So, whats up with Obama's anti-Brit attitude?

Lost User

The United States and the United Kingdom have had a long history dating back to the successful voyage of the Mayflower. Yet, we have had our little difficulties over these nearly 400 years. Because there now exists a first ever non-white inhabitant in the White House, that by itself will be a chapter in the history books together with whatever he accomplishes during his tenure. There have indeed been times when the relationship between our two countries have been strained. Not just the American War of Independence but other times when strife was being conducted on the world scene, and, to some extent, during the American Civil War where British neutrality was certainly tested. I have no doubt that the United States and the United Kingdom will continue to be friends but whether this friendship will be as close in the future as it was during, for instance, the Reagan/Thatcher era remains to be seen. Where I commented about old alliances and new friends. Just because our two countries have enjoyed a certain friendship does not mean that that friendship under Obama Presidency will remain at the fore. It is possible that some new friendship could usurp what exists. And yes, I have said similar to my daughters when they moved from school to school. Maturity comes from life experiences. Obama has only held his position a few weeks and is in a learning mode of sorts. So, give him time. The EU isn't just France and Germany. They are important players and yes, there are presently some strain with the newer former Soviet block countries, but that will be resolved sooner or later in some satisfactory way. But as these nations use a common currency - the Euro - they are that much more federated than they might accept. And because of the economic power shared by EU partners, they are a match in many respects for American economic power. Thus my observation that perhaps the first delegation to Obama's Administration should come from the EU rather than UK. But I understand your view that troubles could be ahead.

Lost User

Is it necessarily anti-Brit, could it be because: 1. It is an ugly lump of bronze? 2. Or, Epstein was Jewish, Churchill was pro-Zionist, and B. Hussein Obama is an Islamist? 3. Or, we wanted it back before all the valuables in the White House were pawned for the 10th AIG bailout?

Bob Emmett

Oakman

Bob Emmett wrote:

Or, we wanted it back before all the valuables in the White House were pawned for the 10th AIG bailout?

ROFL :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Mike Gaskey

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

Obama has only held his position a few weeks and is in a learning mode of sorts. So, give him time.

BO(ZO) is a fool, the markets have already made a judgement.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Lost User

Mike Gaskey wrote:

BO(ZO) is a fool

Perhaps. Perhaps not. It is still early days.

Mike Gaskey wrote:

the markets have already made a judgement

And how many times have they been wrong compared to how many times they were right. But, how many times does fear, howsoever founded or unfounded, conjecture, and even loud startling noises because somebody slammed the door too hard, have caused a jittery market to make an ill-judgement.

wolfbinary

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

It is still early days.

How long will it take for you to think it's past?

Lost User

Were you expecting miracles? I wasn't. But, you could ask me again in, say, 6 months time, and I may be able to give you an interim response worthy of consideration.

Mike Gaskey

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

how many times does fear, howsoever founded or unfounded, conjecture, and even loud startling noises because somebody slammed the door too hard, have caused a jittery market to make an ill-judgement.

and how many time has that poor judgement lasted 3 months? check out the 3 month slide, ever since it became apparent that the Fool was hell bent on turning the US of A into a socialist heaven. the markets were right 3 months ago and continue to hold the same opinion.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Lost User

If you were to ask John Carson or Zep they will confirm that the current economic fortunes besetting the world, not just the United States, were in the making well before Obama decided to run for POTUS. The United States may well have taken a leftward step but is nowhere close to being transformed into an essentially socialist country like France or Britain. As and when conditions are right, those markets will improve. Capitalism still rules in France or Britain as it will continue to do so in the United States of America.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

Please show me a citation that proves that black liberation theology says that we should dis the P.M. of the UK.

I don't have to. The Obama's are long time parishioners of one of the leading black liberation theology churches in the country. It is their job to prove that they are not going to weave those principles into their public attitudes. They need to be extra cautious about anything that might be interpreted in that fashion. So far, they are not. Criticizing them for that is at least as legitimate as any criticism Bush got. And I intend to be doing a lot of it without providing any proof of any kind aside from my growing antipathy towards non-wasps (which is odd considering that I'm probably no more anglo-saxon than Obama is)

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Clearly propadanda.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Lost User

I thought that around a year ago that Obama left that particular church due to a falling out with the Reverend over remarks/sermons made. However, irrespective if that is true or not is not relevant to me or my interests and consequently, it is really none of my concern. Yet, if Obama has and pursues an anti-Brit attitude, then so be it. It may be his inexperience shining through, but what if it is not? But it is a strange way to influence people and make friends. Unless, as commented to Jon Oakman, Obama has another agenda that lies outside of the US/UK traditional friendship.

Stan Shannon

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

But it is a strange way to influence people and make friends. Unless, as commented to Jon Oakman, Obama has another agenda that lies outside of the US/UK traditional friendship.

There is absolutely nothing mysterious about the guy. He is not a mainstream political figure. As his background demands, he is a radical leftist. He is the real deal. His agenda is to recreate the United States. He is openly saying so. That is what he intends to do. Separating us from our traditional associations, the U.K., Israel for examople, is an important part of doing that.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Mike Gaskey

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

The United States may well have taken a leftward step

may? step? how about, "has" and "gigantic leap".

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

they will confirm that the current economic fortunes besetting the world

I hang on their every word. but I'll repeat, look at what the markets have done since November when the savior came down from on high. markets are a predicter of the future, not a reflection on the past.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

John Carson

Stan Shannon wrote:

There is absolutely nothing mysterious about the guy. He is not a mainstream political figure. As his background demands, he is a radical leftist. He is the real deal. His agenda is to recreate the United States. He is openly saying so. That is what he intends to do. Separating us from our traditional associations, the U.K., Israel for example, is an important part of doing that.

Britain is already well to the left of anything Obama is proposing economically. For example, they don't just have single payer government health insurance. Most doctors are actually government employees. Israel's health system is closer to what Obama is proposing: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1998/7/National%20Health%20Insurance[^]

John Carson

John Carson

Mike Gaskey wrote:

I hang on their every word. but I'll repeat, look at what the markets have done since November when the savior came down from on high. markets are a predicter of the future, not a reflection on the past.

And a pretty poor predictor at that. As recently as April last year, share prices were at roughly twice their current level. The stock market didn't exactly see what was coming. The financial crisis is associated with people suddenly realising that assets have much less value than they thought they had because the assets are backed by borrowings that aren't going to be repaid. Years went by without the market figuring this out. (You can argue all you want about how the loans came to be made in the first place, but the fact remains that, once made, the market priced them incorrectly.) The economy is in a downward spiral that started about a year ago. More than 2 million jobs were lost from Nov 2007 to Nov 2008. The decline in the stock market is partly a belated rationality and partly just the same unreliable speculation that always drives the stock market.

John Carson

Stan Shannon

John Carson wrote:

Britain is already well to the left of anything Obama is proposing economically. For example, they don't just have single payer government health insurance. Most doctors are actually government employees. Israel's health system is closer to what Obama is proposing:

Oh, I'm sure he will get along with them on that score. But that has more to do with the international marxist brotherhood he is trying to align the US with than it does with anything about traditional alliances.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

And I intend to be doing a lot of it without providing any proof of any kind aside from my growing antipathy towards non-wasps (which is odd considering that I'm probably no more anglo-saxon than Obama is)

So I take it that chinks, wops, spicks, dagos, polacks, kikes, niggers, etc. aren't welcome in that Jeffersonian Paradise of yours?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

So I take it that chinks, wops, spicks, dagos, polacks, kikes, niggers, etc. aren't welcome in that Jeffersonian Paradise of yours?

You left out square heads. But no, not until they can prove they are capable of comprehending the concept. Aren't wops and dagos the same thing?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Lost User

Spanish (Diego) in UK.

Bob Emmett