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I have been doing the desktop applications development in different languages since the start of my career. Now I want to learn and do Web development. What would be the best start. Please suggest...
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I have been doing the desktop applications development in different languages since the start of my career. Now I want to learn and do Web development. What would be the best start. Please suggest...
http://www.asp.net[^] is good resource for starting out.
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I have been doing the desktop applications development in different languages since the start of my career. Now I want to learn and do Web development. What would be the best start. Please suggest...
For me it's to find a web site I want to develop and then start to put something together using the language I want to develop. So you need to decided do you want to do ASP.net, PHP, Java, Cold Fusion, Python, Flash etc...
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I have been doing the desktop applications development in different languages since the start of my career. Now I want to learn and do Web development. What would be the best start. Please suggest...
I would start with HTML and css. It looks so simple but best website developers I've seen so far know very well how to use HTML and css before anything else. They also know rendering basics(How things are drawn in a browser), server side vs. client side and corresponding technologies(like Java script). For dynamic stuff then you'll need to choose a technology first and I believe one of the most important things to learn is stateless development concept. I took a look at web site development last year. If you decided to use .net, I think a very good book to get you started quickly is "ASP .NET 2 0 Website Programming Problem Design Solution". There might be a new version that uses .Net3. Good luck.
"In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
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http://www.asp.net[^] is good resource for starting out.
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I'm working on the assumption that the OP wants to be employed doing web development, rather than just a hobby. Doing a quick check on www.jobserve.com, there are currently ~450 jobs that mention php vs ~850 that mention asp.net. Whether or not you like asp.net, the fact is that it's a mainstream product, it's not going away, it is (generally) improving and there are (apparently) more jobs for it that for other web technologies.
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You are, as so many do, confusing, in ignorance, the Web Forms technology suite with the whole ASP.NET platform.
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I'm working on the assumption that the OP wants to be employed doing web development, rather than just a hobby. Doing a quick check on www.jobserve.com, there are currently ~450 jobs that mention php vs ~850 that mention asp.net. Whether or not you like asp.net, the fact is that it's a mainstream product, it's not going away, it is (generally) improving and there are (apparently) more jobs for it that for other web technologies.
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moon_stick wrote:
rather than just a hobby.
I wasn't aware that .NET was the single professional web development environment around. :doh:
moon_stick wrote:
I'm not sure how relevant www.jobserve.com is. I speak from my personal experience, I've been asked for much more PHP developers lately, than ASP.NET ones.
moon_stick wrote:
Whether or not you like asp.net, the fact is that it's a mainstream product
Since when does being mainstream mean being good? Tell me, how much do you (or any other solely .NET developer) understands what happens in the background? Have you, ever, tried working with something else? The only thing .NET is good at is abstraction, and abstraction isn't always a good thing.
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
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You are, as so many do, confusing, in ignorance, the Web Forms technology suite with the whole ASP.NET platform.
Believe me, ignorance is not the issue here. I have quite an extensive experience in everything that is .NET, and with each project I dislike it more and more... WebForms, since you mentioned, is one of the worst aspects of ASP.NET... as I noticed, in this we agree :)
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
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moon_stick wrote:
rather than just a hobby.
I wasn't aware that .NET was the single professional web development environment around. :doh:
moon_stick wrote:
I'm not sure how relevant www.jobserve.com is. I speak from my personal experience, I've been asked for much more PHP developers lately, than ASP.NET ones.
moon_stick wrote:
Whether or not you like asp.net, the fact is that it's a mainstream product
Since when does being mainstream mean being good? Tell me, how much do you (or any other solely .NET developer) understands what happens in the background? Have you, ever, tried working with something else? The only thing .NET is good at is abstraction, and abstraction isn't always a good thing.
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
rastaVnuce wrote:
moon_stick wrote: rather than just a hobby. I wasn't aware that .NET was the single professional web development environment around. D'Oh!
You implied something that I didn't say. I'll put it down as a mistake on your behalf this time! ;)
rastaVnuce wrote:
moon_stick wrote: www.jobserve.com I'm not sure how relevant www.jobserve.com is. I speak from my personal experience, I've been asked for much more PHP developers lately, than ASP.NET ones.
My current client uses almost exclusively MS products so in my personal experience, no one wants anything but asp.net developers for web development!! I've had a few contracts off Jobserve in the past and I know they're highly recommended in the UK - I used them to try and get an independent point of view.
rastaVnuce wrote:
moon_stick wrote: Whether or not you like asp.net, the fact is that it's a mainstream product Since when does being mainstream mean being good? Tell me, how much do you (or any other solely .NET developer) understands what happens in the background? Have you, ever, tried working with something else? The only thing .NET is good at is abstraction, and abstraction isn't always a good thing.
When it comes to employment, mainstream generally wins the day. Yes there are still COBOL programmers who can demand good rates, but the jobs are few and far between. If you want to choose a less used technology, go for it. 5 or 10 years down the line, chances are there's still going to be more jobs for asp.net (or whatever it's turned into by that point). Who said I was solely a .NET developer? I actually like to think I've got a pretty good understanding of the background workings of asp.net but I doubt that's common across the board. By the same token, I believe that one of the strengths of asp.net (and to an extent, .NET languages in general) is that you don't need to have a deep internal knowledge of the underlying system to be able to produce good applications.
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You got me there. :) The only time I've used Java for anything is when I was experimenting with Android. I avoid Java as much as I can. I like my resources, and I don't like spending them when I don't have to :)
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
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I have been doing the desktop applications development in different languages since the start of my career. Now I want to learn and do Web development. What would be the best start. Please suggest...
http://www.php.net/[^] Just Kidding. On a linux site (or 5 years ago where the web was mostly apache under linux) I would recommend this though.
John
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You got me there. :) The only time I've used Java for anything is when I was experimenting with Android. I avoid Java as much as I can. I like my resources, and I don't like spending them when I don't have to :)
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
Nemanja is right as usual. You need to try J2EE + Struts + Hibernate. This could bring you extremely suicidal thoughts.
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For me it's to find a web site I want to develop and then start to put something together using the language I want to develop. So you need to decided do you want to do ASP.net, PHP, Java, Cold Fusion, Python, Flash etc...
Cold Fusion please! ;) I've been using it for 13 years and it has treated me well! Yeah most people hate CF but there are some really big systems built with it. So I'm guessing as the CF programming community shrinks the need for good CF programmers will rise and I will make a killing. And long before it has totally died I will retire! :-D
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I have been doing the desktop applications development in different languages since the start of my career. Now I want to learn and do Web development. What would be the best start. Please suggest...
Hurray! More desktop app development for the rest of us who still love it!
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