Interesting article, further to 'wag the dog' below
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interesting article, scary too. i'll make the same comment i always do: They really do hate us for what we do. and i'm sure the same people will make the same comments they always do. then i'll say something like "GWB is a fool" and someone will accuse me of being a "liberal" because i dare question the govt. and so on. -c
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
LOL, they hate us because they are told they should hate us. What the hell does a nine year old kid know about the political situation. But hell, he HATES America so he must be revered as an inspiring leader. It is all about political manipulation. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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LOL, they hate us because they are told they should hate us. What the hell does a nine year old kid know about the political situation. But hell, he HATES America so he must be revered as an inspiring leader. It is all about political manipulation. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: It is all about political manipulation i see your point and i'm sure there's a lot of anti-US propaganda over there. but i don't think it's the whole story, and reducing hundreds of millions of people to ploitical dupes doesn't really solve anything. -c
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
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Mike Upton wrote: Any comments? (As a first-time poster to the Lounge, I'm too scared to make my own ) Hi Mike...welcome to CP. :-D Don't be scared to post - if I can cope with the community here (and believe me it was interesting at first) I'm sure you can. Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschAnna :) wrote: if I can cope with the community here But you're a girl. We're nice to girls.:) We guys just rip each other apart. :laugh: David Stone But Clinton wasn't a predictable, boring, aging, lying, eloquent, maintainer-of-the-status-quo. He was a predictable, boring-but-trying-to-look-hip, aging-and-fat-but-seemingly-oblivious-to-it, lying-but-in-sadly-blatant-ways, not-eloquent-but-trying-to-make-up-for-it-by-talking-even-more, bringer-in-of-scary-and-potentially-dangerous-new-policies. And there was also Al Gore. It just wasn't *right*. Shog9
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interesting article, scary too. i'll make the same comment i always do: They really do hate us for what we do. and i'm sure the same people will make the same comments they always do. then i'll say something like "GWB is a fool" and someone will accuse me of being a "liberal" because i dare question the govt. and so on. -c
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
But the eternal question is what can be do differently? How much do we have to change to satisfy them. When push comes to shove I want the change to be on their part. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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But the eternal question is what can be do differently? How much do we have to change to satisfy them. When push comes to shove I want the change to be on their part. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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Chris Losinger wrote: interesting. i'll bet they feel the same. Probably so. So, lets agree that the culture which has changed the least in the last 1500 years be the first to show some flexibility. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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Chris Losinger wrote: interesting. i'll bet they feel the same. Probably so. So, lets agree that the culture which has changed the least in the last 1500 years be the first to show some flexibility. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Reverend Stan wrote: So, lets agree that the culture which has changed the least in the last 1500 years be the first to show some flexibility. i'm not sure that's vaild a criteria. but, i'm sure we'll all work something out eventually. until then, keep your eyes out for disgruntled arabs... -c
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
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interesting article, scary too. i'll make the same comment i always do: They really do hate us for what we do. and i'm sure the same people will make the same comments they always do. then i'll say something like "GWB is a fool" and someone will accuse me of being a "liberal" because i dare question the govt. and so on. -c
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
You have people in America and I imagine every country with the same personalities and attitudes. In America they have issues with different things. Someone sees animals treated with cruelty and the next thing you know they're saying "OMG that's an animal product! How can you eat that?" Todd Smith
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Anna :) wrote: if I can cope with the community here But you're a girl. We're nice to girls.:) We guys just rip each other apart. :laugh: David Stone But Clinton wasn't a predictable, boring, aging, lying, eloquent, maintainer-of-the-status-quo. He was a predictable, boring-but-trying-to-look-hip, aging-and-fat-but-seemingly-oblivious-to-it, lying-but-in-sadly-blatant-ways, not-eloquent-but-trying-to-make-up-for-it-by-talking-even-more, bringer-in-of-scary-and-potentially-dangerous-new-policies. And there was also Al Gore. It just wasn't *right*. Shog9
David Stone wrote: We're nice to girls. *lauren chokes*
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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I read an interesting article in The Telegraph a couple of days ago, and reading through the 'wag the dog' thread below reminded me of it. I thought others might be interested too (it's a bit long though...) "How do the young Muslims of the Middle East reconcile a fascination for Western life with their intense loathing of America? Graham Turner vists Beirut and Damascus"[^] Any comments? (As a first-time poster to the Lounge, I'm too scared to make my own :~ )
"We are the knights who say Ni" (The Knights Who Say Ni)
Overall, a good article. I'd recommend it, with a few notes. The strangest thing about Israel-Palestine is that they are both outraged over offenses that they both commit. For example, it's no secret that Israel is the holy land for the Jews. Jerusalem is the most holy city. Now Palestinians (rightly) hate that the land is being taken from them. But, I have to ask the question, "If Jews were in control of Mecca (the holiest place for Muslims), how many Muslims would be fighting to take it back from the Jews?" Why there's simply no debate that there would be thousands (millions?) of Muslims willing to kill the Jews to take back Mecca. At the same time, the Muslims see the Crusades as an example of Western evil. But, the land of Israel was their holy land, too! How can Muslims look at the Crusades as evil if they themselves would do exactly the same thing today if Christians were in control of Mecca? Additionally, a poll in Saudi Arabia showed that a large number of Muslims hated the fact that US troops were in "the holy land". The fact that "the dirty infidel's" foot was in the holy land was an offense, and yet, they can't understand why the Jews want their holy land??? It makes no sense at all, unless you take into account that people ONLY see things from their own viewpoint. Other examples from the same article: "After what Jews have said about us, calling us pigs, refusing to recognise that Islam is a great religion - even if we got our land back, the agreement would not, in my opinion, last very long. Muslims have been calling Jews names for a long, long time. Recently in California, someone found a copy of the Koran from the early 20th century which had footnotes which were blantent anti-Jewish sentiments. (Wow, they're even writing hatred of the Jews into their holy books?) I'm not saying that one side or the other started it, but I absolutely disagree with the implication that the Jews are completely to blame. Other notes: The Jews, al-Azmeh went on, seemed utterly blind to the irony that they were now doing to the Palestinians exactly what their own persecutors had done to them in the past.... The Nazis had treated them as Untermenschen: they were doing exactly the same to the Arabs, he said. And they were driving out thousands of young Palestinians into the same kind of diaspora as had once been inflicted on them. Sorry, the Nazi-Jew comparison is WAY overstated. If the Jews put millions of Palestinians in work-camps and begin gasing them, I'll believe it. B
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Anna :) wrote: if I can cope with the community here But you're a girl. We're nice to girls.:) We guys just rip each other apart. :laugh: David Stone But Clinton wasn't a predictable, boring, aging, lying, eloquent, maintainer-of-the-status-quo. He was a predictable, boring-but-trying-to-look-hip, aging-and-fat-but-seemingly-oblivious-to-it, lying-but-in-sadly-blatant-ways, not-eloquent-but-trying-to-make-up-for-it-by-talking-even-more, bringer-in-of-scary-and-potentially-dangerous-new-policies. And there was also Al Gore. It just wasn't *right*. Shog9
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I read an interesting article in The Telegraph a couple of days ago, and reading through the 'wag the dog' thread below reminded me of it. I thought others might be interested too (it's a bit long though...) "How do the young Muslims of the Middle East reconcile a fascination for Western life with their intense loathing of America? Graham Turner vists Beirut and Damascus"[^] Any comments? (As a first-time poster to the Lounge, I'm too scared to make my own :~ )
"We are the knights who say Ni" (The Knights Who Say Ni)
Looks like he knew what he was going to find before getting on the plane :suss: Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Mike Upton wrote: Any comments? (As a first-time poster to the Lounge, I'm too scared to make my own ) Hi Mike...welcome to CP. :-D Don't be scared to post - if I can cope with the community here (and believe me it was interesting at first) I'm sure you can. Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschI wonder if the US has a comedy like 'Men Behaving Badly' :eek: Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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David Stone wrote: We're nice to girls. *lauren chokes*
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
sonork: 100.18128 8028finder.comlauren wrote: We're nice to girls. *lauren chokes* *pats Lauren on the back* Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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I read an interesting article in The Telegraph a couple of days ago, and reading through the 'wag the dog' thread below reminded me of it. I thought others might be interested too (it's a bit long though...) "How do the young Muslims of the Middle East reconcile a fascination for Western life with their intense loathing of America? Graham Turner vists Beirut and Damascus"[^] Any comments? (As a first-time poster to the Lounge, I'm too scared to make my own :~ )
"We are the knights who say Ni" (The Knights Who Say Ni)
I just hope the Muslims in the Middle East learn from their encounters with Europe and America over the last 200 years. Regardless of who's fault it is, the middle eastern countries have faired poorly in every conflict they have been in with modern western powers. Provoking another all out war is a good way to be invaded and "recolonialized".
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I wonder if the US has a comedy like 'Men Behaving Badly' :eek: Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: I wonder if the US has a comedy like 'Men Behaving Badly' hehe I shudder to think! :laugh: I suspect it's a little too off the wall for the US. Maybe one of our US colleagues could enlighten us? Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Anna :) wrote: if I can cope with the community here But you're a girl. We're nice to girls.:) We guys just rip each other apart. :laugh: David Stone But Clinton wasn't a predictable, boring, aging, lying, eloquent, maintainer-of-the-status-quo. He was a predictable, boring-but-trying-to-look-hip, aging-and-fat-but-seemingly-oblivious-to-it, lying-but-in-sadly-blatant-ways, not-eloquent-but-trying-to-make-up-for-it-by-talking-even-more, bringer-in-of-scary-and-potentially-dangerous-new-policies. And there was also Al Gore. It just wasn't *right*. Shog9
David Stone wrote: But you're a girl. We're nice to girls. We guys just rip each other apart. Thank you David. :rose: In fact there were a couple of people who were a little off with me when I first started talking last October (I don't think they knew what to make of me), but at least that's all in the past now. :) Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Reverend Stan wrote: So, lets agree that the culture which has changed the least in the last 1500 years be the first to show some flexibility. i'm not sure that's vaild a criteria. but, i'm sure we'll all work something out eventually. until then, keep your eyes out for disgruntled arabs... -c
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
Chris Losinger wrote: until then, keep your eyes out for disgruntled arabs... I think we should keep them busy looking out for disgruntled rednecks. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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interesting article, scary too. i'll make the same comment i always do: They really do hate us for what we do. and i'm sure the same people will make the same comments they always do. then i'll say something like "GWB is a fool" and someone will accuse me of being a "liberal" because i dare question the govt. and so on. -c
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
Chris Losinger wrote: and i'm sure the same people will make the same comments they always do. then i'll say something like "GWB is a fool" and someone will accuse me of being a "liberal" because i dare question the govt. and so on. Now Now Chris. I would never call someone who questioned the Govt. as being a liberal. I would classify that person as a independant ( quasi Rebublican ). Democrats and liberals think that the Gov. IS the solution - there is nothing wrong a new law or a new tax or a new policy or a new federal level committe won't fix. Repuclicans and independants look at ANY interference with a juandiced eye. We belive in less Gov. less taxes , less regulation, more dependance on oneself. So welcome to the club !! As far as I'm concerned the feds should stick to national defense and interstate commerece and let the States do the rest but I know that isn't going to happen. One can hope however. GWB may be a fool but he's your fool so back him up till 2004. Then you can throw him back to Texas. Richard When we mean to build, We first survey the plot, then draw the model; And when we see the figure of the house, Then must we rate the cost of the execution. William Shakespeare (King Henry IV)
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Chris Losinger wrote: and i'm sure the same people will make the same comments they always do. then i'll say something like "GWB is a fool" and someone will accuse me of being a "liberal" because i dare question the govt. and so on. Now Now Chris. I would never call someone who questioned the Govt. as being a liberal. I would classify that person as a independant ( quasi Rebublican ). Democrats and liberals think that the Gov. IS the solution - there is nothing wrong a new law or a new tax or a new policy or a new federal level committe won't fix. Repuclicans and independants look at ANY interference with a juandiced eye. We belive in less Gov. less taxes , less regulation, more dependance on oneself. So welcome to the club !! As far as I'm concerned the feds should stick to national defense and interstate commerece and let the States do the rest but I know that isn't going to happen. One can hope however. GWB may be a fool but he's your fool so back him up till 2004. Then you can throw him back to Texas. Richard When we mean to build, We first survey the plot, then draw the model; And when we see the figure of the house, Then must we rate the cost of the execution. William Shakespeare (King Henry IV)