Mac is better than PC
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Looks like no one got the essence of the post. Imagine answering questions everyday for about an hour or so like this on phone to an average user.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Imagine answering questions everyday for about an hour or so like this on phone to an average user.
I can imagine that! I was in same condition when I got mac for someone I knew, and they kept ringing me for silly things. Well the best thing to do is, tell him/her to visit this page. http://www.apple.com/retail/workshops/[^]
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... so what my friend thought and bought his dad a Mac. What happened next? He has to spend everyday in technical support trying to explain things like "you can not maximize the window" and the website you always visit to breaks because the web developer did not test his code with Safari. ... and now he often wishes that he would not have bought a Mac for his dad.
Cmon dudes, don't you think this "mine is bigger than yours" argument that people have over operating systems all the time is getting old now? The windows users bemoan the fact that Apple hardware is "a waste of money", and the Apple users complain about all the hassle of maintaining windows. (and the linux guys just like giving stuff away for free cause theyre such nice people :D ) If you do a "real" comparison between Mac and PC's you'll see that the initial purchase of a Mac isnt expensive compared to a PC. Upgrading using Apple parts however, is. Dont believe me? Go check the prices of a laptop with 9400M Nvidia gfx, card, 2.0 Core 2 duo processor. Just a few bucks less than A white macbook. Hell, Windows alone is costing hundreds of dollars for the "full version" (Vista Ultimate) Funny enough, I actually bought a Mac today. OSX is great, but there are still one or two things I miss about Windows. Havent used XCode yet, but Visual Studio is a great set of tools, regardless. Bottom line - dont buy a Mac just cause you think it will magically fix all your Windows problems.
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Cmon dudes, don't you think this "mine is bigger than yours" argument that people have over operating systems all the time is getting old now? The windows users bemoan the fact that Apple hardware is "a waste of money", and the Apple users complain about all the hassle of maintaining windows. (and the linux guys just like giving stuff away for free cause theyre such nice people :D ) If you do a "real" comparison between Mac and PC's you'll see that the initial purchase of a Mac isnt expensive compared to a PC. Upgrading using Apple parts however, is. Dont believe me? Go check the prices of a laptop with 9400M Nvidia gfx, card, 2.0 Core 2 duo processor. Just a few bucks less than A white macbook. Hell, Windows alone is costing hundreds of dollars for the "full version" (Vista Ultimate) Funny enough, I actually bought a Mac today. OSX is great, but there are still one or two things I miss about Windows. Havent used XCode yet, but Visual Studio is a great set of tools, regardless. Bottom line - dont buy a Mac just cause you think it will magically fix all your Windows problems.
What exactly in my post made you think that it was an argument about OSes? I can't believe so many people actually missed the main point.
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... so what my friend thought and bought his dad a Mac. What happened next? He has to spend everyday in technical support trying to explain things like "you can not maximize the window" and the website you always visit to breaks because the web developer did not test his code with Safari. ... and now he often wishes that he would not have bought a Mac for his dad.
Windows is a *****... cmon guys!! Is just to hit the green button with the "+" icon... ridiculous! Mac is miles in front of windows system... i develop many years in windows, after buy a mac i think all those years that i lost time updating antivirus and trying to make him safe...mac is much stable than windows and is another kind of computer... you are comparing a beatle with a ferrari :P Best Regards from brazil
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Windows is a *****... cmon guys!! Is just to hit the green button with the "+" icon... ridiculous! Mac is miles in front of windows system... i develop many years in windows, after buy a mac i think all those years that i lost time updating antivirus and trying to make him safe...mac is much stable than windows and is another kind of computer... you are comparing a beatle with a ferrari :P Best Regards from brazil
Amazing how this thread got so far off topic... but I figure I should step in here. You hit the + and it maximizes to _most_ of the screen... great... *Ahem* http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2941[^]
Why Safari? Why didn’t you go after IE or Safari? It’s really simple. Safari on the Mac is easier to exploit. The things that Windows do to make it harder (for an exploit to work), Macs don’t do. Hacking into Macs is so much easier. You don’t have to jump through hoops and deal with all the anti-exploit mitigations you’d find in Windows. It’s more about the operating system than the (target) program. Firefox on Mac is pretty easy too. The underlying OS doesn’t have anti-exploit stuff built into it.
Calling Windows a Beetle means that it is more reliable and uses less resources. Yay!
We get a hundred miles to the gallon, if the fan belt breaks we use a rubber band!
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For the cost of the apple tax you could get your case painted any color you want by pros. It was $2-300ish online, but I suspect even if rattle cans were beyond you, your local body shop could do the job for less.
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Windows is a *****... cmon guys!! Is just to hit the green button with the "+" icon... ridiculous! Mac is miles in front of windows system... i develop many years in windows, after buy a mac i think all those years that i lost time updating antivirus and trying to make him safe...mac is much stable than windows and is another kind of computer... you are comparing a beatle with a ferrari :P Best Regards from brazil
malpeli wrote:
Windows is a *****... cmon guys!! Is just to hit the green button with the "+" icon... ridiculous! Mac is miles in front of windows system... i develop many years in windows, after buy a mac i think all those years that i lost time updating antivirus and trying to make him safe...mac is much stable than windows and is another kind of computer... you are comparing a beatle with a ferrari :P
I second that! I'm on a mac and I use vmware to run windows on but the only reason to that is to run Visual Studio which is no doubt one of the best (if not the best) dev tool(s).. Regarding the green maximize button, if you are that retarded that you can't learn to live with that you can download this http://www.blazingtools.com/downloads.html#RightZoom[^] Mac simply owns windows.. not to mention Windows f*cking Registry and app installations! geez! the Mac way: Download app --> move to Applications folder --> Done The windows way: Download app --> Run Setup File --> // Vista: Click "Allow" on like two security pop-ups // --> Click like 10 "Next" buttons --> Wait a long time depending on how big program --> Click Finish --> Done
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malpeli wrote:
Windows is a *****... cmon guys!! Is just to hit the green button with the "+" icon... ridiculous! Mac is miles in front of windows system... i develop many years in windows, after buy a mac i think all those years that i lost time updating antivirus and trying to make him safe...mac is much stable than windows and is another kind of computer... you are comparing a beatle with a ferrari :P
I second that! I'm on a mac and I use vmware to run windows on but the only reason to that is to run Visual Studio which is no doubt one of the best (if not the best) dev tool(s).. Regarding the green maximize button, if you are that retarded that you can't learn to live with that you can download this http://www.blazingtools.com/downloads.html#RightZoom[^] Mac simply owns windows.. not to mention Windows f*cking Registry and app installations! geez! the Mac way: Download app --> move to Applications folder --> Done The windows way: Download app --> Run Setup File --> // Vista: Click "Allow" on like two security pop-ups // --> Click like 10 "Next" buttons --> Wait a long time depending on how big program --> Click Finish --> Done
Hey csharp3r, You should try TextMate (only on mac), im using to dev in several languages and its really a tool from hell... im very very satisfied with textmate. And i (dont understain why) am very much productive in that notepad from the inferno than in VS (that i use before) :) Netbeans and Eclipse, for mac, is cool too if you like IDE. Best regards! Malpeli Im using Parallels here too. Because of Silverlight tools... its revolting MS dont make Expression to Mac... but ..........
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
you can not maximize the window"
Who said that? If you've noticed there's a Green Round Button on top left of each window, and even if that doesn't help you you can always resize it by dragging bottom right of window.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
the website you always visit to breaks because the web developer did not test his code with Safari.
Ever heard about Firefox? And it won't take anything more than one drag to install it (of course after downloading .dmg). Millions of others around world still prefer Firefox instead of IE as well... Personally I would say just install Firefox and it'd work like charm.
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p.a.r.t.h wrote:
even if that doesn't help you you can always resize it by dragging bottom right of window.
Is that still the only way of resizing a window? When I first encountered that back in 1994-5 (since when I've not used a Mac) I thought it was one feature that sucked. But I thought I'd heard that resizing was possible from all sides now?
Kevin
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Hey csharp3r, You should try TextMate (only on mac), im using to dev in several languages and its really a tool from hell... im very very satisfied with textmate. And i (dont understain why) am very much productive in that notepad from the inferno than in VS (that i use before) :) Netbeans and Eclipse, for mac, is cool too if you like IDE. Best regards! Malpeli Im using Parallels here too. Because of Silverlight tools... its revolting MS dont make Expression to Mac... but ..........
Ok I will take a look on TextMate then.. I have Netbeans too but the problem is that I'm a .Net (C#) (including Silverlight) programmer so I won't leave VS completely... and I still think that VS is a lot better than Netbeans but... anyway.. I'm going to learn Cocoa in XCode, cause that seems to be a awesome tool too... So on the top of the "To-learn" list is Cocoa and C++ so I can program apps for both mac, windows and linux :) And as you said, it would be nice if they could make the expression series for mac, especially Blend :) btw, I thought eclipse was windows only... but I will try it on the the mac now
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Hey csharp3r, You should try TextMate (only on mac), im using to dev in several languages and its really a tool from hell... im very very satisfied with textmate. And i (dont understain why) am very much productive in that notepad from the inferno than in VS (that i use before) :) Netbeans and Eclipse, for mac, is cool too if you like IDE. Best regards! Malpeli Im using Parallels here too. Because of Silverlight tools... its revolting MS dont make Expression to Mac... but ..........
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... so what my friend thought and bought his dad a Mac. What happened next? He has to spend everyday in technical support trying to explain things like "you can not maximize the window" and the website you always visit to breaks because the web developer did not test his code with Safari. ... and now he often wishes that he would not have bought a Mac for his dad.
So there are two things he doesn't understand and that means the Mac is junk? None of these arguments has any validity. The PC is great for some things, the Mac is great for some things - sometimes both are great for the same things. If you can't find how to do something (like maximize a window) try the help, or look it up on google. At the end of the day the best system is the one you feel comfortable using, regardless of what anyone else thinks. :sigh:
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So there are two things he doesn't understand and that means the Mac is junk? None of these arguments has any validity. The PC is great for some things, the Mac is great for some things - sometimes both are great for the same things. If you can't find how to do something (like maximize a window) try the help, or look it up on google. At the end of the day the best system is the one you feel comfortable using, regardless of what anyone else thinks. :sigh:
For some reasons it seems that most people had problem understanding the moral of the story. The point of my post was that what is obvious to you or what you think is better may not be better for someone else. In this case my friend who is fairly technical decided to force Mac on his dad who was not very technical assuming that he will enjoy it. But it did not happen to be the case as he has to spend lot of time providing tech support with his dad. What is obvious to you things like Googling to find the answer may not be obvious to many users.
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p.a.r.t.h wrote:
even if that doesn't help you you can always resize it by dragging bottom right of window.
Is that still the only way of resizing a window? When I first encountered that back in 1994-5 (since when I've not used a Mac) I thought it was one feature that sucked. But I thought I'd heard that resizing was possible from all sides now?
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Is that still the only way of resizing a window? When I first encountered that back in 1994-5 (since when I've not used a Mac) I thought it was one feature that sucked. But I thought I'd heard that resizing was possible from all sides now?
Ya, as far as I know, the Mac OS has always handled window resizing only through one corner. It actually starts to make sense after a while, when you look at the user interface differences between Mac OS and Windows. MS Windows' windows have always have this 'border' or 'frame' around the entire window, it's thin, but it's almost always there. Mac apps (especially newer ones) are usually flush to the edge of the window and have nothing between it and the rest of your screen.
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For some reasons it seems that most people had problem understanding the moral of the story. The point of my post was that what is obvious to you or what you think is better may not be better for someone else. In this case my friend who is fairly technical decided to force Mac on his dad who was not very technical assuming that he will enjoy it. But it did not happen to be the case as he has to spend lot of time providing tech support with his dad. What is obvious to you things like Googling to find the answer may not be obvious to many users.
Rama, Here's what you said originally: ... so what my friend thought and bought his dad a Mac. What happened next? He has to spend everyday in technical support trying to explain things like "you can not maximize the window" and the website you always visit to breaks because the web developer did not test his code with Safari. ... and now he often wishes that he would not have bought a Mac for his dad. If your friend is technically skilled why does he have to keep calling tech support to solve simple problems like how to maximize a window? As I said anyone with some basic technical know how could read the help or use google. Obviously your friend's skills are in need of updating. I stand by my previous comment, stop arguing about which product is "better" and buy the one that you find reasonably easy to use and understand. Richard.
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Is that still the only way of resizing a window? When I first encountered that back in 1994-5 (since when I've not used a Mac) I thought it was one feature that sucked. But I thought I'd heard that resizing was possible from all sides now?
Ya, as far as I know, the Mac OS has always handled window resizing only through one corner. It actually starts to make sense after a while, when you look at the user interface differences between Mac OS and Windows. MS Windows' windows have always have this 'border' or 'frame' around the entire window, it's thin, but it's almost always there. Mac apps (especially newer ones) are usually flush to the edge of the window and have nothing between it and the rest of your screen.
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I don't know how I would feel if I was using MacOS X today but back then I found it a major usability limitation.
Kevin
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For some reasons it seems that most people had problem understanding the moral of the story. The point of my post was that what is obvious to you or what you think is better may not be better for someone else. In this case my friend who is fairly technical decided to force Mac on his dad who was not very technical assuming that he will enjoy it. But it did not happen to be the case as he has to spend lot of time providing tech support with his dad. What is obvious to you things like Googling to find the answer may not be obvious to many users.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
what you think is better may not be better for someone else
We all tend to suffer from this fault, especially techies. Hence all the religious wars. We can never understand why others don't like the same things we do or are not more productive with the tools we use.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
What is obvious to you things like Googling to find the answer may not be obvious to many users.
Indeed. It's quite common for non-technical users to just phone you to ask about something rather than Googling.
Kevin
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Rama, Here's what you said originally: ... so what my friend thought and bought his dad a Mac. What happened next? He has to spend everyday in technical support trying to explain things like "you can not maximize the window" and the website you always visit to breaks because the web developer did not test his code with Safari. ... and now he often wishes that he would not have bought a Mac for his dad. If your friend is technically skilled why does he have to keep calling tech support to solve simple problems like how to maximize a window? As I said anyone with some basic technical know how could read the help or use google. Obviously your friend's skills are in need of updating. I stand by my previous comment, stop arguing about which product is "better" and buy the one that you find reasonably easy to use and understand. Richard.
My friend is "the Tech Support guy" for his dad. He does not call any other tech support.