Really a sad thing...
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So Chris, when you go on your biking trips, what do your computers do? Hamsters get to play games? :-D
He takes time off? :omg: Wow. What a slacker.
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code-frog wrote:
people really need to step back a bit and relax.
That's for sure. When I see that someone can't stand an "offense" against their Country I always think about Italy. We Italians are good at pointing fingers at others but when it comes to looking at ourselves we just shut our eyes and pretend we're fine. No, we're not fine, we're screwed. We're *all* screwed right now, but we'll come out this situation. I'm sure. Funny thing is, I know this woman, she (biologist) and her husband (architect) live in London, and he was fired before Christmas and she's pregnant and her job contract won't probably be renewed in a couple months. Oh, and they have a mortgage to pay. Well, actually two (one here in Italy and one in London). Anyway, I'm pretty sure that this could have happened in any other Country, including the US. It's true that "from the outside" it's hard to see what is really happening in a Country, the media filter the news and events for us so we only get some limited grasp of the situation. Here are my two cents: 1. when someone criticizes your Country, think about what he's saying because it is probably true (especially when he's talking about Berlusconi) 2. don't move to a foreign Country and then look for a job, but find a job first, then move - regardless of the immigration regulation 3. don't buy two houses if you can hardly pay for one.
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It doesn't make it right but who threw the first stone? Quit acting like some neutral judge. It's all done in a spirit of self-absorbed one-upsmanship. The things people will do over the internet that they would *NEVER*, *NOT* *EVER* do in person. That's a different definition for cowardice. At least for Lauren's sake I believe the person we see here is the person we would say in person. I bet this isn't true for most of her assailants. Notice I didn't say "I know" I said "I bet" but anyway it's schoolyard brawl garbage. At least Lauren is keeping it real. None of us is a single bit surprised by her in this, that's real. Many of us are surprised by the deeds of the other participants that's ... interesting. Defend the U.K. unto your dying death. Turn around and totally dismember the U.S. and those of us who are American's know we cannot say a thing about it. Why? We'd get slaughtered. Nevermind more American blood has been shed in defense of foreign soil than all the other countries combine but hey... go ahead... kick dirt in our faces until some militant has your country in a death grip. Then sigh in relief when our special operations forces, ground troops and supporting units descend with fury on your assailants to defend your freedom. It all stinks of hypocrisy but not Lauren. At least Lauren is being who she has always been and that... that's honest. A quality I'd rather have 1000 times over any of the other traits I've witnessed here. Anyway, I happened to reply because I'm emailing my mom about something. Now I'm back to my kids, in America the land of the *FREE* and the home of many who have probably died on your soil to protect your right to have a home... or if you prefer... THE BRAVE. That's all. Just another arrogant American sighing off. Enjoy.:rose:
code-frog wrote:
It doesn't make it right but who threw the first stone?
**lauren**code-frog wrote:
Quit acting like some neutral judge.
I am not acting like some neutral judge. I responded to Elaine saying not to confuse
**lauren**as one of US. When**lauren**was in the US she was carping about how she was so tired of the US and the American people, and how she couldn’t wait to get out of here. That is why I didn’t want Elaine to think**lauren**was an American.code-frog wrote:
The things people will do over the internet that they would *NEVER*, *NOT* *EVER* do in person. That's a different definition for cowardice.
I'll tell you this to your face.
code-frog wrote:
At least for Lauren's sake I believe the person we see here is the person we would say in person.
Bad manners are as offensive on the internet as they are in person.
code-frog wrote:
Many of us are surprised by the deeds of the other participants that's ... interesting.
They're not deeds. People got offended and told her so. That's real.
code-frog wrote:
Defend the U.K. unto your dying death.
If you are from the UK and feel that way then why not.
code-frog wrote:
Turn around and totally dismember the U.S. and those of us who are American's know we cannot say a thing about it. Why? We'd get slaughtered.
I never have a difficult time telling people off who slag the US. Maybe you should start speaking up if you are offended.
code-frog wrote:
Nevermind more American blood has been shed in defense of foreign soil than all the other countries combine but hey... go ahead... kick dirt in our faces until some militant has your country in a death grip. Then sigh in relief when our special operations forces, ground troops and supporting units descend with fury on your assailants to defend your freedom.
Wow! Have you ever fought in a war? It doesn't sound like it. I respect your right to an opinion differing from mine but stop trying to be a lounge referee. We are certainly capa
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I feel that Lauren's remarks about the U.K. are fair because I see people slamming the U.S. constantly. I just laugh. Now I see very personal and aggressive attacks against her from people I respect and I'm thinking to myself... people really need to step back a bit and relax. If people are allowed to call me a scammer and "were entitled to their opinion" then Lauren should have the freedom to speak freely. I've not seen anyone bother to ask her why she's feels the way she does. I've not seen anyone try to show an ounce of respect to someone they've gotten along with here for months. Come on people. Shut the computer off and take a walk. The personal attacks on her are wrong. Dead wrong. I don't care who you are. We all speak so candy-@$$ about respecting others opinons and we do until they disagree with ours. I'm reading the thread below and I sum it up to one thing... HYPOCRISY. Come on people I see many of you acting out in a way that is not part of your normal character. Is this really what you want? I'm making this post and then I'm leaving the computer for the rest of the day to hang out with my family. When I check back I'm hoping that people will have done the right thing when I get back. Sadly I'm way more inclined to believe that things will have either gotten worse or not improved at all. It's an expressed opinion and if you eat your own dog food then recall all the times you've defended someone else's right to have an opinion. Even as I say this I know all the justifying and low votes I'll get and truly it's just a sad thing. Take care people. Wage your wars, so sure you are right. Sad times for sure.
code-frog wrote:
I feel that Lauren's remarks about the U.K. are fair because I see people slamming the U.S. constantly. I just laugh. Now I see very personal and aggressive attacks against her from people I respect and I'm thinking to myself... people really need to step back a bit and relax.
++Agreed.
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It doesn't make it right but who threw the first stone? Quit acting like some neutral judge. It's all done in a spirit of self-absorbed one-upsmanship. The things people will do over the internet that they would *NEVER*, *NOT* *EVER* do in person. That's a different definition for cowardice. At least for Lauren's sake I believe the person we see here is the person we would say in person. I bet this isn't true for most of her assailants. Notice I didn't say "I know" I said "I bet" but anyway it's schoolyard brawl garbage. At least Lauren is keeping it real. None of us is a single bit surprised by her in this, that's real. Many of us are surprised by the deeds of the other participants that's ... interesting. Defend the U.K. unto your dying death. Turn around and totally dismember the U.S. and those of us who are American's know we cannot say a thing about it. Why? We'd get slaughtered. Nevermind more American blood has been shed in defense of foreign soil than all the other countries combine but hey... go ahead... kick dirt in our faces until some militant has your country in a death grip. Then sigh in relief when our special operations forces, ground troops and supporting units descend with fury on your assailants to defend your freedom. It all stinks of hypocrisy but not Lauren. At least Lauren is being who she has always been and that... that's honest. A quality I'd rather have 1000 times over any of the other traits I've witnessed here. Anyway, I happened to reply because I'm emailing my mom about something. Now I'm back to my kids, in America the land of the *FREE* and the home of many who have probably died on your soil to protect your right to have a home... or if you prefer... THE BRAVE. That's all. Just another arrogant American sighing off. Enjoy.:rose:
Don't you think you might be being just a touch "holier than though"?
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code-frog wrote:
I feel that Lauren's remarks about the U.K. are fair because I see people slamming the U.S. constantly. I just laugh. Now I see very personal and aggressive attacks against her from people I respect and I'm thinking to myself... people really need to step back a bit and relax.
++Agreed.
Shog9 wrote:
code-frog wrote:I feel that Lauren's remarks about the U.K. are fair because I see people slamming the U.S. constantly. I just laugh. Now I see very personal and aggressive attacks against her from people I respect and I'm thinking to myself... people really need to step back a bit and relax. ++Agreed.
Subtle as usual Shog9 :-D
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Don't you think you might be being just a touch "holier than though"?
Rob Graham wrote:
Don't you think you might be being just a touch "holier than though"?
Just a touch. :-D
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I feel that Lauren's remarks about the U.K. are fair because I see people slamming the U.S. constantly. I just laugh. Now I see very personal and aggressive attacks against her from people I respect and I'm thinking to myself... people really need to step back a bit and relax. If people are allowed to call me a scammer and "were entitled to their opinion" then Lauren should have the freedom to speak freely. I've not seen anyone bother to ask her why she's feels the way she does. I've not seen anyone try to show an ounce of respect to someone they've gotten along with here for months. Come on people. Shut the computer off and take a walk. The personal attacks on her are wrong. Dead wrong. I don't care who you are. We all speak so candy-@$$ about respecting others opinons and we do until they disagree with ours. I'm reading the thread below and I sum it up to one thing... HYPOCRISY. Come on people I see many of you acting out in a way that is not part of your normal character. Is this really what you want? I'm making this post and then I'm leaving the computer for the rest of the day to hang out with my family. When I check back I'm hoping that people will have done the right thing when I get back. Sadly I'm way more inclined to believe that things will have either gotten worse or not improved at all. It's an expressed opinion and if you eat your own dog food then recall all the times you've defended someone else's right to have an opinion. Even as I say this I know all the justifying and low votes I'll get and truly it's just a sad thing. Take care people. Wage your wars, so sure you are right. Sad times for sure.
code-frog wrote:
I feel that Lauren's remarks about the U.K. are fair because I see people slamming the U.S. constantly
Two wrongs NEVER EVER make a right Rex. Let's everybody take a step back and breathe - these things have a way of escalating and it certainly looks like it's going this way now.
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Don't you think you might be being just a touch "holier than though"?
Okay.
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code-frog wrote:
I feel that Lauren's remarks about the U.K. are fair because I see people slamming the U.S. constantly
Two wrongs NEVER EVER make a right Rex. Let's everybody take a step back and breathe - these things have a way of escalating and it certainly looks like it's going this way now.
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As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
I don't know I've done anything wrong. I'm not advocating one or the other. But it's funny, you try to calm people down and they get indignant. Oh well. That's fine. Todays events have been nothing if they haven't been humorous. I'm laughing to be sure...
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I don't know I've done anything wrong. I'm not advocating one or the other. But it's funny, you try to calm people down and they get indignant. Oh well. That's fine. Todays events have been nothing if they haven't been humorous. I'm laughing to be sure...
Errm - I was actually agreeing with you. Maybe that didn't come across. In my younger days, I lived and worked in many countries (including the US), and the thing that becomes apparent quickly is that there are good and bad things about every country and that stereotypical attacks are just another form of bigotry.
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As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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It doesn't make it right but who threw the first stone? Quit acting like some neutral judge. It's all done in a spirit of self-absorbed one-upsmanship. The things people will do over the internet that they would *NEVER*, *NOT* *EVER* do in person. That's a different definition for cowardice. At least for Lauren's sake I believe the person we see here is the person we would say in person. I bet this isn't true for most of her assailants. Notice I didn't say "I know" I said "I bet" but anyway it's schoolyard brawl garbage. At least Lauren is keeping it real. None of us is a single bit surprised by her in this, that's real. Many of us are surprised by the deeds of the other participants that's ... interesting. Defend the U.K. unto your dying death. Turn around and totally dismember the U.S. and those of us who are American's know we cannot say a thing about it. Why? We'd get slaughtered. Nevermind more American blood has been shed in defense of foreign soil than all the other countries combine but hey... go ahead... kick dirt in our faces until some militant has your country in a death grip. Then sigh in relief when our special operations forces, ground troops and supporting units descend with fury on your assailants to defend your freedom. It all stinks of hypocrisy but not Lauren. At least Lauren is being who she has always been and that... that's honest. A quality I'd rather have 1000 times over any of the other traits I've witnessed here. Anyway, I happened to reply because I'm emailing my mom about something. Now I'm back to my kids, in America the land of the *FREE* and the home of many who have probably died on your soil to protect your right to have a home... or if you prefer... THE BRAVE. That's all. Just another arrogant American sighing off. Enjoy.:rose:
code-frog wrote:
Defend the U.K. unto your dying death.
I criticise the UK almost constantly. However, I still choose to live here. I can see that the initial comment about it being some sort of mental issue for anyone choosing to live in the UK as offensive. Sure, slag off the government, the health service, the education, the roads, the rail, the foreign policy, the monetary policy, and so on. But suggesting that I'm some sort of mentally incapable person is going a bit far and I can see how it irked some people. I have in the past criticised many other countries but I've never suggested that the people who live there are mentally unstable. I think most people muddle through their lives trying to do a good job and trying to improve things for themselves, their family and their fellows even in the face of a bad situation. I came into the discussion a couple or so hours in and by that point lauren had been extremely offensive to many people. I simply got offended by lauren. I probably shouldn't have risen to the bait, but I did. What is done is done.
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code-frog wrote:
Defend the U.K. unto your dying death.
I criticise the UK almost constantly. However, I still choose to live here. I can see that the initial comment about it being some sort of mental issue for anyone choosing to live in the UK as offensive. Sure, slag off the government, the health service, the education, the roads, the rail, the foreign policy, the monetary policy, and so on. But suggesting that I'm some sort of mentally incapable person is going a bit far and I can see how it irked some people. I have in the past criticised many other countries but I've never suggested that the people who live there are mentally unstable. I think most people muddle through their lives trying to do a good job and trying to improve things for themselves, their family and their fellows even in the face of a bad situation. I came into the discussion a couple or so hours in and by that point lauren had been extremely offensive to many people. I simply got offended by lauren. I probably shouldn't have risen to the bait, but I did. What is done is done.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I simply got offended by lauren.
Not hard to do when
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