So, whats up with Obama's anti-Brit attitude?

Lost User

If you were to ask John Carson or Zep they will confirm that the current economic fortunes besetting the world, not just the United States, were in the making well before Obama decided to run for POTUS. The United States may well have taken a leftward step but is nowhere close to being transformed into an essentially socialist country like France or Britain. As and when conditions are right, those markets will improve. Capitalism still rules in France or Britain as it will continue to do so in the United States of America.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

Please show me a citation that proves that black liberation theology says that we should dis the P.M. of the UK.

I don't have to. The Obama's are long time parishioners of one of the leading black liberation theology churches in the country. It is their job to prove that they are not going to weave those principles into their public attitudes. They need to be extra cautious about anything that might be interpreted in that fashion. So far, they are not. Criticizing them for that is at least as legitimate as any criticism Bush got. And I intend to be doing a lot of it without providing any proof of any kind aside from my growing antipathy towards non-wasps (which is odd considering that I'm probably no more anglo-saxon than Obama is)

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Clearly propadanda.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Lost User

I thought that around a year ago that Obama left that particular church due to a falling out with the Reverend over remarks/sermons made. However, irrespective if that is true or not is not relevant to me or my interests and consequently, it is really none of my concern. Yet, if Obama has and pursues an anti-Brit attitude, then so be it. It may be his inexperience shining through, but what if it is not? But it is a strange way to influence people and make friends. Unless, as commented to Jon Oakman, Obama has another agenda that lies outside of the US/UK traditional friendship.

Stan Shannon

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

But it is a strange way to influence people and make friends. Unless, as commented to Jon Oakman, Obama has another agenda that lies outside of the US/UK traditional friendship.

There is absolutely nothing mysterious about the guy. He is not a mainstream political figure. As his background demands, he is a radical leftist. He is the real deal. His agenda is to recreate the United States. He is openly saying so. That is what he intends to do. Separating us from our traditional associations, the U.K., Israel for examople, is an important part of doing that.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Mike Gaskey

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

The United States may well have taken a leftward step

may? step? how about, "has" and "gigantic leap".

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

they will confirm that the current economic fortunes besetting the world

I hang on their every word. but I'll repeat, look at what the markets have done since November when the savior came down from on high. markets are a predicter of the future, not a reflection on the past.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

John Carson

Stan Shannon wrote:

There is absolutely nothing mysterious about the guy. He is not a mainstream political figure. As his background demands, he is a radical leftist. He is the real deal. His agenda is to recreate the United States. He is openly saying so. That is what he intends to do. Separating us from our traditional associations, the U.K., Israel for example, is an important part of doing that.

Britain is already well to the left of anything Obama is proposing economically. For example, they don't just have single payer government health insurance. Most doctors are actually government employees. Israel's health system is closer to what Obama is proposing: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1998/7/National%20Health%20Insurance[^]

John Carson

John Carson

Mike Gaskey wrote:

I hang on their every word. but I'll repeat, look at what the markets have done since November when the savior came down from on high. markets are a predicter of the future, not a reflection on the past.

And a pretty poor predictor at that. As recently as April last year, share prices were at roughly twice their current level. The stock market didn't exactly see what was coming. The financial crisis is associated with people suddenly realising that assets have much less value than they thought they had because the assets are backed by borrowings that aren't going to be repaid. Years went by without the market figuring this out. (You can argue all you want about how the loans came to be made in the first place, but the fact remains that, once made, the market priced them incorrectly.) The economy is in a downward spiral that started about a year ago. More than 2 million jobs were lost from Nov 2007 to Nov 2008. The decline in the stock market is partly a belated rationality and partly just the same unreliable speculation that always drives the stock market.

John Carson

Stan Shannon

John Carson wrote:

Britain is already well to the left of anything Obama is proposing economically. For example, they don't just have single payer government health insurance. Most doctors are actually government employees. Israel's health system is closer to what Obama is proposing:

Oh, I'm sure he will get along with them on that score. But that has more to do with the international marxist brotherhood he is trying to align the US with than it does with anything about traditional alliances.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

And I intend to be doing a lot of it without providing any proof of any kind aside from my growing antipathy towards non-wasps (which is odd considering that I'm probably no more anglo-saxon than Obama is)

So I take it that chinks, wops, spicks, dagos, polacks, kikes, niggers, etc. aren't welcome in that Jeffersonian Paradise of yours?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

So I take it that chinks, wops, spicks, dagos, polacks, kikes, niggers, etc. aren't welcome in that Jeffersonian Paradise of yours?

You left out square heads. But no, not until they can prove they are capable of comprehending the concept. Aren't wops and dagos the same thing?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Lost User

Spanish (Diego) in UK.

Bob Emmett

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

But no, not until they can prove they are capable of comprehending the concept.

But they all get to participate in the free market whether they understand that concept or not?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

But they all get to participate in the free market whether they understand that concept or not?

I suppose. But to understand the one is to understand the other. BTW, Clarence Thomas, Antony Scalia and Samuel Alito would be welcome. So, I have wops and niggers covered.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

BTW, Clarence Thomas, Antony Scalia and Samuel Alito would be welcome.

But what makes you think they'd let you in?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

But what makes you think they'd let you in?

Well, the big question would probably be how many poor white trash red necks like me would be allowed in. But I'm pretty sure I qualify since I've been part of the political movement taht got them on the court in the first place.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

I'm pretty sure I qualify since I've been part of the political movement taht got them on the court in the first place

You mean the way Himmler let the SA share in the fruits of their labor?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

You mean the way Himmler let the SA share in the fruits of their labor?

Hey, if thats the way you see it, there's not much else I can say. Although, for life of me I'll never understand how the way this country was governed through out most of its hisotry equates to Nazi Germany in your mind. Do you think your grandparents were Nazi's? I'm pretty sure mine weren't.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

Hey, if thats the way you see it, there's not much else I can say

As an example of how latecomers to an organization throw out the original supporters, the history of the Nazi party can't be beat. I copuld have just as easily talked about the Bolsheviks and the Menshevics or Stalin and Beria or the founders of the Confederation known as the United States.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.