Poor little jocks
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One of the school districts here is toying with the idea of eliminating sports as a way of getting through the budget crunch. The way people are whining about it, you'd think someone poisoned their puppy. I suppose we could save the jocks by eliminating a few math and science classes. I'll bet they'd favor that approach.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
I don't see why a sports program can't exist for the cost of a football and a lawn mower.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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One of the school districts here is toying with the idea of eliminating sports as a way of getting through the budget crunch. The way people are whining about it, you'd think someone poisoned their puppy. I suppose we could save the jocks by eliminating a few math and science classes. I'll bet they'd favor that approach.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether. They became incorporated into it as part of the progressive movement of the late 19th and early 20th century as a way for government to control athletic and artistic processes. Before that, there was far more sports, music and art in our society than there is now - it just wasn't controlled by the government, but by individuals and private clubs and organizations.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I don't see why a sports program can't exist for the cost of a football and a lawn mower.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
don't see why a sports program can't exist for the cost of a football and a lawn mower.
you're exhibiting far too much common sense.
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I don't see why a sports program can't exist for the cost of a football and a lawn mower.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
a lawn mower
You should see the lawnmower my guy uses when he comes to cut my grass. List price is a little over $14,000. But they threw in a free John Deere hat.
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As a non-jock who loves sports, it would be sad to see sports eliminated. I also think it's wrong to put sports above academics. I would like to see the jocks out there washing cars or something to raise money just like all the other school organizations. It might also teach them a little humility, something many of them are sorely lacking.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I would like to see the jocks out there washing cars or something to raise money just like all the other school organizations.
The school where I mentor the robotics club theoretically has a boosters' club to fund the football program. Although when I was trying to get the superintendent to cough up some money for the club, he did manage to let it slip they always run over and the school picks up the difference out of the general fund. He also didn't say whether the school paid the coach or he was an employee of the boosters' club. I'll bet the school covers the coach and whatever assistants he has as well as all the maintenance on whatever facilities they use.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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Tim Craig wrote:
I suppose we could save the jocks by eliminating a few math and science classes. I'll bet they'd favor that approach.
When my daughter's HS eliminated a bunch of advanced programs (directed study at a college; trig; Advanced Biology and Chemistry and who knows what else) while continuing to fund the football and baseball teams, I wanted to know why. The answer, stripped of some gobbledygook, was that minorities do well in sports and they deserved every break they could get. I started to point out that Jimmy the Greek had destroyed his career by making the self-same racist remark, but there is nothing more dangerous when crossed than a school administrator who holds your daughter's future in his hands.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
The answer, stripped of some gobbledygook, was that minorities do well in sports and they deserved every break they could get.
I've heard similar arguments about how the jocks wouldn't stay in school without the sports. My experience is that they just hang around, disrupt classes, and don't learn anything anyhow. Then, if they're good enough, they get a free ride to college where they repeat the process and eventually end up an illiterate adult.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether. They became incorporated into it as part of the progressive movement of the late 19th and early 20th century as a way for government to control athletic and artistic processes. Before that, there was far more sports, music and art in our society than there is now - it just wasn't controlled by the government, but by individuals and private clubs and organizations.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether. They became incorporated into it as part of the progressive movement of the late 19th and early 20th century as a way for government to control athletic and artistic processes.
So the government makes rulings on how high the net should be in tennis and that sort of thing? Shocking! What an evil plot on the part of the government.
John Carson
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I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether. They became incorporated into it as part of the progressive movement of the late 19th and early 20th century as a way for government to control athletic and artistic processes. Before that, there was far more sports, music and art in our society than there is now - it just wasn't controlled by the government, but by individuals and private clubs and organizations.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
But, do you think those organisations would suddenly reappear, or do you think kids would just play more Nintendo ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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I don't see why a sports program can't exist for the cost of a football and a lawn mower.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
lawn mower
A robot mentor I know at another HS approached the administration about supporting his robotics club. When they were told it would cost at least $8000 a year, they said that's less than we spend on the grass on the football field and gave it to him. But that was a private school and presumably more focused on academics.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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Christian Graus wrote:
a lawn mower
You should see the lawnmower my guy uses when he comes to cut my grass. List price is a little over $14,000. But they threw in a free John Deere hat.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether. They became incorporated into it as part of the progressive movement of the late 19th and early 20th century as a way for government to control athletic and artistic processes. Before that, there was far more sports, music and art in our society than there is now - it just wasn't controlled by the government, but by individuals and private clubs and organizations.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Does he put a nice grid pattern[^] into it? I've always wanted a lawn big enough to do that
Josh Gray wrote:
I've always wanted a lawn big enough to do that
I've got one - and I wish I had teh TIME to do that! (I'm hoping to train the Alpacas to eat to a patten, but no luck so far :)
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But, do you think those organisations would suddenly reappear, or do you think kids would just play more Nintendo ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
play more Nintendo
Is that physically possible? Saw a kid at the sk8 park the other day, probably 12 or thirteen, skating while playing on his DS. Showed remarkable coordination I must say!
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Josh Gray wrote:
I've always wanted a lawn big enough to do that
I've got one - and I wish I had teh TIME to do that! (I'm hoping to train the Alpacas to eat to a patten, but no luck so far :)
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I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether. They became incorporated into it as part of the progressive movement of the late 19th and early 20th century as a way for government to control athletic and artistic processes. Before that, there was far more sports, music and art in our society than there is now - it just wasn't controlled by the government, but by individuals and private clubs and organizations.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether.
Why?
Stan Shannon wrote:
as a way for government to control athletic and artistic processes.
You think? So the US Government wanted to control student's art & sport? For what possible reason?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Before that, there was far more sports, music and art in our society than there is now - it just wasn't controlled by the government, but by individuals and private clubs and organizations.
You're not seriously suggesting that the decline in families sitting around the piano of an evening singing is due to the governments desire to control individual's musical development? I would also doubt (but don't have figures to prove it) that there were more sports clubs prior to compulsory education than after it. Even today the majority of sports are played in private clubs outside of school.
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Christian Graus wrote:
lawn mower
A robot mentor I know at another HS approached the administration about supporting his robotics club. When they were told it would cost at least $8000 a year, they said that's less than we spend on the grass on the football field and gave it to him. But that was a private school and presumably more focused on academics.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
Tim Craig wrote:
A robot mentor I know at another HS approached the administration about supporting his robotics club. When they were told it would cost at least $8000 a year, they said that's less than we spend on the grass on the football field and gave it to him. But that was a private school and presumably more focused on academics.
Something like this[^] might get you two birds with one stone
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Maxxx_ wrote:
I've got one - and I wish I had teh TIME to do that!
Any idea how its done? Is it just a matter of cutting at different heights? Can it be done with a 2 stroke victa?
There's nothing clever about it at all- it's just a case of the mower having rollers which bend the grass as they roll it - so they mow back and forth 'horizontally' then again 'vertically'. the 'light' coloured grass is that bending away from your viewpoint, as it forms a more continuous surface (relatively speaking) than that bending toward you, which is a mass of gaps and shaded hollows. Thats why, in the pic, the 'horizontal' stripes are less obvious - the grass is bending parallell with our viewpoint, and hence the difference between left and right bent blades is less than those bent toward or away from us. You can do it with a 2 stroke victa if it has a roller (in fact it sort of works without one, only with horizontally-rotating blades the effect is much less pronounced, as the blades do tend to swirl rather than lie flat. You can do it with just a roller - no mower required - or even by dragging a board behind your mower (I recommend you have a ride on-for this!) With a bit of practice... You can do this[^] or even this![^]
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There's nothing clever about it at all- it's just a case of the mower having rollers which bend the grass as they roll it - so they mow back and forth 'horizontally' then again 'vertically'. the 'light' coloured grass is that bending away from your viewpoint, as it forms a more continuous surface (relatively speaking) than that bending toward you, which is a mass of gaps and shaded hollows. Thats why, in the pic, the 'horizontal' stripes are less obvious - the grass is bending parallell with our viewpoint, and hence the difference between left and right bent blades is less than those bent toward or away from us. You can do it with a 2 stroke victa if it has a roller (in fact it sort of works without one, only with horizontally-rotating blades the effect is much less pronounced, as the blades do tend to swirl rather than lie flat. You can do it with just a roller - no mower required - or even by dragging a board behind your mower (I recommend you have a ride on-for this!) With a bit of practice... You can do this[^] or even this![^]
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether.
And replaced with your own politics curriculum?
Josh Gray wrote:
And replaced with your own politics curriculum?
Stan thinks public education should be done away with. Obviously, capitalism will provide whatever education is necessary and make a hell of a profit while they're at it. :laugh:
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether. They became incorporated into it as part of the progressive movement of the late 19th and early 20th century as a way for government to control athletic and artistic processes. Before that, there was far more sports, music and art in our society than there is now - it just wasn't controlled by the government, but by individuals and private clubs and organizations.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I think all sports, music and art programs should be removed from public education altogether. They became incorporated into it as part of the progressive movement of the late 19th and early 20th century as a way for government to control athletic and artistic processes. Before that, there was far more sports, music and art in our society than there is now - it just wasn't controlled by the government, but by individuals and private clubs and organizations.
Uhhh...what? You think that there are no sports, music and arts groups/clubs/organisations that aren't controlled by the government? Seriously? Believe it or not, when I did music the teacher taught us music (tried to at least) rather than politics. You think that the Left is trying to suppress independent thought by making kids exercise? Are fat people more Conservative?