory.
If you simply must look at it in those terms, then Ilíon "wins" no matter what: 1) If Mr Maunder does the right thing, then we all win ... except, of course, that you "community" boys will have to stop acting like school-yard bullies who know that teacher has your back. 2) If Mr Maunder does what he clearly wants to do, then the truth of the matter is out in the open ... and Ilíon "wins." Ilíon wants Mr Maunder to do the right thing.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Before 8
Are "before" and "under" synonymous in Jolly Olde, then?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Antonyms! Before / After. Doesn't quite work with under!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
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Computafreak wrote:
The difference lies in the way the votes were cast. While it is still debatable whether the message removed link should have been active, they were done by multiple people who went through the proper channels. In contrast to this, what happened on Saturday was a wiping out of posts in a seemingly random fashion. One of my posts was nuked with no vote being cast, and this happened to many people. Now as you know, this is impossible by normal means, so something must have been subverting the normal operation of the message removal mechanism
Whether you realize it or not, almost nothing you said here is true. For months, *my* posts have been vanished in much the same way that "the community's" were vanished yesterday. Once again: Just what, exactly, was the point of the so-called Soapbox, after all, if that point can be so easily obviated by a few hours of the more obnoxious posters getting a taste of their own medicine?
The difference lies in the way the votes were cast - true It is still debatable whether the message removed link should have been active - true They were done by multiple people - true Went through the proper channels - true What happened on Saturday was a wiping out of posts in a seemingly random fashion - probably true, I'm rubbish at spotting patterns One of my posts was nuked with no vote being cast - true (check my profile if you want proof) This is impossible by normal means - true (marking a message for removal also univotes; thirteen hides the message)
Ilíon wrote:
For months, *my* posts have been vanished in much the same way that "the community's" were vanished yesterday.
False. Yours were done in a more democratic way. Multiple people voted. Not always thirteen, but sufficient enough to ensure that it wasn't just one person making the decisions
Ilíon wrote:
Just what, exactly, was the point of the so-called Soapbox, after all, if that point can be so easily obviated by a few hours of the more obnoxious posters getting a taste of their own medicine?
I'll be honest; I wasn't around to see its creation. However, I always thought of it as a non-kid sister safe alternative to the Lounge, where you (plural) would have the more inane posts shouted down and/or univoted
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Rob Graham wrote:
Let Ilion have his precious victory.
You are right. I feel reasonably sure his posts in this thread were designed to destroy any version of Soapbox, especially one in which he would be required to play by the rules. Basically, the problem is, as I see it, if there is no Soapbox for him to use as an attack platform, he'll head for After 8; and if that's not there, he'll go after the Lounge. He's really out to show Chris that he, Ilion, is in charge here, not the founder.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
He's really out to show Chris that he, Ilion, is in charge here, not the founder.
Indeed. He says as much in his response to the same post you are responding to.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge'
Cool, a new forum with a nice minty-chocolate after-taste to wash away all the filth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Eight[^]
This signature was proudly tested on animals.
But you know what it's like, one is never enough!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
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Rob Graham wrote:
Let Ilion have his precious victory.
If you simply must look at it in those terms, then Ilíon "wins" no matter what: 1) If Mr Maunder does the right thing, then we all win ... except, of course, that you "community" boys will have to stop acting like school-yard bullies who know that teacher has your back. 2) If Mr Maunder does what he clearly wants to do, then the truth of the matter is out in the open ... and Ilíon "wins." Ilíon wants Mr Maunder to do the right thing.
Your selfish arrogance knows no bounds, does it?
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Rob Graham wrote:
Let Ilion have his precious victory.
You are right. I feel reasonably sure his posts in this thread were designed to destroy any version of Soapbox, especially one in which he would be required to play by the rules. Basically, the problem is, as I see it, if there is no Soapbox for him to use as an attack platform, he'll head for After 8; and if that's not there, he'll go after the Lounge. He's really out to show Chris that he, Ilion, is in charge here, not the founder.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
I un oned you.
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
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Your selfish arrogance knows no bounds, does it?
He has an inability to recognise that he is unpopular and wrong, and he will work his best to destroy every forum, we must all stop feeding him!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
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Your selfish arrogance knows no bounds, does it?
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I too like non PC humour
So you prefer Linux humor ... Or is it MAC?
Ko seje so, nicu mu skakavci.
Mac. Humour. I think not.
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I un oned you.
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
Dalek Dave wrote:
I un oned you.
Gee, I wonder who that might have been? :confused: I 5-voted your suggestion that we stop responding to him. A pre-emptive strike. ;) . . . and a fervrent prayer.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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The difference lies in the way the votes were cast - true It is still debatable whether the message removed link should have been active - true They were done by multiple people - true Went through the proper channels - true What happened on Saturday was a wiping out of posts in a seemingly random fashion - probably true, I'm rubbish at spotting patterns One of my posts was nuked with no vote being cast - true (check my profile if you want proof) This is impossible by normal means - true (marking a message for removal also univotes; thirteen hides the message)
Ilíon wrote:
For months, *my* posts have been vanished in much the same way that "the community's" were vanished yesterday.
False. Yours were done in a more democratic way. Multiple people voted. Not always thirteen, but sufficient enough to ensure that it wasn't just one person making the decisions
Ilíon wrote:
Just what, exactly, was the point of the so-called Soapbox, after all, if that point can be so easily obviated by a few hours of the more obnoxious posters getting a taste of their own medicine?
I'll be honest; I wasn't around to see its creation. However, I always thought of it as a non-kid sister safe alternative to the Lounge, where you (plural) would have the more inane posts shouted down and/or univoted
Computafreak wrote:
I always thought of it as a non-kid sister safe alternative to the Lounge, where you (plural) would have the more inane posts shouted down and/or univoted
Yep.
Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
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He has an inability to recognise that he is unpopular and wrong, and he will work his best to destroy every forum, we must all stop feeding him!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
Agreed. I, for one, will strive to henceforth give his posts the complete inattention they deserve.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I un oned you.
Gee, I wonder who that might have been? :confused: I 5-voted your suggestion that we stop responding to him. A pre-emptive strike. ;) . . . and a fervrent prayer.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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The Soapbox degenerated into a forum more or less dedicated to US politics and personal bandwagons. It was absolutely pointless to my goal of providing free resources to Software Developers. However, removing it means that I no longer have a place to move inappropriate posts (I always prefer to move than delete) which means I'm going to be spending all my monitoring the lounge. I want to read and enjoy the lounge, not clean up everyone's mess. So how about: 1. I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge' or something. Anything not PG rated goes there. I do miss bad, politically incorrect jokes. Anything totally inappropriate in either of the lounges gets nuked, zero tolerance. And... 2. I reopen the Soapbox and remove votes and remove the ability for casual members to vote messages off the island. There will be no exposure for the forum (no links from the homepage or menus). The current Soapbox crowd has a private place to vent their spleens. However since many of the members in there are in the US they understand more than anyone the issues of libel laws. We, as a site, cannot promote or implicitely allow anything that violates any of the hate-crime or libel laws. I simply will not allow the site to be legally exposed simply for the sake of a few. So, in order to participate in the Soapbox you will have to agree, with each post, that you are not violating our Terms of Use. Go nuts, but stay within the ropes. Further, I'll ask the Soapbox crowd to nominate a few members who will have the right to delete posts. You guys will have your own self-policed protected corner in which to continue your fun and will yourselves be responsible for ensuring this behaviour is within reason, and that it doesn't spill out on to the rest of the site.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:43 AM
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Oakman wrote:
A pre-emptive strike.
A pre-emptive strike isn't enough. We need an air strike
Computafreak wrote:
We need an air strike
I love the smell of napalm on a Sunday afternoon. :laugh:
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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The Soapbox degenerated into a forum more or less dedicated to US politics and personal bandwagons. It was absolutely pointless to my goal of providing free resources to Software Developers. However, removing it means that I no longer have a place to move inappropriate posts (I always prefer to move than delete) which means I'm going to be spending all my monitoring the lounge. I want to read and enjoy the lounge, not clean up everyone's mess. So how about: 1. I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge' or something. Anything not PG rated goes there. I do miss bad, politically incorrect jokes. Anything totally inappropriate in either of the lounges gets nuked, zero tolerance. And... 2. I reopen the Soapbox and remove votes and remove the ability for casual members to vote messages off the island. There will be no exposure for the forum (no links from the homepage or menus). The current Soapbox crowd has a private place to vent their spleens. However since many of the members in there are in the US they understand more than anyone the issues of libel laws. We, as a site, cannot promote or implicitely allow anything that violates any of the hate-crime or libel laws. I simply will not allow the site to be legally exposed simply for the sake of a few. So, in order to participate in the Soapbox you will have to agree, with each post, that you are not violating our Terms of Use. Go nuts, but stay within the ropes. Further, I'll ask the Soapbox crowd to nominate a few members who will have the right to delete posts. You guys will have your own self-policed protected corner in which to continue your fun and will yourselves be responsible for ensuring this behaviour is within reason, and that it doesn't spill out on to the rest of the site.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:43 AM
Well, option 1 is a none-starter. What's after 8 for me is lunchtime for you. Option 2 seems to be the most appropriate choice - oh well, I guess I'll have to find somewhere else to post my more off-colour jokes.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
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He has an inability to recognise that he is unpopular and wrong, and he will work his best to destroy every forum, we must all stop feeding him!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
I never feed him.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
