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    Rocky Moore
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    My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

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      My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

      Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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      No idea on mechanics, but: * Probably a damaged cable that some times makes a contact could be the cause. * If the car is new, it could be a problem on the electronic controller. (this should be easy to detect plugging the car to the computer on the mechanic's house). * I remember that in the driving school they told me of the parking light. I have never used that (my car doesn't have it) but I believe that if you park and leave the intermittent light on, then the light of that side of the car is on until you remove the intermittent light. This could be also the origin, who knows, it can be working OK and now your mother have changed the way she parks the car (without noticing it) or the controller of that behavior can be broken. * Only one light should not drain completely the battery, probably the battery is not in its best fit now, but this is something you should change/repair after having found the main problem. Once again, I have no idea on mechanics. But I guess that the best bet is to go to see a mechanic... Good luck with that... :rose:

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        My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

        Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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        Henry Minute
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        I have to agree with Joan. Short of an actual 'fault' somewhere in the wiring loom or electronics. Many European cars have the 'feature' that if the turn signal stalk is moved to the left-turn position and the ignition turned off, the left side parking lights will be on. The same obviously applies to the right side. Does your mother do a right turn into the parking space? Joan is also right that one light should not completely drain the battery. This would tend to indicate that either the battery is not in good condition, or that the drain on the battery is from more than just the tail-light. A short circuit somewhere deep in the system which, sort of incidentally, causes the light to come on.

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        • R Rocky Moore

          My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

          Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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          Either a fault in the lamp holder or a frayed wiring harness, if you can run a wire through then cut the old wire at both ends then that will sort the wiring harness. Check the lamp holder first. Basic electrics Rocky.

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          • R Rocky Moore

            My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

            Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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            My guess is that the switch is broken. Is it the brake light coming on or the actual taillight? I'm willing to bet it's the brake light, so replace that switch first.

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            • R Rocky Moore

              My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

              Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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              Hey not sure how these cars work but could it not be a parking light i.e. their right indicator is still on when the car engine is turned off. On some cars this leaves the lights on the right side on. Probably not right but just a suggestion :)

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                My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

                Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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                Rocky Moore wrote:

                Any ideas?

                Parking lights. Look in the owners manual how they get activated.

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                  My guess is that the switch is broken. Is it the brake light coming on or the actual taillight? I'm willing to bet it's the brake light, so replace that switch first.

                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                  Phil J Pearson
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                  If it was the switch then both the brake lights or all the other lights (tail lights, front side lights, etc.) would come on. Ergo, forget the switch (unless the other brake light is dead anyway).

                  Phil


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                  • R Rocky Moore

                    My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

                    Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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                    One of the lug nuts is loose.

                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                      One of the lug nuts is loose.

                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                      Henry Minute
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                      No, only the nut holding the steering wheel. :) [MOD] I, take that back! I've just realized that it's his mother, not Rocky Moore. [/MOD]

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                      • R Rocky Moore

                        My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

                        Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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                        Bassam Abdul Baki
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                        Ask her to roll down the window and then roll it back up. If that doesn't work, tell her it's a feature.

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                          If it was the switch then both the brake lights or all the other lights (tail lights, front side lights, etc.) would come on. Ergo, forget the switch (unless the other brake light is dead anyway).

                          Phil


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                          Brady Kelly
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                          Phil J Pearson wrote:

                          unless the other brake light is dead anyway

                          Anyone who tests software should have this option high on their suspect list when tackling this problem.

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                            Ask her to roll down the window and then roll it back up. If that doesn't work, tell her it's a feature.

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                            Do you work for Microsoft? :)

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                            • R Rocky Moore

                              My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

                              Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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                              I know nothing about cars. Sorry I can't help on this one. :(( But some of the suggestions are hilarious. [Joke] How many software engineers does it take to fix car's light? None, we know nothing about cars [/Joke]

                              Yusuf Oh didn't you notice, analogous to square roots, they recently introduced rectangular, circular, and diamond roots to determine the size of the corresponding shapes when given the area. Luc Pattyn[^]

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                                My mother's Cadillac (early 90's) has a tail or brake light that likes to come on while the car is parked and drains the battery completely overnight. It can go days without happen, then presto, the batter is dead. Found out once when someone called and said the tail light was on and found that just the right side tail light (or brake like don't remember which) would come on for no known reason. Anyone heard of such a thing? The lights all work like normal, but this one light likes to come on at will when the car is off and parked. She cannot really be connecting and disconnecting the battery every time she uses the car, but do not want to take it in and see a huge bill without any results. Any ideas?

                                Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Silverlight Domain Names up for grabs! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com

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                                Hmmmm... It's been a while, but, 1. It's nearly 20 years old, and they didn't have all the electronic, computer-controlled whizbangs in them that make real diagnosis impossible. 2. It's intermittent. 3. It drains the battery overnight, which a single bulb should not do. Ergo: It's in the wiring harness, and probably involves more than one wire. I'd guess that abrasion has worn off the insulation on a couple of wires where the tail light harness makes a sharp bend around a metallic chassis component, but that's only a starting point. Some automotive wiring uses the quaint notion of wiring the hot side (positive) to each device and switching the negative to ground to turn them on. This causes some interesting sneak paths for current when something goes wrong. 1. Start at the brakelight; open it up and make note of the color of each of the wires. Expose the wiring from back to front as you work your way forward to the fuse block and visually inspect the wires for damage, especially where they go around corners or pass through a hinge, such as the trunk lid. Be prepared to spend all day at it, though, as getting to the harness isn't easy. or 2. Connect a time domain reflectometer at the bulb socket and ping each wire separately. Calculate the distance from the socket to the first discontinuity for each wire. Measure the shortest distance of the two and expose the cable at that distance from the socket and repair the damage. Simple... :) It would be great if you could arrange to do the search while the light is on, but Murphy's Law assures that you won't get that lucky. Good luck! :-D

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                                  I know nothing about cars. Sorry I can't help on this one. :(( But some of the suggestions are hilarious. [Joke] How many software engineers does it take to fix car's light? None, we know nothing about cars [/Joke]

                                  Yusuf Oh didn't you notice, analogous to square roots, they recently introduced rectangular, circular, and diamond roots to determine the size of the corresponding shapes when given the area. Luc Pattyn[^]

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                                  That's actually funny! :laugh:

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                                    Rocky Moore wrote:

                                    Any ideas?

                                    Parking lights. Look in the owners manual how they get activated.

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                                    Oh boys. They managed to slip another "read the documentation" in. X|

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                                      Hmmmm... It's been a while, but, 1. It's nearly 20 years old, and they didn't have all the electronic, computer-controlled whizbangs in them that make real diagnosis impossible. 2. It's intermittent. 3. It drains the battery overnight, which a single bulb should not do. Ergo: It's in the wiring harness, and probably involves more than one wire. I'd guess that abrasion has worn off the insulation on a couple of wires where the tail light harness makes a sharp bend around a metallic chassis component, but that's only a starting point. Some automotive wiring uses the quaint notion of wiring the hot side (positive) to each device and switching the negative to ground to turn them on. This causes some interesting sneak paths for current when something goes wrong. 1. Start at the brakelight; open it up and make note of the color of each of the wires. Expose the wiring from back to front as you work your way forward to the fuse block and visually inspect the wires for damage, especially where they go around corners or pass through a hinge, such as the trunk lid. Be prepared to spend all day at it, though, as getting to the harness isn't easy. or 2. Connect a time domain reflectometer at the bulb socket and ping each wire separately. Calculate the distance from the socket to the first discontinuity for each wire. Measure the shortest distance of the two and expose the cable at that distance from the socket and repair the damage. Simple... :) It would be great if you could arrange to do the search while the light is on, but Murphy's Law assures that you won't get that lucky. Good luck! :-D

                                      "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                                      Rocky Moore
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                                      Actually, when I reconnected the battery a couple weeks ago, I thought I would check and found that the brake light was lit on the passenger's side with the car off. I tapped the brake pedal and looked again without starting the car or turning the ignition on and the light went out. I would think the switch would be the most suspect but to me I would think it would enable both of them not just one. It is about time to drive another car under that radiator cap ;)

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                                        That's actually funny! :laugh:

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                                        It is? :confused:

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                                        • P Phil J Pearson

                                          If it was the switch then both the brake lights or all the other lights (tail lights, front side lights, etc.) would come on. Ergo, forget the switch (unless the other brake light is dead anyway).

                                          Phil


                                          The opinions expressed in this post are not necessarily those of the author, especially if you find them impolite, inaccurate or inflammatory.

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                                          Well, the light has to be getting power from *somewhere*, and the only thing between the light and the battery is one of four switches: 0) Emergency Flasher switch - not likely because these are used VERY rarely, so wear/tear shouldn't be an issue. 1) The headlight switch - on or off, and controls all lights, so I wouldn't think this is the problem. 2) The turn signal switch - operates one light at a time, but only in the switched-on position. This would be my second guess. 3) The brake light switch - because it's constantly turned on and off by mechanical means (pressing the brake pedal), and the light seems to come on by itself, it is probably this switch switch due to gravity working on a slightly worn brake pedal assembly. The car is, after all, almost 20 years old. It can't possibly be the wiring between the switches and the light because the light comes on. A wiring problem in the loom would prevent the light from working at all.

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