Does the Pope know what he's talking about?
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AP: Pope tells Muslims that religion rejects violence[^]
YAOUNDE, Cameroon (AP) — Pope Benedict XVI told Muslim leaders on Thursday that true religion rejects violence, and he held up peaceful coexistence between Christianity and Islam in Cameroon as "a beacon to other African nations." ... "Genuine religion ... stands at the base of any authentically human culture," he said. "It rejects all forms of violence and totalitarianism: not only on principles of faith but also of right reason." ...
Assuming he was correctly quoted, is the man stupid? It is *not* true that "Genuine religion ... rejects all forms of violence ..." Genuine religion rejects and battles injustice. Genuine religion rejects ... and battles ... unjust violence. ps: Get ready for the Religionists of Pieces to react to the Pope's implicit condemnation of the "Religion of Peace."
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I know that a lot of people (including myself) didn't think that he knew what he was talking about when earlier this week he said "the distribution of condoms won't "resolve" the AIDS problem but will actually make it worse.". Scott
scottgp wrote:
I know that a lot of people (including myself) didn't think that he knew what he was talking about when earlier this week he said "the distribution of condoms won't "resolve" the AIDS problem but will actually make it worse.".
First off, those African AIDS "statistics" are even more bogus than those for the US. Secondly -- Catholic News Agency: What the Pope really said about AIDS and condoms[^] That CNA link isn't working, suddenly. Here's Kathryn Jean Lopez on NRO with an extract[^]
modified on Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:20 PM
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Ilíon wrote:
Genuine religion rejects ... and battles ... unjust violence.
Looking at history one quickly comes to the conclusion that genuine religion kills over the most minor points of theology, and/or who gets to count the cash after the collection.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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But you're a liar and no one in his right mind would even imagine taking your "looking at history" as anything other than just more of your lying.
As usual you have shown the extent of your wit and intelligence in defense of the unknowable, the unbelievable, and the irrelevant. I always appreciate your answers, and enjoy your brilliant repartee!
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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scottgp wrote:
I know that a lot of people (including myself) didn't think that he knew what he was talking about when earlier this week he said "the distribution of condoms won't "resolve" the AIDS problem but will actually make it worse.".
First off, those African AIDS "statistics" are even more bogus than those for the US. Secondly -- Catholic News Agency: What the Pope really said about AIDS and condoms[^] That CNA link isn't working, suddenly. Here's Kathryn Jean Lopez on NRO with an extract[^]
modified on Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:20 PM
Ilíon wrote:
First off, those African AIDS "statistics" are even more bogus than those for the US.
Wow! I did not know that! :omg: So how much underestimating is going on? Got any citations to back up both of those claims?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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scottgp wrote:
I know that a lot of people (including myself) didn't think that he knew what he was talking about when earlier this week he said "the distribution of condoms won't "resolve" the AIDS problem but will actually make it worse.".
First off, those African AIDS "statistics" are even more bogus than those for the US. Secondly -- Catholic News Agency: What the Pope really said about AIDS and condoms[^] That CNA link isn't working, suddenly. Here's Kathryn Jean Lopez on NRO with an extract[^]
modified on Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:20 PM
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As usual you have shown the extent of your wit and intelligence in defense of the unknowable, the unbelievable, and the irrelevant. I always appreciate your answers, and enjoy your brilliant repartee!
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
I always appreciate your answers, and enjoy your brilliant repartee!
the truth comes out!
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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scottgp wrote:
It does look like something was lost in translation.
Yes, like maybe the essential part of the argument.
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But you're a liar and no one in his right mind would even imagine taking your "looking at history" as anything other than just more of your lying.
You can't be serious. The crusades ? The Spanish Inquisition ( although this was more political and the Catholic Church was not behind or supportive of it especially ) ? That's just the biggies.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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scottgp wrote:
I know that a lot of people (including myself) didn't think that he knew what he was talking about when earlier this week he said "the distribution of condoms won't "resolve" the AIDS problem but will actually make it worse.".
First off, those African AIDS "statistics" are even more bogus than those for the US. Secondly -- Catholic News Agency: What the Pope really said about AIDS and condoms[^] That CNA link isn't working, suddenly. Here's Kathryn Jean Lopez on NRO with an extract[^]
modified on Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:20 PM
Ilíon wrote:
First off, those African AIDS "statistics" are even more bogus than those for the US.
How would you know. Can you prove it ? Or is it just something you tell yourself for fun ?
Ilíon wrote:
Secondly -- Catholic News Agency: What the Pope really said about AIDS and condoms[^]
ROTFL - I'd hate to be the guy who has to clean up after the stuff the pope says.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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AP: Pope tells Muslims that religion rejects violence[^]
YAOUNDE, Cameroon (AP) — Pope Benedict XVI told Muslim leaders on Thursday that true religion rejects violence, and he held up peaceful coexistence between Christianity and Islam in Cameroon as "a beacon to other African nations." ... "Genuine religion ... stands at the base of any authentically human culture," he said. "It rejects all forms of violence and totalitarianism: not only on principles of faith but also of right reason." ...
Assuming he was correctly quoted, is the man stupid? It is *not* true that "Genuine religion ... rejects all forms of violence ..." Genuine religion rejects and battles injustice. Genuine religion rejects ... and battles ... unjust violence. ps: Get ready for the Religionists of Pieces to react to the Pope's implicit condemnation of the "Religion of Peace."
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Ilíon wrote:
First off, those African AIDS "statistics" are even more bogus than those for the US.
Wow! I did not know that! :omg: So how much underestimating is going on? Got any citations to back up both of those claims?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Wow! I did not know that! :omg: So how much underestimating is going on? Got any citations to back up both of those claims?
If you were willing to think for a moment or two, you'd understand that it's true. But you're not, so you won't -- you're not interested in "any citations to back up both of those claims" and we both know this.
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Ilíon wrote:
First off, those African AIDS "statistics" are even more bogus than those for the US.
How would you know. Can you prove it ? Or is it just something you tell yourself for fun ?
Ilíon wrote:
Secondly -- Catholic News Agency: What the Pope really said about AIDS and condoms[^]
ROTFL - I'd hate to be the guy who has to clean up after the stuff the pope says.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
How would you know. Can you prove it ? Or is it just something you tell yourself for fun ?
If you were willing to think for a moment or two, you'd understand that it's true. But you're not, so you won't -- you're not interested in "proof" and we both know this.
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Oakman wrote:
I always appreciate your answers, and enjoy your brilliant repartee!
the truth comes out!
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Christian Graus wrote:
How would you know. Can you prove it ? Or is it just something you tell yourself for fun ?
If you were willing to think for a moment or two, you'd understand that it's true. But you're not, so you won't -- you're not interested in "proof" and we both know this.
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You can't be serious. The crusades ? The Spanish Inquisition ( although this was more political and the Catholic Church was not behind or supportive of it especially ) ? That's just the biggies.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
You can't be serious. The crusades ? The Spanish Inquisition ( although this was more political and the Catholic Church was not behind or supportive of it especially ) ? That's just the biggies.
Once again you demonstrate that you will not think.
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Ilíon wrote:
you're not interested in "proof" and we both know this.
And that's how to get away with unsubstantiated statements. "Put up or shut up", would be an uncouth response.
Bob Emmett
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Oakman wrote:
Wow! I did not know that! :omg: So how much underestimating is going on? Got any citations to back up both of those claims?
If you were willing to think for a moment or two, you'd understand that it's true. But you're not, so you won't -- you're not interested in "any citations to back up both of those claims" and we both know this.
Ilíon wrote:
If you were willing to think for a moment or two, you'd understand that it's true.
Had you used the word 'inaccurate', rather than the more emotive 'bogus', a moment or two's thought about the difficulty of collecting, verifying, and collating figures in third world countries, contrasted with the same task in the USA, would probably led us to agree with you. But 'bogus' implies deliberate falsification, and a claim like that has to be substantiated.
Bob Emmett
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Bob Emmett wrote:
And that's how to get away with unsubstantiated statements. "Put up or shut up", would be an uncouth response.
Silly man, the world didn't start yesterday.
Ilíon wrote:
Silly man, the world didn't start yesterday.
I have no idea what that statement means in the current context. You have made a claim that the AIDS statistics in Africa and the USA are 'bogus'. You are asked to provide evidence, and you merely resort to insult. That is intellectual dishonesty.
Bob Emmett
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scottgp wrote:
It does look like something was lost in translation.
Yes, like maybe the essential part of the argument.