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[EyeYamFedUp]

Scary isn't it? And you wouldn't believe how many programs he's written like this. Your jaws would probably hit the ground at some of the stuff he does. And the really sad part. He's been controlling what and how things are done in the server world for years. And even sadder yet, the applications are terribly slow. One example is an application that takes 5 minutes to save a record. 5 minutes. I saw that and was beside myself.

[Thomas Weller 0]

Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

He used comments didn't he?

Indeed! Even the polished version ('*). :-D Regards Thomas

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[akyriako78]

5 minutes !!!! No Comments. :omg:

[BadKarma]

Thomas Weller wrote:

He has no idea of OO programming, maybe he thinks VB5/6 IS OO

Blasphemy ... OK maybe you're right about VB5. But surely VB6 is a OO programming language.

Learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself.

[Tristan Rhodes]

Looks like the kind of code my last boss would write.... bizzarely enough he seemed to recite "Keep it Simple Stupid" and "Structured Coding Practices" and swore by Code Complete.... like using them as some kind of protective mantra would do any good for the abomination created. After opening his core business app to find most web pages with 750 line page load functions, dozens of nested conditions (Loop / If / Case anyone?) and all the variables declared at the page leve, which served up a range of pages based on seemingly arbitrary values... i asked for help. "It's in the code, read it." I did take away some fantastic coding advice: * Only one return per function (no short circuit conditions), leading to horrendous nesting. * Don't use Data Access layers, they're a waste of time, just use inline SQL and bind to a DataReader. * Don't create lots of objects, it's slow. * Don't break things into sub functions, it's harder to read and slower. * Don't use constants, it's hard to read the literal representation. * Don't use Serialization (Xml or otherwise - My understanding of serialization is object state persistence so I'm not sure how to persist without it). * Don't use wrappers, ever, as you will just end up with wrappers in wrappers. * Don't use Inheritance, it's complicated. * Don't use Interfaces, they're unescessary. * Don't make custom controls * Don't use design patterns, they just complicate things. * Don't use code generators, they generate slow / too much code. * Don't bother with resources until we need to globalize the app. * Don't make unit tests, waste of time, we can just user test it. Now, without any of the above application structures, and the functional requirement to add Multi Language support, change the database schema (slighltly), and add cross site functionality to each page.... Needless to say, the code debt was massive, and maintenance was a time sync of code + fix with no coherent strategy. Did i mention he was the CTO? :-D Regards

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[Pete OHanlon]

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Only one return per function (no short circuit conditions), leading to horrendous nesting.

Not bad advice - just keep your functions short or you're in trouble.

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't use Data Access layers, they're a waste of time, just use inline SQL and bind to a DataReader.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't create lots of objects, it's slow.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't break things into sub functions, it's harder to read and slower.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't use constants, it's hard to read the literal representation.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't use wrappers, ever, as you will just end up with wrappers in wrappers.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't use Inheritance, it's complicated.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't use Interfaces, they're unescessary.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't use Serialization (Xml or otherwise - My understanding of serialization is object state persistence so I'm not sure how to persist without it).

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't make custom controls

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't use design patterns, they just complicate things.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't use code generators, they generate slow / too much code.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't bother with resources until we need to globalize the app.

COBOL

Tristan Rhodes wrote:

* Don't make unit tests, waste of time, we can just user test it.

COBOL

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[Thomas Weller 0]

BadKarma wrote:

But surely VB6 is a OO programming language.

Right. I forgot that VB6 has 'classes', so it must be OO... :-D Regards Thomas

www.thomas-weller.de Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.

[Nagy Vilmos]

Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

BOLOC

Fixed it!

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[Pete OHanlon]

Actually, I wrote COBOL so many times so somebody would pluralise the anagram.

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[Tristan Rhodes]

Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

Tristan Rhodes wrote: * Only one return per function (no short circuit conditions), leading to horrendous nesting. Not bad advice - just keep your functions short or you're in trouble.

I'd rather see this

MenuItemNode child = tvMenu.SelectedNode as MenuItemNode;

if (child == null)
return;

MenuItemNode parent = child.Parent as MenuItemNode;

if (parent == null)
return;

MenuItemNode swap = child.PrevNode as MenuItemNode;

if (swap == null)
return;

//Code Here

Than This

MenuItemNode child = tvMenu.SelectedNode as MenuItemNode;

if (child != null)
{
MenuItemNode parent = child.Parent as MenuItemNode;

  if (parent != null)
  {
        MenuItemNode swap = child.PrevNode as MenuItemNode;

        if (swap != null)
        {
              //Code Here
        }
  }

}

I just find the second option ugly, and it really isn't any easier to read.

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[jayart]

I think the same. But no one in my team thinks this way and they have managed to make this as a coding rule.

[Dan Neely]

Will they let you get away with stuffing all the nested initialization/validation crap into a separate method? eg something like this (I know it needs a bit more fiddling to compile):

bool IntializeAndvalidate (out MenuItemNode child, out MenuItemNode parent, MenuItemNode swap)
{
MenuItemNode child = tvMenu.SelectedNode as MenuItemNode;

  if (child != null)
  {
        MenuItemNode parent = child.Parent as MenuItemNode;

        if (parent != null)
        {
              MenuItemNode swap = child.PrevNode as MenuItemNode;

              return  (swap != null);
        }
  }

}

if (IntializeAndvalidate (child, parent, swap)
{
// do stuff
}

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[Luc Pattyn]

The official solution to avoid multiple returns is throwing exceptions all over the place, especially on input validation. :)

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[Dan Neely]

:rolleyes:

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[kfoster]

The 'one return per function' rule is a bit old school (early 90's :) ). IBM had it as a requirement when I was contracting there. It's not so much about style and readability as it is about introducing subtle bugs. If a maintenance programmer has to put some code in the function that has to take place before the function ends, he may place it right before the final 'return' near the end of the code block. And if he was working fast, or just working stupid he may not know of the other return points. Anyway, OOP guidelines of very short (7 +- 2) meaningful lines of code per method made this a moot point.

[Tristan Rhodes]

I've used that method before, but i was always told by my teacher to not use exceptions to control application flow, so it's something I'm reluctant to do unless I'm out of options. Still, if you want a short circuit validation routine with no input or output, guess that's the only way. What's the performance hit like for exceptions in ASP.Net? I thought exceptions were super bad at crippling servers?

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[Luc Pattyn]

Hi, there is no performance hit for testing and throwing exceptions; what is slow is catching exceptions, especially so for the first one caught inside Visual Studio. But then exceptions should be used to deal with exceptional circumstances only, which does *not* mean they should be used rarely. It would be a bad idea to use them like so:

int[] numbers=new int[100];
for (int i=0; ; i++) numbers[i]=i; // break with IndexOutOfRangeException

:)

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[Pete OHanlon]

You could always do this as:

if (child != null && child.Parent != null && child.PrevNode != null)
{
}

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[OriginalGriff]

I sort of agree, but rather than:

MenuItemNode child = tvMenu.SelectedNode as MenuItemNode;
if (child == null)
return;
MenuItemNode parent = child.Parent as MenuItemNode;
if (parent == null)
return;
MenuItemNode swap = child.PrevNode as MenuItemNode;
if (swap == null)
return;
//Code Here

I would prefer:

MenuItemNode child = tvMenu.SelectedNode as MenuItemNode;
if (child == null)
{
return;
}
MenuItemNode parent = child.Parent as MenuItemNode;
if (parent == null)
{
return;
}
MenuItemNode swap = child.PrevNode as MenuItemNode;
if (swap == null)
{
return;
}
//Code Here

Just to remind me if I add a statement before the return.