A day straight out of hell so far
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I didn't want to seem rude. Besides, if my wife were to see me post that, my head would be on a spike :suss:
Hey wait a minute, you calling me rude?!?!?!?! :laugh:
Wout
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At your service maestro. :cool:
Wout
Cheers :beer:
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Ah, no, that was not what was explained to me. You can apply for one and you can certainly go to the UK and look for a job and even get a job, but you will not be a permanent resident until two years later.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
but you will not be a permanent resident until two years later
I'd imagine most countries' immigration laws are like that: you have to spend some time before you become a PR/citizen. Well, actually, yeah, with an HSMP, you'd have to show proof of income X GBP per year, and so on. If you fail to meet the requirements, even months or years later, you are likely to be sent back.
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
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Quebec, especially Montreal, is brilliant. North Quebec, essentially empty.
Quebec is called the La Belle Province, isn't it? But I heard it's very difficult to live there if you don't know French. Our friend Zep said he (almost?) got thrown out of an apartment for speaking in English. :wtf: I could be totally wrong, of course. I have some distant relatives in Montreal. Last I heard, my granduncle was teaching at McGill.
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
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Having lived in Canada and having half of my family there, I consider Canada (Edmonton to be quite precise) my home and I would simply love to go back there. I could go on for hours on how beautiful my countries are (I'm weird that way :) ) I'd prefer Canada to any other nation, but my father has settled in Jordan and because of his state of health, I'd much rather somewhere a bit closer. It might be all in my head, I mean, its a flight trip either way. Also, its a candidate because my wife's family which is in abundance in Birmingham and Scotland, not to mention all the friends I made here :) Also, I have my own family to think about now, not to mention keeping my sharp edge when it comes to tech. Jordan is a great place to start but certainly not to grow and that's simply because the market is terribly small. Ultimately, what I'm looking for is a place where:
- A place that offers me a good environment to raise my child (and possible future children)
- A place that offers me a good wage or good returns on investment so that I can support my family
- A place that will let me live with the intellectual freedom that I seek off of the internet
- A place where I can with my own two hands build something or take part in building something that will mean something to the world
Sadly, there's too much external pressure and too much internal in-fighting compounded by greed in the Middle East for that to happen. My primary candidates are Canada, USA, UK, Australia. I can speak French (it used to be more fluent) and I'd happily learn another language (besides Ostreylien if I go to Oz ;))
Trollslayer wrote:
By the way, one of my nieces could always wrap her parents around her little finger. I wonder if your sone has been on a distance learning course with her? Laugh
I'm certain! I could be his personal genie :-D But I'll tell you that I love it :) His smile is worth the world to me :)
About your father's health, I suppose a plane ride from Canada isn't much worse than a plane ride from England. And Australia, I imagine, is pretty much as far as Canada is from Jordan.
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
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Quebec is called the La Belle Province, isn't it? But I heard it's very difficult to live there if you don't know French. Our friend Zep said he (almost?) got thrown out of an apartment for speaking in English. :wtf: I could be totally wrong, of course. I have some distant relatives in Montreal. Last I heard, my granduncle was teaching at McGill.
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
But I heard it's very difficult to live there if you don't know French.
In my experience, that's quite true. When Smitha and I visited, we got lost and stopped at a gas station to get directions. No one there spoke English - so eventually we used gestures to explain we were lost and pointed to a brochure with a pic of old-town Quebec that we had, and then they gave us detailed left-right-straight directions. At restaurants, they did speak English pretty well though - so we didn't have much of a problem.
Regards, Nish
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Hey wait a minute, you calling me rude?!?!?!?! :laugh:
Wout
:laugh: I'm not answering that one, but in a previous life time, I would have been the first one to have said what you have said! :-D
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ummmm i'm english too fyi ... and the yUK that exists today has no relationship to the country i grew up in ... so yah ... i would say have a nice time in that crap hell hole of a country
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
Depends where you live in the UK really. Please don't judge everywhere here by the likes of London, Milton Keynes and Basingstoke! FWIW we have a chilled an fun time here in Bournemouth..and we're far enough away from whatever flavour of idiots are in Government that we can laugh at them from a safe distance. :)
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l a u r e n wrote:
what exactly was well said about it?
Elaine wrote:
F*** you.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopeswow! shouldn't you be running back to the soapbox about now so you can empty out that charming mouth of yours? X|
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l a u r e n wrote:
so if i was a guest in zimbabwe i should be praising that despot too should i?
Don't be daft. From my experiences in Zimbabwe the people there are some of the friendliest on the planet. I wouldn't go there these days because of the political situation, but I still have fond memories of the hospitality I received there.
l a u r e n wrote:
criticizing a country for flagrant abuses against humanity is the duty of all citizens of the world imho
Then in your opinion England is practicing "flagrant abuses against humanity"? I hadn't realized how far off the deep end you were.
l a u r e n wrote:
and instead of being patriotic about one piece of rock why not try being the same way about the whole planet and all who live on it?
You don't have to be, but it is Elaine's prerogative if she chooses.
l a u r e n wrote:
and where do you get off attacking me personally for an opinion about a country?
Don't get your panties in a bunch. I was commenting about something you wrote to me about your being tired of the US and the people there and couldn’t wait to leave. I thought it was hypocritical of you to carp about a place that gave you a work opportunity, but then you were leaving soon so good riddens.
l a u r e n wrote:
look to your own before mouthing off about someone else in future
Piss off!
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesgod what a complete loser you are! X|
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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Isn't your wife British? I know next to nowt about emigrating in to the UK, but I'd have thought that would count for something.
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
Not any more; unfortunately too many people were abusing that privilege so they changed the rules.
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I've been to the US and it varies so much from one place to another, I don't think many Europeans realise that since most of what we see is on a film set. Oddly enough, I find german culture is much closer to british and with the new project we are working with a german partner company. The only down side is their humour can be dafter than ours :doh: Like anywhere else (inlcuding the UK), there are good and bad points.
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Trollslayer wrote:
I find german culture is much closer to british and with the new project we are working with a german partner company. The only down side is their humour can be dafter than ours
I've just started learning German. It sounds like I'm going to love it.
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SA can definitely offer you the last three, and I think the first one, but many people here emigrate because they don't think a country taken over by Blacks and with a very high crime rate is a good place to raise a child.
Brady Kelly wrote:
don't think a country ... with a very high crime rate is a good place to raise a child
Ya' think? Or how do you say, "Is it".
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Brady Kelly wrote:
don't think a country ... with a very high crime rate is a good place to raise a child
Ya' think? Or how do you say, "Is it".
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesThe people I know that have children, my sister included, nearly all feel comfortable raising them here, china!
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ummmm i'm english too fyi ... and the yUK that exists today has no relationship to the country i grew up in ... so yah ... i would say have a nice time in that crap hell hole of a country
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
l a u r e n wrote:
ummmm i'm english too fyi ... and the yUK that exists today has no relationship to the country i grew up in
They why didn't you stay and try and sort it out. It really irks me that so many ex-pats (and I'm talking about the whole of the UK) bleat on about how awful the UK is and how much better their life has become since leaving, etc. etc. etc. Then they turn round and criticise people who remained for causing the problem. Why not stay and sort it out if it upset you so much? If you do leave shut-the-hell-up! I'm doing my best to make things better for my fellows. I run a user group because it is one thing that I can do to make things better. I ensure that my fellows improve their knowledge and abilities. Other people try to make things better by doing things they can. What are you doing to help make the UK a better place? Absolutely NADA as far as I can see. You are just standing on the side lines bleating like an impotent sheep. Now, I've done my share of travelling and working in other countries and they all have their pros and cons. I don't actually see that any one is better or worse than any other on the whole.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
But I heard it's very difficult to live there if you don't know French.
In my experience, that's quite true. When Smitha and I visited, we got lost and stopped at a gas station to get directions. No one there spoke English - so eventually we used gestures to explain we were lost and pointed to a brochure with a pic of old-town Quebec that we had, and then they gave us detailed left-right-straight directions. At restaurants, they did speak English pretty well though - so we didn't have much of a problem.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkI once went to Montreal for a business trip and asked the taxi driver that was taking us from the airport to our hotel a question in English. He just ignored me and my traveling companion remarked that he may only speak French. I said that it was a good thing we found that out because it would be an insult to try to tip a French speaking taxi driver because they would be insulted that you thought that they required more than the satisfaction of a job well done. I elaborated that it was quite different with the English speaking taxi drivers and that they expected a tip. Then a miracle happened. The driver answered my question in English, albeit with a French accent, and actually became quite chatty telling us about all the things we could do in the city to make out stay more enjoyable. :laugh:
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That and I jaywalk.
Is jaywalking illegal in Australia?! Must remember that when I visit next year.
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I once went to Montreal for a business trip and asked the taxi driver that was taking us from the airport to our hotel a question in English. He just ignored me and my traveling companion remarked that he may only speak French. I said that it was a good thing we found that out because it would be an insult to try to tip a French speaking taxi driver because they would be insulted that you thought that they required more than the satisfaction of a job well done. I elaborated that it was quite different with the English speaking taxi drivers and that they expected a tip. Then a miracle happened. The driver answered my question in English, albeit with a French accent, and actually became quite chatty telling us about all the things we could do in the city to make out stay more enjoyable. :laugh:
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
I said that it was a good thing we found that out because it would be an insult to try to tip a French speaking taxi driver
Must remember that one!
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l a u r e n wrote:
ummmm i'm english too fyi ... and the yUK that exists today has no relationship to the country i grew up in
They why didn't you stay and try and sort it out. It really irks me that so many ex-pats (and I'm talking about the whole of the UK) bleat on about how awful the UK is and how much better their life has become since leaving, etc. etc. etc. Then they turn round and criticise people who remained for causing the problem. Why not stay and sort it out if it upset you so much? If you do leave shut-the-hell-up! I'm doing my best to make things better for my fellows. I run a user group because it is one thing that I can do to make things better. I ensure that my fellows improve their knowledge and abilities. Other people try to make things better by doing things they can. What are you doing to help make the UK a better place? Absolutely NADA as far as I can see. You are just standing on the side lines bleating like an impotent sheep. Now, I've done my share of travelling and working in other countries and they all have their pros and cons. I don't actually see that any one is better or worse than any other on the whole.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
What are you doing to help make the UK a better place?
She left. That's the best thing she could have done! :laugh:
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Trollslayer wrote:
I find german culture is much closer to british and with the new project we are working with a german partner company. The only down side is their humour can be dafter than ours
I've just started learning German. It sounds like I'm going to love it.
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Mine was shop/taxi/resteraunt and a bit more. One thing which helped me a lot was to listen to how people talked and pick up the accent, that took 1-2 months. It was easier for me than some with being a Geordie, the intonations aren't that different.
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